Clementine and Python Integration

[Vito Palligas]

Hello All,

 

We are in the process of updating our Clementine installations from version 11 to version 12, and I heard that there are several improvements related to extending functionality. According to the brochure on the Web site there are references made to improved integration with custom and third party applications. I was under the impression that this improvement may involve further Python integration in Clementine similar to the plug in that was incorporated in SPSS 14, beyond the integration that Clementine already has with Python mainly for implementing loader programs in export database nodes. Nevertheless, I can't find any reference to further integration with Python in Clementine. The most I found was documentation on the Clementine Extension Framework which looks like an upgrade to CEMI. Can someone give me further information on these improvements?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Vito Palligas

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[Vito Palligas]

Hi,

Does anyone have documentation on this?

Thanks in advance,

Vito Palligas

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Vito Palligas
Enviado el: Sábado, 15 de Marzo de 2008 21:00
Para: '[hidden email]'
Asunto: Re: Clementine and Python Integration

Hi Albert,

Thanks for the response. If you saw this presentation recently, then it was probably Clementine 12. We're currently using Clementine 11 in our company and the integration this version has with Python is via the "Transform" node to run SPSS syntax from Clementine which means that Python code could be inserted in a stream in this version.

However, this integration requires an SPSS license. According to our local SPSS representative Clementine 12 should allow direct integration with Python without the need of an SPSS license, but they couldn't find any related documentation. If you could get a hold of documentation on this topic with details on this integration, I would really appreciate it.

Kind regards,

Vito Palligas

Vito Palligas

----- Original Message -----
From: Albert-jan Roskam <[hidden email]>
To: Vito Palligas
Sent: Sat Mar 15 07:10:13 2008
Subject: Re: Clementine and Python Integration

Hi Vito,

Our company will start using Clementine in (hopefully)
the near future. In an introductory presentation about
Clementine they mentioned that Python was fully
integrated with Clementine. I assume they were talking
about v11, but I am not entirely sure.

Best wishes,
Albert-Jan


--- Vito Palligas <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Hello All,
>
>
>
> We are in the process of updating our Clementine
> installations from version 11 to version 12, and I
> heard that there are several improvements related to
> extending functionality. According to the brochure
> on the Web site there are references made to
> improved integration with custom and third party
> applications. I was under the impression that this
> improvement may involve further Python integration
> in Clementine similar to the plug in that was
> incorporated in SPSS 14, beyond the integration that
> Clementine already has with Python mainly for
> implementing loader programs in export database
> nodes. Nevertheless, I can't find any reference to
> further integration with Python in Clementine. The
> most I found was documentation on the Clementine
> Extension Framework which looks like an upgrade to
> CEMI. Can someone give me further information on
> these improvements?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Vito Palligas
>
> Dirección de Marketing
>
> Telefónica Móviles de Chile
>
> Fijo: [phone]
>
> Móvil: [phone]
>
>
>
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[Vito Palligas]

Hi David,

Thanks for your response. In the process of updating our license to version 12 our local SPSS office sent me a PDF copy of the CLEF developer's guide to get up to speed in the meantime. After reviewing the document, CLEF definitely looks much more powerful than the previous CEMI integration API.

How does this new API integrate with Solutions Publisher? For example if I were to develop an extension with CLEF, upon exporting a stream with a custom node, would Solutions Publisher interpret it without any problems or are there special considerations to be taken?

Finally, returning to my original issue, it would be great if a future release of Clementine included full Python integration. I do quite a bit of scripting (mainly stream and supernode scripting) with parameters in Clementine to automate repetitive streams and I'm sure that full integration with Python would make Clem scripting much more powerful.

Regards,

Vito

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Pugh, David [mailto:[hidden email]]
Enviado el: Lunes, 17 de Marzo de 2008 12:18
Para: Vito Palligas
CC: Weeks, Kyle
Asunto: FW: Clementine and Python Integration

Hello Vito,

Good question. We have not extended our support for Python with Clementine 12. Although, if you have requirements in this area please let me know - I'm happy to consider addressing these for future releases.

