Re: Message formats on list (snips from SPSSX-L Digest - 8 Nov 2010 to 9 Nov 2010 (#2010-315))

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Re: Message formats on list (snips from SPSSX-L Digest - 8 Nov 2010 to 9 Nov 2010 (#2010-315))

David Marso
Administrator
Thanks Allan,
I have been noticing the same thing for awhile.
I guess my own strategy henceforth will be to completely *IGNORE* any and
*ALL* questions which I cannot read on the UGA archives without going blind.
I hope others will follow the lead.  Basically the message to people seeking
solutions to your quandries:  Make it *EASY* for others to assist you.  If
your data and code are confangled/mangled  between a S-load of HTML
formatting characters, then I for one am not even going to bother to think
about answering your questions.
HTH, David



On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:17:56 -0000, Allan Reese (Cefas)
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>I'm finding the list digest increasingly hard to read because messages
>appear to be source code (for HTML or other) or non-alphanumeric codes
>have been expressed as character sequences.
>
>Are the problems more readily solved by:
>1) senders remembering to send only plain text
>2) the list-server being enhanced to recognise other formats
>3) switching some option that I don't know exists in Outlook
>4) screaming insults at Microsoft who seem behind all corporate
>blindness on standards and inter-operability?
>
>I've added three arbitrary examples below, but have no idea what you
>will see when they arrive.
>Allan
>
>
>From:    Mark Webb <[hidden email]>
>Subject: Fwd: Confusion with Linear Mixed Models - Repeated Measures
>
><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
><html>
>  <head>
>    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
>      charset=ISO-8859-1">
>  </head>
>  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
>    <br>
>    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
>      charset=ISO-8859-1">
>
>AND
>
>--20cf3054a0395c589804949c7255
>Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
>Sorry, the quote is a problem with Spanish language, we use the
>&#39;,&#39;=
> instead of the &#39;.&#39; for decimal position.<br>
>
><br>
>
>It&#39;s not that i don&#39;t want to use Time-series, is that yesterday
>I =
>didn&#39;t
> know anything about time-series and the example that I look at was=20
>about &#39;station&#39; time series. Today, at least, I know that exist
>oth=
>er=20
>types, like continuous or signal time series. <br>
>
>AND
>
>(faculty); and $295 (practitioner). This course will be popular so
>please d=
>o
>not wait if you are interested. If you sign up now and your plans
>change, w=
>e
>
>
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Re: Message formats on list (snips from SPSSX-L Digest - 8 Nov 2010 to 9 Nov 2010 (#2010-315))

Art Kendall
Once we know whether the problem persists in "digest" mode, we should
have it down to a few possible situations
1) that 1996 version of LISTSERV cannot have HTML in the archives or
digest .
2) it is merely a setting that the list manager (or the host site) can
fix, but would only apply to future posts, the old archives can't be fixed.
3) the archives have a setting that the list manger (or the host site)
can fix, and it will apply to the old and new archives.
4) the digests  have a setting that the list manger (or the host site)
can fix,.
5) ...??



P.S. I not that David's message has bolding. Ergo, it has HTML.



Art

On 11/10/2010 12:42 PM, David Marso wrote:

