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Jon Peck
I have posted a blog item about the seven new Bayesian procedures in SPSS Statistics 25 here for those who are interested.

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Bates procedures

Kornbrot, Diana
Dear Jon

that is really helpful
have some additional potentially useful suggestions and would like opinion of SPSS community

GeneraliZed linear models provides BIC. 
So why not use it for Bayes FACTOR?
Run both with and without  the tested predictor and take the ratio (BIC with predictor)/(BICwithout predictor). 
this seems to me simple and direct. Where is the flaw?

Meanwhile, I note that GeneraliZed linear MIXED gives F-tests for predictor BUT GeneraliZed linear gives chi-square tests [Wald or likelihood]. Why is that?  completely mystified.
Both provide BIC, values close but not identical
best
Diana



On 18 Aug 2017, at 21:49, Jon Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:

I have posted a blog item about the seven new Bayesian procedures in SPSS Statistics 25 here for those who are interested.

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Re: Bates procedures

Rich Ulrich

I don't remember if I ever used BIC or AIC in anything published, so I'm not the best

possible reference here. But I don't see anybody's response.


There are two formulas for BIC - one for maximum likelihood solutions and the other

for ANOVA (least squares).  When the different criteria don't reduce to the same thing,

the solutions will be slightly different.  I'm not sure what you are looking at, but it is

certainly possible to compute BIC in both ways on one set of data.


As I understand it, and the Wiki page seems to support it, BICs are compared by their

difference, not the ratio. I think of it as approximating a 1 d.f. chi-squared.


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Rich Ulrich


From: SPSSX(r) Discussion <[hidden email]> on behalf of Kornbrot, Diana <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 12:16:24 PM
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Subject: Bates procedures
 
Dear Jon

that is really helpful
have some additional potentially useful suggestions and would like opinion of SPSS community

GeneraliZed linear models provides BIC. 
So why not use it for Bayes FACTOR?
Run both with and without  the tested predictor and take the ratio (BIC with predictor)/(BICwithout predictor). 
this seems to me simple and direct. Where is the flaw?

Meanwhile, I note that GeneraliZed linear MIXED gives F-tests for predictor BUT GeneraliZed linear gives chi-square tests [Wald or likelihood]. Why is that?  completely mystified.
Both provide BIC, values close but not identical
best
Diana



On 18 Aug 2017, at 21:49, Jon Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:

I have posted a blog item about the seven new Bayesian procedures in SPSS Statistics 25 here for those who are interested.

--
Jon K Peck
[hidden email]

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Work
University of Hertfordshire
College Lane, Hatfield, Hertfordshire AL10 9AB, UK
+44 (0) 170 728 4626
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http://dianakornbrot.wordpress.com/
 http://go.herts.ac.uk/Diana_Kornbrot
skype:  kornbrotme
Home
19 Elmhurst Avenue
London N2 0LT, UK
 +44 (0) 208 444 2081                                                   



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