What the brochure / website discuss is the new Clementine Extension Framework (CLEF). This is described in the Clementine documentation - see the file "ClementineCLEFReference.pdf" for further information.

The CLEF API is significantly more powerful than the original CEMI integration API. CLEF allows a customer / third party to add functionality into Clementine that behaves and performs just like native Clementine operations. In fact, we implemented most new Clementine functionality in Clementine 11 using CLEF - to test its performance. We're now making that API available outside of SPSS.

Happy to discuss any questions you may have.

Best regards,

Dave.

David Pugh
Director, Product Management
SPSS Inc.
Tel: [phone]
Mob: [phone]


-----Original Message-----
From: Vito Palligas [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: Clementine and Python Integration

Hello All,



We are in the process of updating our Clementine installations from version 11 to version 12, and I heard that there are several improvements related to extending functionality. According to the brochure on the Web site there are references made to improved integration with custom and third party applications. I was under the impression that this improvement may involve further Python integration in Clementine similar to the plug in that was incorporated in SPSS 14, beyond the integration that Clementine already has with Python mainly for implementing loader programs in export database nodes. Nevertheless, I can't find any reference to further integration with Python in Clementine. The most I found was documentation on the Clementine Extension Framework which looks like an upgrade to CEMI. Can someone give me further information on these improvements?



Thanks in advance,



Vito Palligas

Dirección de Marketing

Telefónica Móviles de Chile

Fijo: [phone]

Móvil: [phone]

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[Pugh, David]

Vito,

CLEF nodes are supported by Clementine Solution Publisher. The main thing to consider when doing this is the performance characteristics of the functionality that you've added - and to ensure that it does not negatively impact the scoring speed of Solution Publisher.

Your specific Python requirements are under consideration for a future release and I'm in the process of trying to understand the implications of doing such work. I'd like to discuss your requirements in more detail at some point - let me know when would be convenient.

Thanks,

Dave.



-----Original Message-----
From: Vito Palligas [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 17 March 2008 16:18
To: Pugh, David
Cc: Weeks, Kyle; [hidden email]
Subject: RE: Clementine and Python Integration

Hi David,

Thanks for your response. In the process of updating our license to version 12 our local SPSS office sent me a PDF copy of the CLEF developer's guide to get up to speed in the meantime. After reviewing the document, CLEF definitely looks much more powerful than the previous CEMI integration API.

How does this new API integrate with Solutions Publisher? For example if I were to develop an extension with CLEF, upon exporting a stream with a custom node, would Solutions Publisher interpret it without any problems or are there special considerations to be taken?

Finally, returning to my original issue, it would be great if a future release of Clementine included full Python integration. I do quite a bit of scripting (mainly stream and supernode scripting) with parameters in Clementine to automate repetitive streams and I'm sure that full integration with Python would make Clem scripting much more powerful.

Regards,

Vito

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Pugh, David [mailto:[hidden email]]
Enviado el: Lunes, 17 de Marzo de 2008 12:18
Para: Vito Palligas
CC: Weeks, Kyle
Asunto: FW: Clementine and Python Integration

Hello Vito,

Good question. We have not extended our support for Python with Clementine 12. Although, if you have requirements in this area please let me know - I'm happy to consider addressing these for future releases.

What the brochure / website discuss is the new Clementine Extension Framework (CLEF). This is described in the Clementine documentation - see the file "ClementineCLEFReference.pdf" for further information.

The CLEF API is significantly more powerful than the original CEMI integration API. CLEF allows a customer / third party to add functionality into Clementine that behaves and performs just like native Clementine operations. In fact, we implemented most new Clementine functionality in Clementine 11 using CLEF - to test its performance. We're now making that API available outside of SPSS.

Happy to discuss any questions you may have.

Best regards,

Dave.

David Pugh
Director, Product Management
SPSS Inc.
Tel: [phone]
Mob: [phone]


-----Original Message-----
From: Vito Palligas [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: Clementine and Python Integration

Hello All,



We are in the process of updating our Clementine installations from version 11 to version 12, and I heard that there are several improvements related to extending functionality. According to the brochure on the Web site there are references made to improved integration with custom and third party applications. I was under the impression that this improvement may involve further Python integration in Clementine similar to the plug in that was incorporated in SPSS 14, beyond the integration that Clementine already has with Python mainly for implementing loader programs in export database nodes. Nevertheless, I can't find any reference to further integration with Python in Clementine. The most I found was documentation on the Clementine Extension Framework which looks like an upgrade to CEMI. Can someone give me further information on these improvements?



