HLM with SPSS .sav data set

[David Greenberg]

I am trying to use an SPSS version 15 data set in version 6.02 of HLM to conduct a two-level analysis. I have no trouble choosing variables for the level-1 and level-2 files, and I specify "measures within persons" for the type of nesting. Following the instructions I enter a name for the MDM file, and save the mdmt file. There are no missing data. When I check stats, everything looks fine. However, when I press the Make MDM button, I receive a message saying "invalid dictionary subtape in SPSS levele-file. Filename is an empty file." All my variables are specified in SPSS as numeric, except for the ID which is a string variable (categorical). I have no difficulty running the HSB chapter 2 example, which employs similar coding. Might anyone be able to tell me what is wrong and what I should do about it?
  - David Greenberg, Sociology Department, New York University

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[Justin Meyer-3]

You may want to try your question on the multilevel list, here:
http://www.nursing.manchester.ac.uk/learning/staff/mcampbell/multilevel.
html. Sorry I can't be of more help.

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Justin Meyer

Rowland Reading Foundation

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-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
David Greenberg
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:16 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: HLM with SPSS .sav data set

I am trying to use an SPSS version 15 data set in version 6.02 of HLM to
conduct a two-level analysis. I have no trouble choosing variables for
the level-1 and level-2 files, and I specify "measures within persons"
for the type of nesting. Following the instructions I enter a name for
the MDM file, and save the mdmt file. There are no missing data. When I
check stats, everything looks fine. However, when I press the Make MDM
button, I receive a message saying "invalid dictionary subtape in SPSS
levele-file. Filename is an empty file." All my variables are specified
in SPSS as numeric, except for the ID which is a string variable
(categorical). I have no difficulty running the HSB chapter 2 example,
which employs similar coding. Might anyone be able to tell me what is
wrong and what I should do about it?
  - David Greenberg, Sociology Department, New York University

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[Justin Meyer-3]

Thanks for pointing out that the link is broken. I got it from the HLM 6
website (where it does work), so I don't know what the problem is. Try
this link instead: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/multilevel.html. If
this link doesn't work, google "hlm listserv" and select the second link
that comes up. Sorry about the error.


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Justin Meyer

Rowland Reading Foundation

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-----Original Message-----
From: Neda Faregh [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 8:26 AM
To: Justin Meyer
Subject: RE: HLM with SPSS .sav data set

Hi Justin. I am interested in this list but is this the right website?

-----Original Message-----
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Justin Meyer
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 9:07 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: HLM with SPSS .sav data set

You may want to try your question on the multilevel list, here:
http://www.nursing.manchester.ac.uk/learning/staff/mcampbell/multilevel.
html. Sorry I can't be of more help.

____________________________________

Justin Meyer

Rowland Reading Foundation

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____________________________________

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
David Greenberg
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:16 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: HLM with SPSS .sav data set

I am trying to use an SPSS version 15 data set in version 6.02 of HLM to
conduct a two-level analysis. I have no trouble choosing variables for
the level-1 and level-2 files, and I specify "measures within persons"
for the type of nesting. Following the instructions I enter a name for
the MDM file, and save the mdmt file. There are no missing data. When I
check stats, everything looks fine. However, when I press the Make MDM
button, I receive a message saying "invalid dictionary subtape in SPSS
levele-file. Filename is an empty file." All my variables are specified
in SPSS as numeric, except for the ID which is a string variable
(categorical). I have no difficulty running the HSB chapter 2 example,
which employs similar coding. Might anyone be able to tell me what is
wrong and what I should do about it?
  - David Greenberg, Sociology Department, New York University

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[peter link]

Hi David -

Just some speculation - maybe there is some compatibility issues with SPSS15
and HLM6.02.  There is an updated version of HLM - version 6.06.  I would
update that first and try again.

Also, there is a Multilevel Listserv that may be helpful in solving this
problem.

I am running SPSS11.5, but if you can't figure this out, you can send me the
file and I can try it out (if I am able to run v15 files on v11.5 - which I
am not sure of?).

