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ver 21 $2.4K later!!!:
Who in the hell decided I wanted to have my output as static, uneditable, ugly graphics rather than pivot tables? Was this the "bright" vision of a single complete imbecile or was the entire room of product designers infected by a pernicious case of rectocranial inversion? ALM, NonPar? What is the next victim to be? Please IBM inc. Is this a deliberate plot to completely destroy an otherwise fine piece of software? DISCUSS! EDIT: Added Options snapshot and Exported NPTESTS useless "Crapple". Brainfart1.xls
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>ver 21 $2.4K later!!!:
>Who in the hell decided I wanted to have my output as static, uneditable, >ugly graphics rather than pivot tables? Was this the "bright" vision of a >single complete imbecile or was the entire room of product designers >infected by a pernicious case of rectocranial inversion? >ALM, NonPar? What is the next victim to be? >Please IBM inc. Is this a deliberate plot to completely destroy an >otherwise fine piece of software? >DISCUSS! Can you tell in more detail what kind of output can be viewed? It sounds like regression models the way they are used in Modeler (formerly Clementine). Or is it more AMOS-like? ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD |
There are screenshots of the output in
the online help. The top-level topic for Linear Models (ALM), for
example, is at: http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/spssstat/v21r0m0/topic/com.ibm.spss.statistics.help/idh_alm.htm;
from there, you should see links to topics like "Model Summary",
"Predictor Importance", etc.
What these screenshots don't give a good sense of is how you access the Model Viewer. When you run ALM, it produces a "Model Viewer" object in the Viewer; double-clicking on this object opens the Model Viewer in a new window. This is the same view you would see when opening a model nugget produced by the Linear node in Modeler (formerly Clementine). ALM, NPTESTS, and GENLINMIXED all produce Model Viewer output, though as of v21 GENLINMIXED can now produce pivot table output instead. Alex |
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I know how to access the TTSNBN (thing that shall not be named).
My rant simply posits a screech in the dark. A dart aimed at the heart of the matter which will undoubtedly go unheeded as successive versions of TPFKASPSS devolve into glitzy, useless ghosts of their former glory. I suspect part of the IBM final solution is to port all output to the model viewer *CRAP* . Another chapter in the ongoing "Real Stats Real Easy" undermining of the analytical professions! Who ever decided statistics should be easy?> Carpentry isn't easy! Being a Chef isn't easy! Being an auto mechanic isn't EASY, Being a lawyer isn't easy. In fact, training in just about any profession isn't EASY!!!!!!. Why the f### should statistics be EASY?????? People go to school for years to master the tools and techniques! Why should mathematically illiterate users be coddled by software? WOW: Case studies! That way 'consultants' can be one full help screen ahead of their clients!!!!! --
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After reading Dave's posting about the model reviewer, I was curious. While it's true that I've seen it (and didn't know what it was) for Npar, I was particularly curious about Genlinmixed. I generated some data and ran genlinmixed and also through mplus. The genlinmixed syntax is really complex compared to Mixed (and it may have to be to give the desired flexibility). I think I have the syntax written correctly but I'd like somebody with experience to comment. The generated data have a two level structure: 45 clusters of 50 records each. The dependent variable is y and is dichotomous. There are no level 1 predictors and one level 2 predictor, x. The cluster variable is ij. Thus the level 1 model is just the random intercept and the level 2 model is x regressed on the level 1 intercept. Given that is the following syntax correct?
GENLINMIXED /DATA_STRUCTURE SUBJECTS=ij/FIELDS TARGET=y/ TARGET_OPTIONS DISTRIBUTION=biNOMIAL LINK=LOGIT/fixed effects=x/ RANDOM USE_INTERCEPT=TRUE SUBJECTS=ij COVARIANCE_TYPE=VARIANCE_COMPONENTS. Thanks, Gene Maguin -----Original Message----- From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Marso Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 4:20 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: Model Viewer: Wave of the future or Hideous abomination? I know how to access the TTSNBN (thing that shall not be named). My rant simply posits a screech in the dark. A dart aimed at the heart of the matter which will undoubtedly go unheeded as successive versions of TPFKASPSS devolve into glitzy, useless ghosts of their former glory. I suspect part of the IBM final solution is to port all output to the model viewer *CRAP* . Another chapter in the ongoing "Real Stats Real Easy" undermining of the analytical professions! Who ever decided statistics should be easy?> Carpentry isn't easy! Being a Chef isn't easy! Being an auto mechanic isn't EASY, Being a lawyer isn't easy. In fact, training in just about any profession isn't EASY!!!!!!. Why the f### should statistics be EASY?????? People go to school for years to master the tools and techniques! Why should mathematically illiterate users be coddled by software? WOW: Case studies! That way 'consultants' can be one full help screen ahead of their clients!!!!! -- Alex Reutter wrote > There are screenshots of the output in the online help. The top-level > topic for Linear Models (ALM), for example, is at: > http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/spssstat/v21r0m0/topic/com.ibm.spss. > statistics.help/idh_alm.htm ; from there, you should see links to > topics like "Model Summary", "Predictor Importance", etc. > > What these screenshots don't give a good sense of is how you access > the Model Viewer. When you run ALM, it produces a "Model Viewer" > object in the Viewer; double-clicking on this object opens the Model > Viewer in a new window. This is the same view you would see when > opening a model nugget produced by the Linear node in Modeler > (formerly Clementine). ALM, NPTESTS, and GENLINMIXED all produce > Model Viewer output, though as of v21 GENLINMIXED can now produce pivot table output instead. > > Alex ----- Please reply to the list and not to my personal email. Those desiring my consulting or training services please feel free to email me. -- View this message in context: http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/Model-Viewer-Wave-of-the-future-or-Hideous-abomination-tp5718520p5718525.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD |
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