Thanks in advance,



Vito Palligas

Dirección de Marketing

Telefónica Móviles de Chile

Fijo: [phone]

Móvil: [phone]

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[Vito Palligas]

David,

Sounds great! As to discussing requirements, to start off I'll work on a list of requirements and let you know when would be a good date so we can discuss this in more detail.

Regards,

Vito

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Pugh, David [mailto:[hidden email]]
Enviado el: Lunes, 17 de Marzo de 2008 13:30
Para: Vito Palligas
CC: Weeks, Kyle; [hidden email]
Asunto: RE: Clementine and Python Integration

Vito,

CLEF nodes are supported by Clementine Solution Publisher. The main thing to consider when doing this is the performance characteristics of the functionality that you've added - and to ensure that it does not negatively impact the scoring speed of Solution Publisher.

Your specific Python requirements are under consideration for a future release and I'm in the process of trying to understand the implications of doing such work. I'd like to discuss your requirements in more detail at some point - let me know when would be convenient.

Thanks,

Dave.



-----Original Message-----
From: Vito Palligas [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 17 March 2008 16:18
To: Pugh, David
Cc: Weeks, Kyle; [hidden email]
Subject: RE: Clementine and Python Integration

Hi David,

Thanks for your response. In the process of updating our license to version 12 our local SPSS office sent me a PDF copy of the CLEF developer's guide to get up to speed in the meantime. After reviewing the document, CLEF definitely looks much more powerful than the previous CEMI integration API.

How does this new API integrate with Solutions Publisher? For example if I were to develop an extension with CLEF, upon exporting a stream with a custom node, would Solutions Publisher interpret it without any problems or are there special considerations to be taken?

Finally, returning to my original issue, it would be great if a future release of Clementine included full Python integration. I do quite a bit of scripting (mainly stream and supernode scripting) with parameters in Clementine to automate repetitive streams and I'm sure that full integration with Python would make Clem scripting much more powerful.

Regards,

Vito

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Pugh, David [mailto:[hidden email]]
Enviado el: Lunes, 17 de Marzo de 2008 12:18
Para: Vito Palligas
CC: Weeks, Kyle
Asunto: FW: Clementine and Python Integration

Hello Vito,

Good question. We have not extended our support for Python with Clementine 12. Although, if you have requirements in this area please let me know - I'm happy to consider addressing these for future releases.

What the brochure / website discuss is the new Clementine Extension Framework (CLEF). This is described in the Clementine documentation - see the file "ClementineCLEFReference.pdf" for further information.

The CLEF API is significantly more powerful than the original CEMI integration API. CLEF allows a customer / third party to add functionality into Clementine that behaves and performs just like native Clementine operations. In fact, we implemented most new Clementine functionality in Clementine 11 using CLEF - to test its performance. We're now making that API available outside of SPSS.

Happy to discuss any questions you may have.

Best regards,

Dave.

David Pugh
Director, Product Management
SPSS Inc.
Tel: [phone]
Mob: [phone]


-----Original Message-----
From: Vito Palligas [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: Clementine and Python Integration

Hello All,



We are in the process of updating our Clementine installations from version 11 to version 12, and I heard that there are several improvements related to extending functionality. According to the brochure on the Web site there are references made to improved integration with custom and third party applications. I was under the impression that this improvement may involve further Python integration in Clementine similar to the plug in that was incorporated in SPSS 14, beyond the integration that Clementine already has with Python mainly for implementing loader programs in export database nodes. Nevertheless, I can't find any reference to further integration with Python in Clementine. The most I found was documentation on the Clementine Extension Framework which looks like an upgrade to CEMI. Can someone give me further information on these improvements?



Thanks in advance,



Vito Palligas

Dirección de Marketing

Telefónica Móviles de Chile

Fijo: [phone]

Móvil: [phone]

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