> Thanks Allan,
> I have been noticing the same thing for awhile.
> I guess my own strategy henceforth will be to completely *IGNORE* any and
> *ALL* questions which I cannot read on the UGA archives without going blind.
> I hope others will follow the lead.  Basically the message to people seeking
> solutions to your quandries:  Make it *EASY* for others to assist you.  If
> your data and code are confangled/mangled  between a S-load of HTML
> formatting characters, then I for one am not even going to bother to think
> about answering your questions.
> HTH, David
>
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:17:56 -0000, Allan Reese (Cefas)
> <[hidden email]>  wrote:
>
>> I'm finding the list digest increasingly hard to read because messages
>> appear to be source code (for HTML or other) or non-alphanumeric codes
>> have been expressed as character sequences.
>>
>> Are the problems more readily solved by:
>> 1) senders remembering to send only plain text
>> 2) the list-server being enhanced to recognise other formats
>> 3) switching some option that I don't know exists in Outlook
>> 4) screaming insults at Microsoft who seem behind all corporate
>> blindness on standards and inter-operability?
>>
>> I've added three arbitrary examples below, but have no idea what you
>> will see when they arrive.
>> Allan
>>
>>
>> From:    Mark Webb<[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Fwd: Confusion with Linear Mixed Models - Repeated Measures
>>
>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>> <html>
>>   <head>
>>     <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
>>       charset=ISO-8859-1">
>>   </head>
>>   <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
>>     <br>
>>     <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
>>       charset=ISO-8859-1">
>>
>> AND
>>
>> --20cf3054a0395c589804949c7255
>> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>
>> Sorry, the quote is a problem with Spanish language, we use the
>> &#39;,&#39;=
>> instead of the&#39;.&#39; for decimal position.<br>
>>
>> <br>
>>
>> It&#39;s not that i don&#39;t want to use Time-series, is that yesterday
>> I =
>> didn&#39;t
>> know anything about time-series and the example that I look at was=20
>> about&#39;station&#39; time series. Today, at least, I know that exist
>> oth=
>> er=20
>> types, like continuous or signal time series.<br>
>>
>> AND
>>
>> (faculty); and $295 (practitioner). This course will be popular so
>> please d=
>> o
>> not wait if you are interested. If you sign up now and your plans
>> change, w=
>> e
>>
>>
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> monitoring.
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Re: Message formats on list (snips from SPSSX-L Digest - 8 Nov 2010 to 9 Nov 2010 (#2010-315))

David Marso
Administrator
Hi Art,
Yes indeed, the problem persists in Digest mode from UGA Listserve.  I
just get digest and have to read the contents by opening the
attachments ;-(  Usually end up logging onto the List and viewing the
topics there and only utilizing the digest for the topic names.
I have added a bookmark to Nabble.
I am looking at my posing on Nabble and UGA and it does not show up as
Bold in my viewer.
Q:  does the word 'this' *THIS* show up as bold?
David

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Art Kendall <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Once we know whether the problem persists in "digest" mode, we should have
> it down to a few possible situations
> 1) that 1996 version of LISTSERV cannot have HTML in the archives or digest
> .
> 2) it is merely a setting that the list manager (or the host site) can fix,
> but would only apply to future posts, the old archives can't be fixed.
> 3) the archives have a setting that the list manger (or the host site) can
> fix, and it will apply to the old and new archives.
> 4) the digests  have a setting that the list manger (or the host site) can
> fix,.
> 5) ...??
>
>
>
> P.S. I not that David's message has bolding. Ergo, it has HTML.
>
>
>
> Art
>
> On 11/10/2010 12:42 PM, David Marso wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Allan,
>> I have been noticing the same thing for awhile.
>> I guess my own strategy henceforth will be to completely *IGNORE* any and
>> *ALL* questions which I cannot read on the UGA archives without going
>> blind.
>> I hope others will follow the lead.  Basically the message to people
>> seeking
>> solutions to your quandries:  Make it *EASY* for others to assist you.  If
>> your data and code are confangled/mangled  between a S-load of HTML
>> formatting characters, then I for one am not even going to bother to think
>> about answering your questions.
>> HTH, David
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:17:56 -0000, Allan Reese (Cefas)
>> <[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm finding the list digest increasingly hard to read because messages
>>> appear to be source code (for HTML or other) or non-alphanumeric codes
>>> have been expressed as character sequences.
>>>
>>> Are the problems more readily solved by:
>>> 1) senders remembering to send only plain text
>>> 2) the list-server being enhanced to recognise other formats
>>> 3) switching some option that I don't know exists in Outlook
>>> 4) screaming insults at Microsoft who seem behind all corporate
>>> blindness on standards and inter-operability?
>>>
>>> I've added three arbitrary examples below, but have no idea what you
>>> will see when they arrive.
>>> Allan
>>>
>>>
>>> From:    Mark Webb<[hidden email]>
>>> Subject: Fwd: Confusion with Linear Mixed Models - Repeated Measures
>>>
>>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>>> <html>
>>>  <head>
>>>    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
>>>      charset=ISO-8859-1">
>>>  </head>
>>>  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
>>>    <br>
>>>    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
>>>      charset=ISO-8859-1">
>>>
>>> AND
>>>
>>> --20cf3054a0395c589804949c7255
>>> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>>
>>> Sorry, the quote is a problem with Spanish language, we use the
>>> &#39;,&#39;=
>>> instead of the&#39;.&#39; for decimal position.<br>
>>>
>>> <br>
>>>
>>> It&#39;s not that i don&#39;t want to use Time-series, is that yesterday
>>> I =
>>> didn&#39;t
>>> know anything about time-series and the example that I look at was=20
>>> about&#39;station&#39; time series. Today, at least, I know that exist
>>> oth=
>>> er=20
>>> types, like continuous or signal time series.<br>
>>>
>>> AND
>>>
>>> (faculty); and $295 (practitioner). This course will be popular so
>>> please d=
>>> o
>>> not wait if you are interested. If you sign up now and your plans
>>> change, w=
>>> e
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ***********************************************************************************
>>> This email and any attachments are intended for the named recipient only.
>>
>> Its unauthorised use, distribution, disclosure, storage or copying is not
>> permitted.  If you have received it in error, please destroy all copies
>> and
>> notify the sender.  In messages of a non-business nature, the views and
>> opinions expressed are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect
>> those
>> of the organisation from which it is sent.  All emails may be subject to
>> monitoring.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>
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Re: Message formats on list (snips from SPSSX-L Digest - 8 Nov 2010 to 9 Nov 2010 (#2010-315))