Peter Link
VA San Diego Healthcare System

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of
David Greenberg
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 6:16 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: HLM with SPSS .sav data set


I am trying to use an SPSS version 15 data set in version 6.02 of HLM to
conduct a two-level analysis. I have no trouble choosing variables for the
level-1 and level-2 files, and I specify "measures within persons" for the
type of nesting. Following the instructions I enter a name for the MDM file,
and save the mdmt file. There are no missing data. When I check stats,
everything looks fine. However, when I press the Make MDM button, I receive
a message saying "invalid dictionary subtape in SPSS levele-file. Filename
is an empty file." All my variables are specified in SPSS as numeric, except
for the ID which is a string variable (categorical). I have no difficulty
running the HSB chapter 2 example, which employs similar coding. Might
anyone be able to tell me what is wrong and what I should do about it?
  - David Greenberg, Sociology Department, New York University

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[lts1]

I answered this last Friday, but for some reason my cc to the listserv
bounced. Here's what I said:

Hi David,

This is a recognized bug in v6. You can download a patch that fixes it, or
you can get around the problem by saving your SPSS file in some other format
& having HLM read the other file. Good luck.

    Best,
         Lisa

>I am trying to use an SPSS version 15 data set in version 6.02 of HLM to
>conduct a two-level analysis. I have no trouble choosing variables for the
>level-1 and level-2 files, and I specify "measures within persons" for the
>type of nesting. Following the instructions I enter a name for the MDM
>file, and save the mdmt file. There are no missing data. When I check
>stats, everything looks fine. However, when I press the Make MDM button, I
>receive a message saying "invalid dictionary subtape in SPSS levele-file.
>Filename is an empty file." All my variables are specified in SPSS as
>numeric, except for the ID which is a string variable (categorical). I have
>no difficulty running the HSB chapter 2 example, which employs similar
>coding. Might anyone be able to tell me what is wrong and what I should do
>about it?
>  - David Greenberg, Sociology Department, New York University
>

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[Roberts, Michael]

Hi all,

In previous versions I was able to delete a column of data by clicking
on the variablename in data view or variable view.  In ver. 17.0, I can
do this intermittently.  I noticed that if I did have a problem deleting
a column, I would be able to do this after shutting down and restarting
the program.

Has anyone else experienced this issue, and if so how can I fix it?

TIA

Mike

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[mpirritano]

I have found, since 16, that occasionally I cannot delete a column, or
if in variable view a variable, just by hitting the delete key. However,
if the delete key is not working then right clicking and selecting
'clear' always works. This is also the case in 17.

Matthew Pirritano, Ph.D.
Research Analyst IV
Medical Services Initiative (MSI)
Orange County Health Care Agency
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-----Original Message-----
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Roberts, Michael
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:30 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns

Hi all,

In previous versions I was able to delete a column of data by clicking
on the variablename in data view or variable view.  In ver. 17.0, I can
do this intermittently.  I noticed that if I did have a problem deleting
a column, I would be able to do this after shutting down and restarting
the program.

Has anyone else experienced this issue, and if so how can I fix it?

TIA

Mike

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[DataMaestro]

 
I have had similar problems in older versions when using the data view editor.
 
Setting Cache Now first always resolves it.
 
Good luck
 
George

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From: Roberts, Michael <[hidden email]>
Subject: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 3:29 PM

Hi all,

In previous versions I was able to delete a column of data by clicking
on the variablename in data view or variable view.  In ver. 17.0, I can
do this intermittently.  I noticed that if I did have a problem deleting
a column, I would be able to do this after shutting down and restarting
the program.

Has anyone else experienced this issue, and if so how can I fix it?

TIA

Mike

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[Francien Berndsen]

Or use syntax. I know, it's not a fix, but it's so easy to remove variables
with the DELETE VARIABLES command.

Francien

> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] Namens George
> Musick
> Verzonden: vrijdag 31 oktober 2008 21:02
> Aan: [hidden email]
> Onderwerp: Re: [SPSSX-L] SPSS 17.0 deleting columns
>
>
> I have had similar problems in older versions when using the data view
> editor.
>
> Setting Cache Now first always resolves it.
>
> Good luck
>
> George
>
> --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Roberts, Michael <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> From: Roberts, Michael <[hidden email]>
> Subject: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 3:29 PM
>
> Hi all,
>
> In previous versions I was able to delete a column of data by clicking
> on the variablename in data view or variable view.  In ver. 17.0, I can
> do this intermittently.  I noticed that if I did have a problem deleting
> a column, I would be able to do this after shutting down and restarting
> the program.
>
> Has anyone else experienced this issue, and if so how can I fix it?
>
> TIA
>
> Mike
>
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[Roberts, Michael]

Thank you for the tips.  I find that while scanning some data files I often simply delete a column to make my work quicker.  How would I go about setting the "cache now" setting?  I might add that this is after I have imported the data and the deletion is usually temporary.

