Re: SPSSX-L Digest - 19 Oct 2009 to 20 Oct 2009 (#2009-293)
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Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Automatic digest processor <[hidden email]> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:04:08 To: Recipients of SPSSX-L digests<[hidden email]> Subject: SPSSX-L Digest - 19 Oct 2009 to 20 Oct 2009 (#2009-293) There are 26 messages totalling 3401 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded underscore characters. Sample data: (2) 2. Sample size (2) 3. R Commander, anyone? (3) 4. GPL vs. ViZml 5. Small syntax change for a graph? 6. Can't see some Multiple Response Sets in Custom Tables (2) 7. ODBC Queries 8. OMS problem: Output not being suppressed (6) 9. I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded underscore characters. Sample data: (4) 10. I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded underscore characters. Sample data: 11. GPL vs. VizML (3) ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:26:55 -0700 From: Albert-Jan Roskam <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded underscore characters. Sample data: Hi, You need to trim the trailing blanks first: compute new = rtrim(rtrim(old, " "), "_"). Cheers!! Albert-Jan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- On Tue, 10/20/09, Cheryl Scott <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: Cheryl Scott <[hidden email]> > Subject: [SPSSX-L] I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded underscore characters. Sample data: > To: [hidden email] > Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 12:06 AM > > > > > I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded > underscore characters. Sample data: > > THTR105_THTR205______ > > ELEC101_ELEC101_ELEC151_____ > > IRW101_IRW101_IRW151_IRW201_IRW201___ > > > I want to retain the underscore within the string but > remove all trailing occurrences of the string. Here > is what I wrote: > > * remove trailing underscore. > string newvar (a62). > compute newvar = rtrim(oldvar, '_'). > > The syntax does not generate an error message. > It just runs, but the new variable still has the trailing > underscores. Any assistance would be appreciated. > > > > Cheryl Scott > IR Data Manager > TMCC Integrate Implementation > Team > Office of Institutional > Research > Truckee Meadows Community College > [hidden email] > (775)673-8239 (w) > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:31:16 +0200 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Garc=EDa-Granero?= <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: Sample size Hi Khaleel Hussaini wrote: > I would be concerned with running any parametric statistics with such > a small sample. Is it reasonable to assume the variables you are > examining are normally distributed? I would recommend using > nonparametric statistics especially Kruskal-Wallis test. K-W is > similar to One-way ANOVA except that it does not make any assumptions > about gaussian distribution. > > NPAR TESTS > /K-W=variables of interest > /Missing Analysis. I must disagree. This is a very common error to be avoided. With very small sample sizes, like in this case, non parametric tests should be avoided because they can NEVER render significant results. Even if KW gave a significant result, post-hoc comparisons based on Mann-Whitney U tests would never be significant with sample sizes below 5. You can read more on the topic (from a more solid source than me) here: 1) Bland JM, Altman DG. (2009) Analysis of continuous data from small samples. 338, a3166. http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/338/apr06_1/a3166. 2) An excerpt of Martin Bland's book An Introduction to Medical Statistics: Parametric or non-parametric methods? "There is a common misconception that when the number of observations is very small, […], Normal distribution methods such as t tests and regression must not be used and that rank methods should be used instead. I have never seen any argument put forward in support of this, but inspection of the tables of the test statistics for rank methods will show that it is nonsense. For such small samples rank tests cannot produce any significance at the usual 5% level. Should one need statistical analysis of such small samples, Normal methods are required." With an overall sample size of 30 subjects, normality can (and must) be checked on the residuals, and if data are reasonably normal (or, at least, not very deviated from normality) then oneway ANOVA should be used instead of Kruskal-Wallis. Best regards, Marta GG > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Humphrey Paulie > <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > > Dear folks, > I have a very small sample of 30 subjects. I have divided the > sample into 8 groups. In each group there are approximately 3-4 > subjects. I want to run one-eay ANOVA but with 4 subjects in each > group the results cannot be very dependeble, right? Is there any > way around the problem (except testing more people)? > How about simulation on the basis of existing data? Does it work? > Id be thankful for your comments. > Regards > Humphrey > > > > -- For miscellaneous SPSS related statistical stuff, visit: http://gjyp.nl/marta/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 05:07:56 -0700 From: Bruce Weaver <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: Sample size GarcÃa-Granero wrote: > > Hi > > Khaleel Hussaini wrote: >> I would be concerned with running any parametric statistics with such >> a small sample. Is it reasonable to assume the variables you are >> examining are normally distributed? I would recommend using >> nonparametric statistics especially Kruskal-Wallis test. K-W is >> similar to One-way ANOVA except that it does not make any assumptions >> about gaussian distribution. >> >> NPAR TESTS >> /K-W=variables of interest >> /Missing Analysis. > > I must disagree. This is a very common error to be avoided. With very > small sample sizes, like in this case, non parametric tests should be > avoided because they can NEVER render significant results. Even if KW > gave a significant result, post-hoc comparisons based on Mann-Whitney U > tests would never be significant with sample sizes below 5. You can read > more on the topic (from a more solid source than me) here: > > 1) Bland JM, Altman DG. (2009) Analysis of continuous data from small > samples. 