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Negative values appeared in EM

Gabriela Nakamura
Hi, I used EM in dealing with missing data, but some of the estimated values came out to be negative, while the score can only range from 1 to 6. I'm quite lost, and I have no idea what' wrong and how to fix it. Does anyone have an idea as to why I'm having this issue, or how to fix it? :(

Thank you.
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Re: Negative values appeared in EM

Bruce Weaver
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It sounds as though you are using the imputed (EM) dataset generated by MVA (rather than using the EM covariances & means as input for a statistical procedure).  This is viewed by writers on missing data as a bad idea.  Take a look at this excerpt from http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~snijders/Graham2009.pdf (p. 556), for example.

"Note that the procedure in SPSS for writing out a single imputed data set based on the EM algorithm is
not recommended unless random error residuals are added after the fact to each imputed value; the current implementation of SPSS, up to version 16 at least, writes data out without adding error (e.g., see von Hippel 2004). This is known to produce important biases in the data set (Graham et al. 1996)."

HTH.


Gabriela Nakamura wrote
Hi, I used EM in dealing with missing data, but some of the estimated values came out to be negative, while the score can only range from 1 to 6. I'm quite lost, and I have no idea what' wrong and how to fix it. Does anyone have an idea as to why I'm having this issue, or how to fix it? :(

Thank you.
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Re: Negative values appeared in EM

Ryan
A few comments for multilevel data:

1. Casewise deletion at level 1 is generally okay for cases with missing DV data in a multilevel context. If there other data which would help impute the missing DV value then multiple imputation ought to be considered.
2. FIML is an *easy* alternative offered in AMOS
3. Multiple imputations may be combined using Rubin's rule
4. LOCF and listwise deletion should generally be avoided for many reasons

Ryan

> On Aug 1, 2014, at 10:11 PM, Bruce Weaver <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> It sounds as though you are using the imputed (EM) dataset generated by MVA
> (rather than using the EM covariances & means as input for a statistical
> procedure).  This is viewed by writers on missing data as a bad idea.  Take
> a look at this excerpt from
> http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~snijders/Graham2009.pdf (p. 556), for example.
>
> "Note that the procedure in SPSS for writing out a single imputed data set
> based on the EM algorithm is
> not recommended unless random error residuals are added after the fact to
> each imputed value; the current implementation of SPSS, up to version 16 at
> least, writes data out without adding error (e.g., see von Hippel 2004).
> This is known to produce important biases in the data set (Graham et al.
> 1996)."
>
> HTH.
>
>
>
> Gabriela Nakamura wrote
>> Hi, I used EM in dealing with missing data, but some of the estimated
>> values came out to be negative, while the score can only range from 1 to
>> 6. I'm quite lost, and I have no idea what' wrong and how to fix it. Does
>> anyone have an idea as to why I'm having this issue, or how to fix it? :(
>>
>> Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Negative values appeared in EM

Gabriela Nakamura
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Thank you, Bruce.
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Gabriela Nakamura
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Thank you, Ryan.