Bruce Weaver
Administrator
Some programs do render the *text between two asterisks* as bold.  Those some programs no doubt render the _text between two underscore characters_ as italics too.  IIRC, Thunderbird does this.  (I used to use Thunderbird when I was at a university that still had a news server.)  Reading via Nabble, I just see the asterisks in your post.  

Use of the asterisks and underscores is an old usenet convention, apparently.  See Solution 2 here:

   http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/CharacterFormattingRules

When it comes to composing in Nabble, the default appears to be plain text.  But there is a tool bar at the top of the composition window with buttons for Bold, Italics, inserting images & hyperlinks, and emoticons, of course.  The Bold and Italics tools insert the usual html tags around the highlighted text.



David Marso wrote
Hi Art,
Yes indeed, the problem persists in Digest mode from UGA Listserve.  I
just get digest and have to read the contents by opening the
attachments ;-(  Usually end up logging onto the List and viewing the
topics there and only utilizing the digest for the topic names.
I have added a bookmark to Nabble.
I am looking at my posing on Nabble and UGA and it does not show up as
Bold in my viewer.
Q:  does the word 'this' *THIS* show up as bold?
David

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Art Kendall <Art@drkendall.org> wrote:
> Once we know whether the problem persists in "digest" mode, we should have
> it down to a few possible situations
> 1) that 1996 version of LISTSERV cannot have HTML in the archives or digest
> .
> 2) it is merely a setting that the list manager (or the host site) can fix,
> but would only apply to future posts, the old archives can't be fixed.
> 3) the archives have a setting that the list manger (or the host site) can
> fix, and it will apply to the old and new archives.
> 4) the digests  have a setting that the list manger (or the host site) can
> fix,.
> 5) ...??
>
>
>
> P.S. I not that David's message has bolding. Ergo, it has HTML.
>
>
>
> Art
>
> On 11/10/2010 12:42 PM, David Marso wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Allan,
>> I have been noticing the same thing for awhile.
>> I guess my own strategy henceforth will be to completely *IGNORE* any and
>> *ALL* questions which I cannot read on the UGA archives without going
>> blind.
>> I hope others will follow the lead.  Basically the message to people
>> seeking
>> solutions to your quandries:  Make it *EASY* for others to assist you.  If
>> your data and code are confangled/mangled  between a S-load of HTML
>> formatting characters, then I for one am not even going to bother to think
>> about answering your questions.
>> HTH, David
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:17:56 -0000, Allan Reese (Cefas)
>> <allan.reese@cefas.co.uk>  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm finding the list digest increasingly hard to read because messages
>>> appear to be source code (for HTML or other) or non-alphanumeric codes
>>> have been expressed as character sequences.
>>>
>>> Are the problems more readily solved by:
>>> 1) senders remembering to send only plain text
>>> 2) the list-server being enhanced to recognise other formats
>>> 3) switching some option that I don't know exists in Outlook
>>> 4) screaming insults at Microsoft who seem behind all corporate
>>> blindness on standards and inter-operability?
>>>
>>> I've added three arbitrary examples below, but have no idea what you
>>> will see when they arrive.
>>> Allan
>>>
>>>
>>> From:    Mark Webb<targetlinkmark@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Fwd: Confusion with Linear Mixed Models - Repeated Measures
>>>
>>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>>> <html>
>>>  <head>
>>>    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
>>>      charset=ISO-8859-1">
>>>  </head>
>>>  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
>>>    <br>
>>>    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
>>>      charset=ISO-8859-1">
>>>
>>> AND
>>>
>>> --20cf3054a0395c589804949c7255
>>> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>>
>>> Sorry, the quote is a problem with Spanish language, we use the
>>> ','=
>>> instead of the'.' for decimal position.<br>
>>>
>>> <br>
>>>
>>> It's not that i don't want to use Time-series, is that yesterday
>>> I =
>>> didn't
>>> know anything about time-series and the example that I look at was=20
>>> about'station' time series. Today, at least, I know that exist
>>> oth=
>>> er=20
>>> types, like continuous or signal time series.<br>
>>>
>>> AND
>>>
>>> (faculty); and $295 (practitioner). This course will be popular so
>>> please d=
>>> o
>>> not wait if you are interested. If you sign up now and your plans
>>> change, w=
>>> e
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ***********************************************************************************
>>> This email and any attachments are intended for the named recipient only.
>>
>> Its unauthorised use, distribution, disclosure, storage or copying is not
>> permitted.  If you have received it in error, please destroy all copies
>> and
>> notify the sender.  In messages of a non-business nature, the views and
>> opinions expressed are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect
>> those
>> of the organisation from which it is sent.  All emails may be subject to
>> monitoring.
>>>
>>>
>>> ***********************************************************************************
>>>
>>> =====================
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Re: Message formats on list (snips from SPSSX-L Digest - 8 Nov 2010 to 9 Nov 2010 (#2010-315))