338, a3166. > http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/338/apr06_1/a3166. > 2) An excerpt of Martin Bland's book An Introduction to Medical > Statistics: Parametric or non-parametric methods? > "There is a common misconception that when the number of observations is > very small, […], Normal distribution methods such as t tests and > regression must not be used and that rank methods should be used > instead. I have never seen any argument put forward in support of this, > but inspection of the tables of the test statistics for rank methods > will show that it is nonsense. For such small samples rank tests cannot > produce any significance at the usual 5% level. Should one need > statistical analysis of such small samples, Normal methods are required." > > > With an overall sample size of 30 subjects, normality can (and must) be > checked on the residuals, and if data are reasonably normal (or, at > least, not very deviated from normality) then oneway ANOVA should be > used instead of Kruskal-Wallis. > > Best regards, > Marta GG >> > Thank you for posting this, Marta. I particularly like the last couple paragraphs of the BMJ article. --- start excerpt from Bland & Altman (2009) --- We have often come across the idea that we should not use t distribution methods for small samples but should instead use rank based methods. The statement is sometimes that we should not use t methods at all for samples of fewer than six observations.[4] But, as we noted, rank based methods cannot produce anything useful for such small samples. The aversion to parametric methods for small samples may arise from the inability to assess the distribution shape when there are so few observations. How can we tell whether data follow a normal distribution if we have only a few observations? The answer is that we have not only the data to be analysed, but usually also experience of other sets of measurements of the same thing. In addition, general experience tells us that body size measurements are usually approximately normal, as are the logarithms of many blood concentrations and the square roots of counts. --- end excerpt from Bland & Altman (2009) --- ----- -- Bruce Weaver [hidden email] http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/ "When all else fails, RTFM." NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly. To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Sample-size-tp25960750p25973955.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 05:59:05 -0700 From: Albert-Jan Roskam <[hidden email]> Subject: R Commander, anyone? Hi, I was just checking R Commander, a GUI for R. It looks interesting, because (just like the Spss PRINTBACK) it generates the underlying R code in the background. It can also take spss data files. Does anybody know how actively this program is maintained, or what other good alternatives there are? Cheers!! Albert-Jan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:31:45 -0400 From: Ajay ohri <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: R Commander, anyone? --00032555a4e635415304765de26b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Albert, R Commander is maintained very actively by Prof John Fox and even better it has some additional plugin packages ( it can extend other R packages like quality control qcc) It takes less than 10 minutes for a *non* R language user to start crunching basic descriptive statistics and tests. For SPSS datasets I think you need other package to read it ( am not sure ) or better still import from csv. You can read on the interview here with Dr Fox on the R GUI http://decisionstats.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/interview-professor-john-fox-creator-r-commander/ Regards, Ajay Ohri Grad Student University of Tennessee On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Albert-Jan Roskam <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi, > > I was just checking R Commander, a GUI for R. It looks interesting, because > (just like the Spss PRINTBACK) it generates the underlying R code in the > background. It can also take spss data files. Does anybody know how actively > this program is maintained, or what other good alternatives there are? > > Cheers!! > Albert-Jan > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes, that way > when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ===================== > To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to > [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the > command. To leave the list, send the command > SIGNOFF SPSSX-L > For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command > INFO REFCARD > --00032555a4e635415304765de26b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Albert,<div><br></div><div>R Commander is maintained very actively by Pr= of John Fox and even better it has some additional plugin =A0packages ( it = can extend other R packages like quality control qcc)<div><br></div><div>It= takes less than 10 minutes for a <b>non</b> R language user to start crunc= hing basic=A0descriptive=A0statistics and tests. For SPSS datasets I think = you need other package to read it ( am not sure ) or better still import fr= om csv.</div> <div><br></div><div>You can read on the interview here with Dr Fox on the R= GUI<br><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://decisionstats.wordpress.com/2= 009/09/14/interview-professor-john-fox-creator-r-commander/">http://decisio= nstats.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/interview-professor-john-fox-creator-r-comm= ander/</a></div> <div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Ajay Ohri</div><div><= br></div><div>Grad Student</div><div>University of Tennessee</div><div><br>= <br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Albert-Jan = Roskam <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[hidden email]">fomcl@yahoo= .com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hi,<br> <br> I was just checking R Commander, a GUI for R. It looks interesting, because= (just like the Spss PRINTBACK) it generates the underlying R code in the b= ackground. It can also take spss data files. Does anybody know how actively= this program is maintained, or what other good alternatives there are?<br> <br> Cheers!!