3D anayglyph in SPSS ?

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Hi,

Is there a possibility to produce 3d scattergrams with an anaglyph
character in SPSS 15 or 16 ?
There is an icon showing anaglyph glasses, but I have the impression
that it only allows to turn the 3D scattergram. I tried anaglyph glasses
with a three-dimensional scatter cloud image but to no avail.

TIA,
ftr

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[David Marso]

I suspect you are over thinking this and overestimating the cleverness of the SW designers at IBM/SPSS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaglyph_3D#Science_and_mathematics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Anaglyph_example_graph.png

FTR wrote

Hi,

Is there a possibility to produce 3d scattergrams with an anaglyph
character in SPSS 15 or 16 ?
There is an icon showing anaglyph glasses, but I have the impression
that it only allows to turn the 3D scattergram. I tried anaglyph glasses
with a three-dimensional scatter cloud image but to no avail.

TIA,
ftr

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[Art Kendall]

I leave it to others to figure out if GPL can offset two layers a little bit.

Are you aware of the free reader for .spv files?  People would be able to rotate the image.

What do you intend to do with anaglyph vizualization?
On 1/9/2013 6:15 AM, ftr wrote:

Hi,

Is there a possibility to produce 3d scattergrams with an anaglyph
character in SPSS 15 or 16 ?
There is an icon showing anaglyph glasses, but I have the impression
that it only allows to turn the 3D scattergram. I tried anaglyph glasses
with a three-dimensional scatter cloud image but to no avail.

TIA,
ftr

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David, this is a pity. I took the glasses in the icon for real :-( .

OK what I search is a way to show a 3D graph in a readable way. The
following image does not get me lines for all edges of the cube which
makes it difficult to read. I guess this should be possible but I don't
see how.

This is a graph created in SPSS 15.

Regards,
F. Thomas


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/494570/OUTPUT0.PNG

On 09/01/2013 15:48, David Marso wrote:

> I suspect you are over thinking this and overestimating the cleverness of the
> SW designers at IBM/SPSS.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaglyph_3D#Science_and_mathematics
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Anaglyph_example_graph.png
>
>
> FTR wrote
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is there a possibility to produce 3d scattergrams with an anaglyph
>> character in SPSS 15 or 16 ?
>> There is an icon showing anaglyph glasses, but I have the impression
>> that it only allows to turn the 3D scattergram. I tried anaglyph glasses
>> with a three-dimensional scatter cloud image but to no avail.
>>
>> TIA,
>> ftr
>>
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[Andy W]

You should be able to just post-hoc edit the chart to produce a background. Attached is an example of the default 3d chart produced with my custom chart template (within the output file also see the simple code used to generate).

Newer versions have a nicer interactive tool where you can on the fly rotate the cube and see the points, but IMO they are still tremendously difficult to visualize such "true" 3d data. The example output file I attached has a real big Necker cube problem going on, and I was unable to edit the wire-frame to really prevent that from happening.

The Necker cube problem is not as big a problem with 2.5d data, (i.e. surface plots), but they are certainly hard to interpret in 3d scatter plots.

3d_Cube.spo

[Art Kendall]

Where do you want to show the graph?  On a web page?  On Paper?
Projected from a PC to a screen? in an .spv file attached to an email?
On 1/11/2013 11:17 AM, ftr wrote:

David, this is a pity. I took the glasses in the icon for real :-( .

OK what I search is a way to show a 3D graph in a readable way. The
following image does not get me lines for all edges of the cube which
makes it difficult to read. I guess this should be possible but I don't
see how.

This is a graph created in SPSS 15.

Regards,
F. Thomas


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/494570/OUTPUT0.PNG

On 09/01/2013 15:48, David Marso wrote:

I suspect you are over thinking this and overestimating the cleverness of the
SW designers at IBM/SPSS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaglyph_3D#Science_and_mathematics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Anaglyph_example_graph.png


FTR wrote

Hi,

Is there a possibility to produce 3d scattergrams with an anaglyph
character in SPSS 15 or 16 ?
There is an icon showing anaglyph glasses, but I have the impression
that it only allows to turn the 3D scattergram. I tried anaglyph glasses
with a three-dimensional scatter cloud image but to no avail.