TIA

Mike

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:02 PM
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Subject: Re: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns


I have had similar problems in older versions when using the data view editor.

Setting Cache Now first always resolves it.

Good luck

George

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Roberts, Michael <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Roberts, Michael <[hidden email]>
Subject: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 3:29 PM

Hi all,

In previous versions I was able to delete a column of data by clicking
on the variablename in data view or variable view.  In ver. 17.0, I can
do this intermittently.  I noticed that if I did have a problem deleting
a column, I would be able to do this after shutting down and restarting
the program.

Has anyone else experienced this issue, and if so how can I fix it?

TIA

Mike

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[DataMaestro]

 
As soon as you open a file:
 
File>
  Cache Data>
     Cache Now
 
Let me know if it helps.
 
George

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Roberts, Michael <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Roberts, Michael <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: Re: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns
To: "George Musick" <[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 4:27 PM

Thank you for the tips.  I find that while scanning some data files I often
simply delete a column to make my work quicker.  How would I go about setting
the "cache now" setting?  I might add that this is after I have
imported the data and the deletion is usually temporary.

TIA

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of George
Musick
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:02 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns

 
I have had similar problems in older versions when using the data view editor.
 
Setting Cache Now first always resolves it.
 
Good luck
 
George

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Roberts, Michael <[hidden email]>
wrote:

From: Roberts, Michael <[hidden email]>
Subject: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 3:29 PM

Hi all,

In previous versions I was able to delete a column of data by clicking
on the variablename in data view or variable view.  In ver. 17.0, I can
do this intermittently.  I noticed that if I did have a problem deleting
a column, I would be able to do this after shutting down and restarting
the program.

Has anyone else experienced this issue, and if so how can I fix it?

TIA

Mike

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[Roberts, Michael]

George,
 
Thank you, and all of you who responded, again.  I will use this in
future until (hopeful) a fix is developed.
 
Regards
 
Mike
 
From: George Musick [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:31 PM
To: [hidden email]; Roberts, Michael
Subject: RE: Re: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns
 
 
As soon as you open a file:
 
File>
  Cache Data>
     Cache Now
 
Let me know if it helps.
 
George

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Roberts, Michael <[hidden email]>
wrote:
        From: Roberts, Michael <[hidden email]>
        Subject: RE: Re: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns
        To: "George Musick" <[hidden email]>,
[hidden email]
        Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 4:27 PM
        Thank you for the tips.  I find that while scanning some data
files I often
        simply delete a column to make my work quicker.  How would I go
about setting
        the "cache now" setting?  I might add that this is after I have
        imported the data and the deletion is usually temporary.
         
        TIA
         
        Mike
         
        -----Original Message-----
        From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of George
        Musick
        Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:02 PM
        To: [hidden email]
        Subject: Re: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns
         
         
        I have had similar problems in older versions when using the
data view editor.
         
        Setting Cache Now first always resolves it.
         
        Good luck
         
        George
         
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<[hidden email]>
        wrote:
         
        From: Roberts, Michael <[hidden email]>
        Subject: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns
        To: [hidden email]
        Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 3:29 PM
         
        Hi all,
         
        In previous versions I was able to delete a column of data by
clicking
        on the variablename in data view or variable view.  In ver.
17.0, I can
        do this intermittently.  I noticed that if I did have a problem
deleting
        a column, I would be able to do this after shutting down and
restarting
        the program.
         
        Has anyone else experienced this issue, and if so how can I fix
it?
         
        TIA
         
        Mike
         
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[SPSS Support]

Hello Mike,
This note is just to let you know that SPSS is working on this problem. We have only been able to reproduce the problem sporadically and some of us have not been able to reproduce it at all. This makes it difficult to suggest a time when a fix will be available.  Until then, using the right-click->Clear process or the cache option suggested by George are recommended. (As Matt suggested in another post, right-clicking the columns in Data View (or the rows in the Variable View) and then choosing Clear from the pop-up menu is another way to delete the variables.)