<br> Albert-Jan<br> <br> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br> Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes, that way<br> when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes= !<br> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br> <br> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br> To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[hidden email]">[hidden email]</a> = (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the<br> command. To leave the list, send the command<br> SIGNOFF SPSSX-L<br> For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command<br> INFO REFCARD<br> </blockquote></div><br></div></div></div> --00032555a4e635415304765de26b-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:24:13 -0400 From: Bob Walker <[hidden email]> Subject: GPL vs. ViZml This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_NEmUlLRsyYZYwTsZdk3uhg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I am automating a graphical reporting system for a monthly consumer satisfaction study. Conceptually, how should I contrast the benefits of using GPL vs. ViZml? Does the latter primarily benefit web-based reporting model, vs. GPL which is more automation/syntax oriented? TIA, Bob Walker Surveys & Forecasts, LLC <http://www.safllc.com> www.safllc.com From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ajay ohri Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:32 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: R Commander, anyone? Hi Albert, R Commander is maintained very actively by Prof John Fox and even better it has some additional plugin packages ( it can extend other R packages like quality control qcc) It takes less than 10 minutes for a non R language user to start crunching basic descriptive statistics and tests. For SPSS datasets I think you need other package to read it ( am not sure ) or better still import from csv. You can read on the interview here with Dr Fox on the R GUI http://decisionstats.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/interview-professor-john-fox-c reator-r-commander/ Regards, Ajay Ohri Grad Student University of Tennessee On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Albert-Jan Roskam <[hidden email]> wrote: Hi, I was just checking R Commander, a GUI for R. It looks interesting, because (just like the Spss PRINTBACK) it generates the underlying R code in the background. It can also take spss data files. Does anybody know how actively this program is maintained, or what other good alternatives there are? Cheers!! Albert-Jan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD --Boundary_(ID_NEmUlLRsyYZYwTsZdk3uhg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit"> <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple> <div class=Section1> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>I am automating a graphical reporting system for a monthly consumer satisfaction study. Conceptually, how should I contrast the benefits of using GPL vs. ViZml? Does the latter primarily benefit web-based reporting model, vs. GPL which is more automation/syntax oriented?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>TIA,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Bob Walker<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Surveys & Forecasts, LLC<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.safllc.com"><span style='color:blue'>www.safllc.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'> <p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ajay ohri<br> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:32 AM<br> <b>To:</b> [hidden email]<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: R Commander, anyone?<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal>Hi Albert,<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>R Commander is maintained very actively by Prof John Fox and even better it has some additional plugin packages ( it can extend other R packages like quality control qcc)<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>It takes less than 10 minutes for a <b>non</b> R language user to start crunching basic descriptive statistics and tests. For SPSS datasets I think you need other package to read it ( am not sure ) or better still import from csv.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>You can read on the interview here with Dr Fox on the R GUI<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://decisionstats.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/interview-professor-john-fox-creator-r-commander/">http://decisionstats.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/interview-professor-john-fox-creator-r-commander/</a><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>Ajay Ohri<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>Grad Student<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>University of Tennessee<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Albert-Jan Roskam <<a href="mailto:[hidden email]">[hidden email]</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal>Hi,<br> <br> I was just checking R Commander, a GUI for R. It looks interesting, because (just like the Spss PRINTBACK) it generates the underlying R code in the background. It can also take spss data files. Does anybody know how actively this program is maintained, or what other good alternatives there are?<br> <br> Cheers!!<br> Albert-Jan<br> <br> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br> Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes, that way<br> when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes!<br> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br> <br> =====================<br> To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to<br> <a href="mailto:[hidden email]">[hidden email]</a> (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the<br> command. To leave the list, send the command<br> SIGNOFF SPSSX-L<br> For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command<br> INFO REFCARD<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html> --Boundary_(ID_NEmUlLRsyYZYwTsZdk3uhg)-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:25:49 -0400 From: "Myers, Nicholas" <[hidden email]> Subject: Small syntax change for a graph? Hello. I write to ask if/how my syntax below can be altered to produce a slightly altered graph (in SPSS 17). IGRAPH /VIEWNAME='Scatterplot' /X1=VAR(age) TYPE=SCALE /Y=VAR(toleranc) TYPE=SCALE /STYLE=VAR(id) /PANEL=VAR(female) /COORDINATE=VERTICAL /FITLINE METHOD=REGRESSION LINEAR LINE=MEFFECT SPIKE=OFF /YLENGTH=5.2 /X1LENGTH=6.5 /CHARTLOOK='NONE' /CATORDER VAR(female) (ASCENDING VALUES OMITEMPTY) /SCATTER COINCIDENT=NONE. The current syntax produces the desired graph except it includes an ID column to the right of the graph and different markers for each ID – both of which I’d like to omit to clean-up the graph. Please respond off-list to [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]> Thank you for considering my post. nick myers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:45:22 -0500 From: "Oliver, Richard" <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded underscore characters. Sample data: Since blanks are trimmed by default, this could be simplified slightly to compute new=rtrim(rtrim(old), "_"). -----Original Message----- From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Albert-Jan Roskam Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:27 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded underscore characters. Sample data: Hi, You need to trim the trailing blanks first: compute new = rtrim(rtrim(old, " "), "_"). Cheers!! Albert-Jan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- On Tue, 10/20/09, Cheryl Scott <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: Cheryl Scott <[hidden email]> > Subject: [SPSSX-L] I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded underscore characters. Sample data: > To: [hidden email] > Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 12:06 AM > > > > > I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded > underscore characters. Sample data: > > THTR105_THTR205______ > > ELEC101_ELEC101_ELEC151_____ > > IRW101_IRW101_IRW151_IRW201_IRW201___ > > > I want to retain the underscore within the string but > remove all trailing occurrences of the string. Here > is what I wrote: > > * remove trailing underscore. > string newvar (a62). > compute newvar = rtrim(oldvar, '_'). > > The syntax does not generate an error message. > It just runs, but the new variable still has the trailing > underscores. Any assistance would be appreciated. > > > > Cheryl Scott > IR Data Manager > TMCC Integrate Implementation > Team > Office of Institutional > Research > Truckee Meadows Community College > [hidden email] > (775)673-8239 (w) > > ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:13:08 -0500 From: "Steve Simon, P.Mean Consulting" <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: R Commander, anyone? Albert-Jan Roskam wrote: > I was just checking R Commander, a GUI for R. It looks interesting, > because (just like the Spss PRINTBACK) it generates the underlying R > code in the background. It can also take spss data files. Does > anybody know how actively this program is maintained, or what other > good alternatives there are? I am a big fan of R, and R Commander looks like it will extend the audience of R to those people who prefer a menu driven interface to a command interface. Still, you have to realize that R is written quite differently than most other software. It takes an object oriented approach and while it is not inherently more difficult than other approaches, it is sufficiently different that it takes a long time to get comfortable with it. The object oriented perspective does not disappear with a menu driven interface. If you're curious what "object oriented" means from the perspective of statistics, I tried to explain it at my old website: * www.childrensmercy.org/stats/weblog2005/ObjectOrientedR.asp I'd recommend R and R Commander for the more adventurous among you, but most of you will be more comfortable with the more traditional approach used by PASW/SPSS. I'm sure that most people on this list know about PSPP, which is another open source alternative to PASW/SPSS. http://www.gnu.org/software/pspp/ I could not get PSPP to load on this particular computer (they do not trust me at this particular location to install my own software), but I'll take a look at it at home tonight. As a very general rule, open source software usually has other non-monetary costs associated with it. It often, for example, requires a greater commitment of time or labor compared to commercial software. You need to consider the non-monetary costs of free software very carefully before you make a switch. It might be your best choice, depending on your circumstances, but don't assume that free is always better. I hesitate to offer any more advice, because choosing a statistical software program is not unlike choosing a religion. It can often generate heated debate with about as much passion as religion does. It is also like religion in that it is highly influenced by a person's individual needs and desires. There's a lot of acrimony between proponents of commercial products and proponents of open source products. In the arena of Statistics, both are valuable. There is some overlap between the two, but commercial software satisfies a different audience with different needs, for the most part, compared to open source software. -- Steve Simon, Standard Disclaimer Second free statistics webinar, Wed, Nov 4, 11am-noon CST. "The first three steps in data entry, with examples in PASW/SPSS" Details at www.pmean.com/webinars ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:13:39 -0700 From: Mike Pritchard <[hidden email]> Subject: Can't see some Multiple Response Sets in Custom Tables I've created several different multiple response sets with Analyze | Tables | Multiple Response sets. Some of them are visible when I create custom tables with the Dialog, but others aren't and I can't figure out why. I finally tried modifying existing syntax to make a start, and this seems to work. But I'd rather see the Mult Resp Set in the dialog box so I can easily mess around with the categories and subtotals. What am I missing? I'm guessing it is just a dumb thing I'm doing. I'm using SPSS V16 Thanks Mike _________________________________________________________________________ Mike Pritchard | [hidden email] | 5 Circles Research | 425-444-3410 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:42:36 -0700 From: Bud Bliss <[hidden email]> Subject: ODBC Queries Please forgive a non SPSS-specific question, but I've always been curious why the query design wizard uses aliases for table names in constructing SQL queries of ODBC databases. But then yesterday I converted tables names to aliases in an update query I use in M$ Access. I did that purely for ease of maintenance, but all of a sudden the query seems to be running much faster than before. Is there some reason why using aliases would accelerate an ODBC query? Thanks for any insight, --Bud Meredith (Bud) Bliss Crime Analyst - Beaverton Police Dept. 4755 SW Griffith Drive Beaverton, OR 97005 503-526-2294 - Fax: 503-526-2541 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:57:15 -0700 From: Bruce Weaver <[hidden email]> Subject: OMS problem: Output not being suppressed Hello folks. I want to run some simulations to confirm a power estimate obtained with another program. Here's the syntax: * --- Start of syntax --- . * Simulation to obtain power for proposed study . * Analysis with PASS2008 suggested that n = 6 per group would * ensure 80% power. new file. dataset close all. data list free / group (f1.0). begin data 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 4 4 end data. dataset name rawdata . numeric y (f5.2). exe. * Macro to generate data & run analysis . define !GO (N = !tokens(1)) !DO !i = 1 !to !N do if (group EQ 1). - compute y = rv.normal(.5, .25). /* mean = .5, SD = .25 . else. - compute y = rv.normal(1, .5). /* mean = 1, SD = .5 . end if. exe. * Contrast: G1 vs [G2, G3, G4] . ONEWAY y BY group /CONTRAST=-3 1 1 1 /MISSING ANALYSIS. !doend !enddefine. * --- End of Macro Definition --- . * Use OMS to turn off output of ANOVA summary tables and * tables of Contrast Coefficients, and to send the contrast * results to a new dataset called CONTRASTS . OMS /SELECT TABLES /IF COMMANDS=['Oneway'] SUBTYPES=['ANOVA' 'Contrast Coefficients'] /DESTINATION VIEWER=NO. DATASET DECLARE contrasts. OMS /SELECT TABLES /IF COMMANDS=['Oneway'] SUBTYPES=['Contrast Tests'] /DESTINATION FORMAT=SAV NUMBERED=TableNumber_ OUTFILE='contrasts' VIEWER=NO. * Call the macro . !GO N = 10 . OMSEND. /* Turn off OMS . * Activate the datset containing the contrast results . dataset activate contrasts. compute signif = (Sig.2tailed LE .05). recode var2 ("Assume equal variances" = 1) ("Does not assume equal variances" = 2) into version. format signif version (f1.0). var lab signif 'Statistically significant' version 'Version of test' . val lab version 1 'Equal variances assumed' 2 'Equal variances NOT assumed' . * Mean of SIGNIF = proportion of contrasts that are significant. means signif by version / cells = mean count . * --- End of syntax --- . If I have adequate power with 6 subjects per group, 80% of the contrasts should be significant. The problem is that all 3 parts of the ONEWAY output are appearing in my output viewer, despite my attempts to suppress them via OMS--but no warnings or error messages appear. Can anyone spot a problem with my OMS commands? In the syntax shown here, I only loop 10 times (for testing), so it's not that big a deal. But when I run it for real, I'll want to loop a much larger number of times, and I won't want all that output. FWIW, I'm using version 17.0.3 for Windoze. Thanks, Bruce ----- -- Bruce Weaver [hidden email] http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/ "When all else fails, RTFM." NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly. To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/OMS-problem%3A-Output-not-being-suppressed-tp25982408p25982408.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:09:32 -0700 From: Bud Bliss <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded underscore characters. Sample data: I think the problem here is the trailing characters aren't just blanks, but I don't have anything to show what they are. Might be safer to do a substring from the left up to a double underscore "__", assuming that a double underscore never occurs within the string of interest! Meredith (Bud) Bliss Crime Analyst - Beaverton Police Dept. 4755 SW Griffith Drive Beaverton, OR 97005 503-526-2294 - Fax: 503-526-2541 -----Original Message----- From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Oliver, Richard Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:45 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded underscore characters. Sample data: Since blanks are trimmed by default, this could be simplified slightly to compute new=rtrim(rtrim(old), "_"). -----Original Message----- From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Albert-Jan Roskam Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:27 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded underscore characters. Sample data: Hi, You need to trim the trailing blanks first: compute new = rtrim(rtrim(old, " "), "_"). Cheers!! Albert-Jan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- On Tue, 10/20/09, Cheryl Scott <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: Cheryl Scott <[hidden email]> > Subject: [SPSSX-L] I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded underscore characters. Sample data: > To: [hidden email] > Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 12:06 AM > > > > > I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded > underscore characters. Sample data: > > THTR105_THTR205______ > > ELEC101_ELEC101_ELEC151_____ > > IRW101_IRW101_IRW151_IRW201_IRW201___ > > > I want to retain the underscore within the string but > remove all trailing occurrences of the string. Here > is what I wrote: > > * remove trailing underscore. > string newvar (a62). > compute newvar = rtrim(oldvar, '_'). > > The syntax does not generate an error message. > It just runs, but the new variable still has the trailing > underscores. Any assistance would be appreciated. > > > > Cheryl Scott > IR Data Manager > TMCC Integrate Implementation > Team > Office of Institutional > Research > Truckee Meadows Community College > [hidden email] > (775)673-8239 (w) > > ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:21:16 +0200 From: John F Hall <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: Can't see some Multiple Response Sets in Custom Tables This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01CA51DC.05B2F670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Forget Analyze, stick to direct syntax. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Pritchard=20 To: [hidden email]=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:13 PM Subject: Can't see some Multiple Response Sets in Custom Tables I've created several different multiple response sets with Analyze | = Tables | Multiple Response sets. Some of them are visible when I create = custom tables with the Dialog, but others aren't and I can't figure out why. I finally tried modifying existing syntax to make a start, and this = seems to work. But I'd rather see the Mult Resp Set in the dialog box so I = can easily mess around with the categories and subtotals. What am I missing? I'm guessing it is just a dumb thing I'm doing. = I'm using SPSS V16 Thanks Mike = _________________________________________________________________________= Mike Pritchard | [hidden email] | 5 Circles Research | = 425-444-3410 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except = the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01CA51DC.05B2F670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16915" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Forget Analyze, stick to direct=20 syntax.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=[hidden email] href=3D"mailto:[hidden email]">Mike=20 Pritchard</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=[hidden email]=20 href=3D"mailto:[hidden email]">[hidden email]</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 20, 2009 = 10:13=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Can't see some = Multiple Response=20 Sets in Custom Tables</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><BR>I've created several different multiple response = sets with=20 Analyze | Tables<BR>| Multiple Response sets. Some of them are = visible=20 when I create custom<BR>tables with the Dialog, but others aren't and = I can't=20 figure out why.<BR><BR>I finally tried modifying existing syntax = to make=20 a start, and this seems<BR>to work. But I'd rather see the Mult = Resp Set=20 in the dialog box so I can<BR>easily mess around with the categories = and=20 subtotals.<BR><BR>What am I missing? I'm guessing it is just a = dumb=20 thing I'm doing. I'm<BR>using SPSS=20 = V16<BR><BR>Thanks<BR>Mike<BR><BR>________________________________________= _________________________________<BR>Mike=20 Pritchard | <A = href=3D"mailto:[hidden email]">[hidden email]</A> | 5=20 Circles Research | = 425-444-3410<BR><BR>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D<BR>To manage your=20 subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to<BR><A=20 = href=3D"mailto:[hidden email]">[hidden email]</A> = (not to=20 SPSSX-L), with no body text except the<BR>command. To leave the list, = send the=20 command<BR>SIGNOFF SPSSX-L<BR>For a list of commands to manage = subscriptions,=20 send the command<BR>INFO REFCARD<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01CA51DC.05B2F670-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:23:48 -0700 From: Bruce Weaver <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded underscore characters. Sample data: Bud Bliss wrote: > > I think the problem here is the trailing characters aren't just blanks, > but I don't have anything to show what they are. Might be safer to do a > substring from the left up to a double underscore "__", assuming that a > double underscore never occurs within the string of interest! > But the underscore does occur within the string of interest. > I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded > underscore characters. Sample data: > > THTR105_THTR205______ > ELEC101_ELEC101_ELEC151_____ > IRW101_IRW101_IRW151_IRW201_IRW201___ > > I want to retain the underscore within the string but > remove all trailing occurrences of the string. Here... ----- -- Bruce Weaver [hidden email] http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/ "When all else fails, RTFM." NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly. To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/I-have-a-long-string-variable-%2862-chars%29-with-embedded-underscore-characters.--Sample-data%3A-tp25966562p25982817.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:25:04 -0500 From: "Oliver, Richard" <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: OMS problem: Output not being suppressed OMS affects output between the OMS command and the OMSEND command. Your ONEWWAY command is outside the OMS block. -----Original Message----- From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bruce Weaver Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:57 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: OMS problem: Output not being suppressed Hello folks. I want to run some simulations to confirm a power estimate obtained with another program. Here's the syntax: * --- Start of syntax --- . * Simulation to obtain power for proposed study . * Analysis with PASS2008 suggested that n = 6 per group would * ensure 80% power. new file. dataset close all. data list free / group (f1.0). begin data 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 4 4 end data. dataset name rawdata . numeric y (f5.2). exe. * Macro to generate data & run analysis . define !GO (N = !tokens(1)) !DO !i = 1 !to !N do if (group EQ 1). - compute y = rv.normal(.5, .25). /* mean = .5, SD = .25 . else. - compute y = rv.normal(1, .5). /* mean = 1, SD = .5 . end if. exe. * Contrast: G1 vs [G2, G3, G4] . ONEWAY y BY group /CONTRAST=-3 1 1 1 /MISSING ANALYSIS. !doend !enddefine. * --- End of Macro Definition --- . * Use OMS to turn off output of ANOVA summary tables and * tables of Contrast Coefficients, and to send the contrast * results to a new dataset called CONTRASTS . OMS /SELECT TABLES /IF COMMANDS=['Oneway'] SUBTYPES=['ANOVA' 'Contrast Coefficients'] /DESTINATION VIEWER=NO. DATASET DECLARE contrasts. OMS /SELECT TABLES /IF COMMANDS=['Oneway'] SUBTYPES=['Contrast Tests'] /DESTINATION FORMAT=SAV NUMBERED=TableNumber_ OUTFILE='contrasts' VIEWER=NO. * Call the macro . !GO N = 10 . OMSEND. /* Turn off OMS . * Activate the datset containing the contrast results . dataset activate contrasts. compute signif = (Sig.2tailed LE .05). recode var2 ("Assume equal variances" = 1) ("Does not assume equal variances" = 2) into version. format signif version (f1.0). var lab signif 'Statistically