Art Kendall
In reply to this post by David Marso
THIS shows up as bold.

Art

On 11/10/2010 1:38 PM, David Marso wrote:

> Hi Art,
> Yes indeed, the problem persists in Digest mode from UGA Listserve.  I
> just get digest and have to read the contents by opening the
> attachments ;-(  Usually end up logging onto the List and viewing the
> topics there and only utilizing the digest for the topic names.
> I have added a bookmark to Nabble.
> I am looking at my posing on Nabble and UGA and it does not show up as
> Bold in my viewer.
> Q:  does the word 'this' *THIS* show up as bold?
> David
>
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Art Kendall<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> Once we know whether the problem persists in "digest" mode, we should have
>> it down to a few possible situations
>> 1) that 1996 version of LISTSERV cannot have HTML in the archives or digest
>> .
>> 2) it is merely a setting that the list manager (or the host site) can fix,
>> but would only apply to future posts, the old archives can't be fixed.
>> 3) the archives have a setting that the list manger (or the host site) can
>> fix, and it will apply to the old and new archives.
>> 4) the digests  have a setting that the list manger (or the host site) can
>> fix,.
>> 5) ...??
>>
>>
>>
>> P.S. I not that David's message has bolding. Ergo, it has HTML.
>>
>>
>>
>> Art
>>
>> On 11/10/2010 12:42 PM, David Marso wrote:
>>> Thanks Allan,
>>> I have been noticing the same thing for awhile.
>>> I guess my own strategy henceforth will be to completely *IGNORE* any and
>>> *ALL* questions which I cannot read on the UGA archives without going
>>> blind.
>>> I hope others will follow the lead.  Basically the message to people
>>> seeking
>>> solutions to your quandries:  Make it *EASY* for others to assist you.  If
>>> your data and code are confangled/mangled  between a S-load of HTML
>>> formatting characters, then I for one am not even going to bother to think
>>> about answering your questions.
>>> HTH, David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:17:56 -0000, Allan Reese (Cefas)
>>> <[hidden email]>   wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm finding the list digest increasingly hard to read because messages
>>>> appear to be source code (for HTML or other) or non-alphanumeric codes
>>>> have been expressed as character sequences.
>>>>
>>>> Are the problems more readily solved by:
>>>> 1) senders remembering to send only plain text
>>>> 2) the list-server being enhanced to recognise other formats
>>>> 3) switching some option that I don't know exists in Outlook
>>>> 4) screaming insults at Microsoft who seem behind all corporate
>>>> blindness on standards and inter-operability?
>>>>
>>>> I've added three arbitrary examples below, but have no idea what you
>>>> will see when they arrive.
>>>> Allan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From:    Mark Webb<[hidden email]>
>>>> Subject: Fwd: Confusion with Linear Mixed Models - Repeated Measures
>>>>
>>>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>>>> <html>
>>>>   <head>
>>>>     <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
>>>>       charset=ISO-8859-1">
>>>>   </head>
>>>>   <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
>>>>     <br>
>>>>     <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
>>>>       charset=ISO-8859-1">
>>>>
>>>> AND
>>>>
>>>> --20cf3054a0395c589804949c7255
>>>> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, the quote is a problem with Spanish language, we use the
>>>> &#39;,&#39;=
>>>> instead of the&#39;.&#39; for decimal position.<br>
>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>> It&#39;s not that i don&#39;t want to use Time-series, is that yesterday
>>>> I =
>>>> didn&#39;t
>>>> know anything about time-series and the example that I look at was=20
>>>> about&#39;station&#39; time series. Today, at least, I know that exist
>>>> oth=
>>>> er=20
>>>> types, like continuous or signal time series.<br>
>>>>
>>>> AND
>>>>
>>>> (faculty); and $295 (practitioner). This course will be popular so
>>>> please d=
>>>> o
>>>> not wait if you are interested. If you sign up now and your plans
>>>> change, w=
>>>> e
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Re: Message formats on list (snips from SPSSX-L Digest - 8 Nov 2010 to 9 Nov 2010 (#2010-315))