David Matheson
SPSS Statistical Support

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Roberts, Michael
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:55 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns

George,

Thank you, and all of you who responded, again.  I will use this in future until (hopeful) a fix is developed.

Regards

Mike

From: George Musick [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:31 PM
To: [hidden email]; Roberts, Michael
Subject: RE: Re: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns


As soon as you open a file:

File>
  Cache Data>
     Cache Now

Let me know if it helps.

George

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Roberts, Michael <[hidden email]>
wrote:
        From: Roberts, Michael <[hidden email]>
        Subject: RE: Re: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns
        To: "George Musick" <[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
        Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 4:27 PM
        Thank you for the tips.  I find that while scanning some data files I often
        simply delete a column to make my work quicker.  How would I go about setting
        the "cache now" setting?  I might add that this is after I have
        imported the data and the deletion is usually temporary.

        TIA

        Mike

        -----Original Message-----
        From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of George
        Musick
        Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:02 PM
        To: [hidden email]
        Subject: Re: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns


        I have had similar problems in older versions when using the data view editor.

        Setting Cache Now first always resolves it.

        Good luck

        George

        --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Roberts, Michael <[hidden email]>
        wrote:

        From: Roberts, Michael <[hidden email]>
        Subject: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns
        To: [hidden email]
        Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 3:29 PM

        Hi all,

        In previous versions I was able to delete a column of data by clicking
        on the variablename in data view or variable view.  In ver.
17.0, I can
        do this intermittently.  I noticed that if I did have a problem deleting
        a column, I would be able to do this after shutting down and restarting
        the program.

        Has anyone else experienced this issue, and if so how can I fix it?

        TIA

        Mike

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[mpirritano]

When you can't delete a column with the delete key you can then delete
is using right-click and select clear. This is intermittent, but one or
the other always works. It was the same with 16. It also holds for
deleting variables from variable view.

Matthew Pirritano, Ph.D.
Research Analyst IV
Medical Services Initiative (MSI)
Orange County Health Care Agency
[phone]

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
SPSS Support
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:08 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns

Hello Mike,
This note is just to let you know that SPSS is working on this problem.
We have only been able to reproduce the problem sporadically and some of
us have not been able to reproduce it at all. This makes it difficult to
suggest a time when a fix will be available.  Until then, using the
right-click->Clear process or the cache option suggested by George are
recommended. (As Matt suggested in another post, right-clicking the
columns in Data View (or the rows in the Variable View) and then
choosing Clear from the pop-up menu is another way to delete the
variables.)

David Matheson
SPSS Statistical Support

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Roberts, Michael
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:55 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns

George,

Thank you, and all of you who responded, again.  I will use this in
future until (hopeful) a fix is developed.

Regards

Mike

From: George Musick [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:31 PM
To: [hidden email]; Roberts, Michael
Subject: RE: Re: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns


As soon as you open a file:

File>
  Cache Data>
     Cache Now

Let me know if it helps.

George

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Roberts, Michael <[hidden email]>
wrote:
        From: Roberts, Michael <[hidden email]>
        Subject: RE: Re: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns
        To: "George Musick" <[hidden email]>,
[hidden email]
        Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 4:27 PM
        Thank you for the tips.  I find that while scanning some data
files I often
        simply delete a column to make my work quicker.  How would I go
about setting
        the "cache now" setting?  I might add that this is after I have
        imported the data and the deletion is usually temporary.

        TIA

        Mike

        -----Original Message-----
        From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of George
        Musick
        Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:02 PM
        To: [hidden email]
        Subject: Re: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns


        I have had similar problems in older versions when using the
data view editor.

        Setting Cache Now first always resolves it.

        Good luck

        George

        --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Roberts, Michael
<[hidden email]>
        wrote:

        From: Roberts, Michael <[hidden email]>
        Subject: SPSS 17.0 deleting columns
        To: [hidden email]
        Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 3:29 PM

        Hi all,

        In previous versions I was able to delete a column of data by
clicking
        on the variablename in data view or variable view.  In ver.
17.0, I can
        do this intermittently.  I noticed that if I did have a problem
deleting
        a column, I would be able to do this after shutting down and
restarting
        the program.

        Has anyone else experienced this issue, and if so how can I fix
it?

        TIA

        Mike

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