TIA,
ftr

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The graph is intended to be used by me only during the analysis, currently not to be shown elsewhere. I want to better see the relative position of the cases to each other and to the axes, with some 20 countries = cases. So the 3d scatterplot should help

F. Thomas


On 11/01/2013 20:49, Art Kendall wrote:

Where do you want to show the graph?  On a web page?  On Paper?
Projected from a PC to a screen? in an .spv file attached to an email?
On 1/11/2013 11:17 AM, ftr wrote:

David, this is a pity. I took the glasses in the icon for real :-( .

OK what I search is a way to show a 3D graph in a readable way. The
following image does not get me lines for all edges of the cube which
makes it difficult to read. I guess this should be possible but I don't
see how.

This is a graph created in SPSS 15.

Regards,
F. Thomas


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/494570/OUTPUT0.PNG

On 09/01/2013 15:48, David Marso wrote:

I suspect you are over thinking this and overestimating the cleverness of the
SW designers at IBM/SPSS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaglyph_3D#Science_and_mathematics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Anaglyph_example_graph.png


FTR wrote

Hi,

Is there a possibility to produce 3d scattergrams with an anaglyph
character in SPSS 15 or 16 ?
There is an icon showing anaglyph glasses, but I have the impression
that it only allows to turn the 3D scattergram. I tried anaglyph glasses
with a three-dimensional scatter cloud image but to no avail.

TIA,
ftr

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[Art Kendall]

It has been a few years since I used SPSS version 15 or 16. So my memory may not be correct.

Did you open the output file and actually get the image to move?

See if this helps

open a new instance of SPSS. Copy the syntax below into a syntax window. Run it.
switch to the output window.
double click on the graph.
<RIGHT CLICK> <3-D rotation>
Place youR cursor inside the graph.
wiggle your mouse around.

new file.
input program.
   loop country = 1 to 20.
      compute x = rnd(rv.normal(50,10)).
      COMPUTE y = RND(RV.UNIFORM(.5,9.5)).
      COMPUTE z = RND(RV.UNIFORM(.5,9.5)).
      compute a = RND(RV.UNIFORM(.5,2.5)).
      end case.
   end loop.
   end file.
end input program.
variable level x y z (scale) a(nominal).


GRAPH
  /SCATTERPLOT(XYZ)=x WITH y WITH z BY a BY country (IDENTIFY)
  /MISSING=LISTWISE.



On 1/11/2013 4:02 PM, ftr wrote:

The graph is intended to be used by me only during the analysis, currently not to be shown elsewhere. I want to better see the relative position of the cases to each other and to the axes, with some 20 countries = cases. So the 3d scatterplot should help

F. Thomas


On 11/01/2013 20:49, Art Kendall wrote:

Where do you want to show the graph?  On a web page?  On Paper?
Projected from a PC to a screen? in an .spv file attached to an email?
On 1/11/2013 11:17 AM, ftr wrote:

David, this is a pity. I took the glasses in the icon for real :-( .

OK what I search is a way to show a 3D graph in a readable way. The
following image does not get me lines for all edges of the cube which
makes it difficult to read. I guess this should be possible but I don't
see how.

This is a graph created in SPSS 15.

Regards,
F. Thomas


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/494570/OUTPUT0.PNG

On 09/01/2013 15:48, David Marso wrote:

I suspect you are over thinking this and overestimating the cleverness of the
SW designers at IBM/SPSS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaglyph_3D#Science_and_mathematics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Anaglyph_example_graph.png


FTR wrote

Hi,

Is there a possibility to produce 3d scattergrams with an anaglyph
character in SPSS 15 or 16 ?
There is an icon showing anaglyph glasses, but I have the impression
that it only allows to turn the 3D scattergram. I tried anaglyph glasses
with a three-dimensional scatter cloud image but to no avail.

TIA,
ftr

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