significant' version 'Version of test' . val lab version 1 'Equal variances assumed' 2 'Equal variances NOT assumed' . * Mean of SIGNIF = proportion of contrasts that are significant. means signif by version / cells = mean count . * --- End of syntax --- . If I have adequate power with 6 subjects per group, 80% of the contrasts should be significant. The problem is that all 3 parts of the ONEWAY output are appearing in my output viewer, despite my attempts to suppress them via OMS--but no warnings or error messages appear. Can anyone spot a problem with my OMS commands? In the syntax shown here, I only loop 10 times (for testing), so it's not that big a deal. But when I run it for real, I'll want to loop a much larger number of times, and I won't want all that output. FWIW, I'm using version 17.0.3 for Windoze. Thanks, Bruce ----- -- Bruce Weaver [hidden email] http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/ "When all else fails, RTFM." NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly. To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/OMS-problem%3A-Output-not-being-suppressed-tp25982408p25982408.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:42:28 -0500 From: "Peck, Jon" <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded underscore characters. Sample data: Change the format of the variable in question to ahex. format x(ahexnn). where nn is 2 x string width. Then those nonprinting characters will display as hex codes in the DE. For example, 20 = blank = 32 decimal 09 = tab = 09 decimal 0A = line feed = 10 decimal 0D = carriage return = 13 decimal This will tell you what you have. Then you can get rid of these characters - convert them to blanks - with code such as this. compute strvar = replace(strvar, string(10, pib1),' '). compute strvar = replace(strvar, string(13, pib1),' '). HTH, Jon Peck -----Original Message----- From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bruce Weaver Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:24 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [SPSSX-L] I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded underscore characters. Sample data: Bud Bliss wrote: > > I think the problem here is the trailing characters aren't just blanks, > but I don't have anything to show what they are. Might be safer to do a > substring from the left up to a double underscore "__", assuming that a > double underscore never occurs within the string of interest! > But the underscore does occur within the string of interest. > I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded > underscore characters. Sample data: > > THTR105_THTR205______ > ELEC101_ELEC101_ELEC151_____ > IRW101_IRW101_IRW151_IRW201_IRW201___ > > I want to retain the underscore within the string but > remove all trailing occurrences of the string. Here... ----- -- Bruce Weaver [hidden email] http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/ "When all else fails, RTFM." NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly. To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/I-have-a-long-string-variable-%2862-chars%29-with-embedded-underscore-characters.--Sample-data%3A-tp25966562p25982817.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:59:43 -0600 From: ViAnn Beadle <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: GPL vs. VizML This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA519E.5818E6B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's a really complicated question. Here's my personal opinion on the whole thing: GPL is a higher level language that SPSS parses to generate VizML. VizML is XML. VizML provides much more control over formatting than GPL and can do some specialized charts which are not exposed within the GPL language. Writing your own VizML is not for the faint of heart. AFAIK, the only public documentation comes with some enterprise tools that SPSS sells and comments within the xschema. Probably the best way to learn it is to create a chart using GGRAPH, IGRAPH, or GGRAPH and then open that within the Chart Editor and save it as VizML. In PASW 17, SPSS introduced a new chart Graphboard facility which uses style sheets and variable mapping applied to visualization templates which is a variant of VizML. Note that these VizML templates are not Chart Templates (*.sgt) files. A limited set of templates are provided with Graphboard. Depending upon the type of charts you are producing they may be sufficient. Otherwise, you are on your own to build them using Viz Designer which is a separate enterprise-level product. The enterprise level graph facilities are designed to support a web-based distribution system but are more at the level of embeddable tools within some higher-level enterprise system. From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bob Walker Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:24 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: GPL vs. ViZml I am automating a graphical reporting system for a monthly consumer satisfaction study. Conceptually, how should I contrast the benefits of using GPL vs. ViZml? Does the latter primarily benefit web-based reporting model, vs. GPL which is more automation/syntax oriented? TIA, Bob Walker Surveys & Forecasts, LLC www.safllc.com ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA519E.5818E6B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D;} span.EmailStyle18 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> </head> <body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple> <div class=3DSection1> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>That’s a really complicated question. Here’s = my personal opinion on the whole thing:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>GPL is a higher level language that SPSS parses to = generate VizML. VizML is XML. VizML provides much more control over formatting = than GPL and can do some specialized charts which are not exposed within the GPL language. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Writing your own VizML is not for the faint of heart. = AFAIK, the only public documentation comes with some enterprise tools that SPSS = sells and comments within the xschema. Probably the best way to learn it is to create a = chart using GGRAPH, IGRAPH, or GGRAPH and then open that within the Chart = Editor and save it as VizML.