David Marso
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Art,
Interesting.  I simply flanked either side of upper case "this" THIS
with asterisks .  So somehow your reader takes that and makes it bold
;-)
What does **THIS** show up as?
asterisk asterisk THIS asterisk asterisk .
David

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Art Kendall <[hidden email]> wrote:

> THIS shows up as bold.
>
> Art
>
> On 11/10/2010 1:38 PM, David Marso wrote:
>>
>> Hi Art,
>> Yes indeed, the problem persists in Digest mode from UGA Listserve.  I
>> just get digest and have to read the contents by opening the
>> attachments ;-(  Usually end up logging onto the List and viewing the
>> topics there and only utilizing the digest for the topic names.
>> I have added a bookmark to Nabble.
>> I am looking at my posing on Nabble and UGA and it does not show up as
>> Bold in my viewer.
>> Q:  does the word 'this' *THIS* show up as bold?
>> David
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Art Kendall<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Once we know whether the problem persists in "digest" mode, we should
>>> have
>>> it down to a few possible situations
>>> 1) that 1996 version of LISTSERV cannot have HTML in the archives or
>>> digest
>>> .
>>> 2) it is merely a setting that the list manager (or the host site) can
>>> fix,
>>> but would only apply to future posts, the old archives can't be fixed.
>>> 3) the archives have a setting that the list manger (or the host site)
>>> can
>>> fix, and it will apply to the old and new archives.
>>> 4) the digests  have a setting that the list manger (or the host site)
>>> can
>>> fix,.
>>> 5) ...??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> P.S. I not that David's message has bolding. Ergo, it has HTML.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Art
>>>
>>> On 11/10/2010 12:42 PM, David Marso wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Allan,
>>>> I have been noticing the same thing for awhile.
>>>> I guess my own strategy henceforth will be to completely *IGNORE* any
>>>> and
>>>> *ALL* questions which I cannot read on the UGA archives without going
>>>> blind.
>>>> I hope others will follow the lead.  Basically the message to people
>>>> seeking
>>>> solutions to your quandries:  Make it *EASY* for others to assist you.
>>>>  If
>>>> your data and code are confangled/mangled  between a S-load of HTML
>>>> formatting characters, then I for one am not even going to bother to
>>>> think
>>>> about answering your questions.
>>>> HTH, David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:17:56 -0000, Allan Reese (Cefas)
>>>> <[hidden email]>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm finding the list digest increasingly hard to read because messages
>>>>> appear to be source code (for HTML or other) or non-alphanumeric codes
>>>>> have been expressed as character sequences.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are the problems more readily solved by:
>>>>> 1) senders remembering to send only plain text
>>>>> 2) the list-server being enhanced to recognise other formats
>>>>> 3) switching some option that I don't know exists in Outlook
>>>>> 4) screaming insults at Microsoft who seem behind all corporate
>>>>> blindness on standards and inter-operability?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've added three arbitrary examples below, but have no idea what you
>>>>> will see when they arrive.
>>>>> Allan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From:    Mark Webb<[hidden email]>
>>>>> Subject: Fwd: Confusion with Linear Mixed Models - Repeated Measures
>>>>>
>>>>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>>>>> <html>
>>>>>  <head>
>>>>>    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
>>>>>      charset=ISO-8859-1">
>>>>>  </head>
>>>>>  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
>>>>>    <br>
>>>>>    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
>>>>>      charset=ISO-8859-1">
>>>>>
>>>>> AND
>>>>>
>>>>> --20cf3054a0395c589804949c7255
>>>>> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, the quote is a problem with Spanish language, we use the
>>>>> &#39;,&#39;=
>>>>> instead of the&#39;.&#39; for decimal position.<br>
>>>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>>> It&#39;s not that i don&#39;t want to use Time-series, is that
>>>>> yesterday
>>>>> I =
>>>>> didn&#39;t
>>>>> know anything about time-series and the example that I look at was=20
>>>>> about&#39;station&#39; time series. Today, at least, I know that exist
>>>>> oth=
>>>>> er=20
>>>>> types, like continuous or signal time series.<br>
>>>>>
>>>>> AND
>>>>>
>>>>> (faculty); and $295 (practitioner). This course will be popular so
>>>>> please d=
>>>>> o
>>>>> not wait if you are interested. If you sign up now and your plans
>>>>> change, w=
>>>>> e
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: Message formats on list (snips from SPSSX-L Digest - 8 Nov 2010 to 9 Nov 2010 (#2010-315))

Art Kendall
asterisk asterisk THIS asterisk asterisk in normal font.

I just got off the phone with l-soft.  They said that the

They suggest I try
set spssx-l mime
set spssx-l digest
and see if the digest is ok

I already had mime and HTML so now i have sent
set spssx-l digest

to see if the digest is ok.  When I get one I'll get back to the list.

It seems that the archives will still have the HTML codes rather than
using them.

Does anybody on the list have the contacts at his/her own university to
find out how much it might cost UGA to upgrade?

Does anybody on the list have the contacts at his/her own university to
find out if someplace else might host the list?

Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants.

On 11/10/2010 5:00 PM, David Marso wrote:

> Art,
> Interesting.  I simply flanked either side of upper case "this" THIS
> with asterisks .  So somehow your reader takes that and makes it bold
> ;-)
> What does **THIS** show up as?
> asterisk asterisk THIS asterisk asterisk .
> David
>
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Art Kendall<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> THIS shows up as bold.
>>
>> Art
>>
>> On 11/10/2010 1:38 PM, David Marso wrote:
>>> Hi Art,
>>> Yes indeed, the problem persists in Digest mode from UGA Listserve.  I
>>> just get digest and have to read the contents by opening the
>>> attachments ;-(  Usually end up logging onto the List and viewing the
>>> topics there and only utilizing the digest for the topic names.
>>> I have added a bookmark to Nabble.
>>> I am looking at my posing on Nabble and UGA and it does not show up as
>>> Bold in my viewer.
>>> Q:  does the word 'this' *THIS* show up as bold?
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Art Kendall<[hidden email]>    wrote:
>>>> Once we know whether the problem persists in "digest" mode, we should
>>>> have
>>>> it down to a few possible situations
>>>> 1) that 1996 version of LISTSERV cannot have HTML in the archives or
>>>> digest
>>>> .
>>>> 2) it is merely a setting that the list manager (or the host site) can
>>>> fix,
>>>> but would only apply to future posts, the old archives can't be fixed.
>>>> 3) the archives have a setting that the list manger (or the host site)
>>>> can
>>>> fix, and it will apply to the old and new archives.
>>>> 4) the digests  have a setting that the list manger (or the host site)
>>>> can
>>>> fix,.
>>>> 5) ...??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> P.S. I not that David's message has bolding. Ergo, it has HTML.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Art
>>>>
>>>> On 11/10/2010 12:42 PM, David Marso wrote:
>>>>> Thanks Allan,
>>>>> I have been noticing the same thing for awhile.
>>>>> I guess my own strategy henceforth will be to completely *IGNORE* any
>>>>> and
>>>>> *ALL* questions which I cannot read on the UGA archives without going
>>>>> blind.
>>>>> I hope others will follow the lead.  Basically the message to people
>>>>> seeking
>>>>> solutions to your quandries:  Make it *EASY* for others to assist you.
>>>>>   If
>>>>> your data and code are confangled/mangled  between a S-load of HTML
>>>>> formatting characters, then I for one am not even going to bother to
>>>>> think
>>>>> about answering your questions.
>>>>> HTH, David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:17:56 -0000, Allan Reese (Cefas)
>>>>> <[hidden email]>     wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm finding the list digest increasingly hard to read because messages
>>>>>> appear to be source code (for HTML or other) or non-alphanumeric codes
>>>>>> have been expressed as character sequences.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are the problems more readily solved by:
>>>>>> 1) senders remembering to send only plain text
>>>>>> 2) the list-server being enhanced to recognise other formats
>>>>>> 3) switching some option that I don't know exists in Outlook
>>>>>> 4) screaming insults at Microsoft who seem behind all corporate
>>>>>> blindness on standards and inter-operability?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've added three arbitrary examples below, but have no idea what you
>>>>>> will see when they arrive.
>>>>>> Allan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From:    Mark Webb<[hidden email]>
>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: Confusion with Linear Mixed Models - Repeated Measures
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>>>>>> <html>
>>>>>>   <head>
>>>>>>     <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
>>>>>>       charset=ISO-8859-1">
>>>>>>   </head>
>>>>>>   <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
>>>>>>     <br>
>>>>>>     <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
>>>>>>       charset=ISO-8859-1">
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AND
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --20cf3054a0395c589804949c7255
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, the quote is a problem with Spanish language, we use the
>>>>>> &#39;,&#39;=
>>>>>> instead of the&#39;.&#39; for decimal position.<br>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It&#39;s not that i don&#39;t want to use Time-series, is that
>>>>>> yesterday
>>>>>> I =
>>>>>> didn&#39;t
>>>>>> know anything about time-series and the example that I look at was=20
>>>>>> about&#39;station&#39; time series. Today, at least, I know that exist
>>>>>> oth=
>>>>>> er=20
>>>>>> types, like continuous or signal time series.<br>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AND
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (faculty); and $295 (practitioner). This course will be popular so
>>>>>> please d=
>>>>>> o
>>>>>> not wait if you are interested. If you sign up now and your plans
>>>>>> change, w=
>>>>>> e
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ***********************************************************************************
>>>>>> This email and any attachments are intended for the named recipient
>>>>>> only.
>>>>> Its unauthorised use, distribution, disclosure, storage or copying is
>>>>> not
>>>>> permitted.  If you have received it in error, please destroy all copies
>>>>> and
>>>>> notify the sender.  In messages of a non-business nature, the views and
>>>>> opinions expressed are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect
>>>>> those
>>>>> of the organisation from which it is sent.  All emails may be subject to
>>>>> monitoring.
>>>>>> ***********************************************************************************
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =====================
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>>>>>> [hidden email]  (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> command. To leave the list, send the command
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>>>>> =====================
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>>>>>
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Re: Message formats on list (snips from SPSSX-L Digest - 8 Nov 2010 to 9 Nov 2010 (#2010-315))

Bruce Weaver
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Art Kendall wrote
asterisk asterisk THIS asterisk asterisk in normal font.

I just got off the phone with l-soft.  They said that the

They suggest I try
set spssx-l mime
set spssx-l digest
and see if the digest is ok

I already had mime and HTML so now i have sent
set spssx-l digest

to see if the digest is ok.  When I get one I'll get back to the list.

It seems that the archives will still have the HTML codes rather than
using them.

Does anybody on the list have the contacts at his/her own university to
find out how much it might cost UGA to upgrade?

Does anybody on the list have the contacts at his/her own university to
find out if someplace else might host the list?

Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants.
Regarding Art's last point, I still think that we should all just move over to the comp.soft-sys.stat.spss newsgroup.  Those who prefer mailing lists to newsgroups can subscribe via Google Groups, and participate via e-mail (with various options, such as every message, digest, etc).  Those of us who like the newsgroup format can use  it that way.  My last rant on this topic can be seen here:

http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/Mailing-list-vs-newsgroup-format-td1092261.html#a1092261

By the way, I gave the Nabble archive link, because too many of the posts in the UGA archive for this topic are full of unreadable HTML.  ;-)

   http://www.listserv.uga.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A1=ind1003&L=spssx-l#65

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Bruce
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