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'> In PASW 17, SPSS introduced a new chart Graphboard facility which uses style sheets and variable mapping applied to = visualization templates which is a variant of VizML. Note that these VizML templates = are not Chart Templates (*.sgt) files. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>A limited set of templates are provided with Graphboard. Depending upon the type of charts you are producing they may be = sufficient. 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Sample data: Yes, but NOT a DOUBLE underscore, at least not in the sample provided. compute newvar EQ substr(oldvar,1,index(oldvar,"__")-1). exe. Seems to do the job. -----Original Message----- From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bruce Weaver Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:24 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded underscore characters. Sample data: Bud Bliss wrote: > > I think the problem here is the trailing characters aren't just blanks, > but I don't have anything to show what they are. Might be safer to do a > substring from the left up to a double underscore "__", assuming that a > double underscore never occurs within the string of interest! > But the underscore does occur within the string of interest. > I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded > underscore characters. Sample data: > > THTR105_THTR205______ > ELEC101_ELEC101_ELEC151_____ > IRW101_IRW101_IRW151_IRW201_IRW201___ > > I want to retain the underscore within the string but > remove all trailing occurrences of the string. Here... ----- -- Bruce Weaver [hidden email] http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/ "When all else fails, RTFM." NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly. To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/I-have-a-long-string-variable-%2862-chars%29-with-embedded-underscore-characters.--Sample-data%3A-tp25966562p25982817.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:10:13 -0700 From: Bruce Weaver <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: OMS problem: Output not being suppressed Oliver, Richard wrote: > > OMS affects output between the OMS command and the OMSEND command. Your > ONEWWAY command is outside the OMS block. > However, that ONEWAY command is within a macro definition, and the call to the macro (!GO N = 10) does fall between the OMS commands and OMSEND. But as we all know, computers and software sometimes do unexpected things. So...I tried it with both the macro definition and the call to the macro placed between the OMS and OMSEND commands. Result: No difference. Then, I added a single ONEWAY command after calling the macro (with N = 3 loops), and before OMSEND. The output viewer had all of the ONEWAY output for the 3 times it ran via the looping macro, but did not have any output for the one direct call to ONEWAY. So, the moral of the story seems to be that suppression of output via OMS does not work when commands are called via macros. This is a real pain in the backside. Is this a version 17 problem, or does the same thing happen in earlier (and later) versions? ----- -- Bruce Weaver [hidden email] http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/ "When all else fails, RTFM." NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly. To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/OMS-problem%3A-Output-not-being-suppressed-tp25982408p25983409.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:27:29 -0500 From: "Oliver, Richard" <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: OMS problem: Output not being suppressed This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA51D4.827DDF86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My bad. I missed the fact that the ONEWAY command was embedded in a = macro. But there must be something else going on, because OMS will work = on output generated from a macro: =20 data list free /x. begin data 1 2 3 end data. define !fred(). frequencies variables=3Dx /barchart. !enddefine. oms select tables=20 /if subtypes=3D['Frequencies', 'Statistics'] /destination viewer=3Dno. * This seems to work. Frequencies tables suppressed. * But log, chart, and text output displayed correctly. !fred. list. omsend. ________________________________ From: SPSSX(r) Discussion on behalf of Bruce Weaver Sent: Tue 10/20/2009 5:10 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: OMS problem: Output not being suppressed Oliver, Richard wrote: > > OMS affects output between the OMS command and the OMSEND command. = Your > ONEWWAY command is outside the OMS block. > However, that ONEWAY command is within a macro definition, and the call = to the macro (!GO N =3D 10) does fall between the OMS commands and OMSEND. But as we all know, computers and software sometimes do unexpected = things. So...I tried it with both the macro definition and the call to the macro placed between the OMS and OMSEND commands. Result: No difference. Then, I added a single ONEWAY command after calling the macro (with N = =3D 3 loops), and before OMSEND. The output viewer had all of the ONEWAY = output for the 3 times it ran via the looping macro, but did not have any = output for the one direct call to ONEWAY. So, the moral of the story seems to be that suppression of output via = OMS does not work when commands are called via macros. This is a real pain = in the backside. Is this a version 17 problem, or does the same thing = happen in earlier (and later) versions? ----- -- Bruce Weaver [hidden email] http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/ "When all else fails, RTFM." NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly. To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above. -- View this message in context: = http://www.nabble.com/OMS-problem%3A-Output-not-being-suppressed-tp259824= 08p25983409.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA51D4.827DDF86 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML dir=3Dltr><HEAD><TITLE>Re: OMS problem: Output not being = suppressed</TITLE>=0A= <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dunicode">=0A= <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.5803" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD>=0A= <BODY>=0A= <DIV id=3DidOWAReplyText69336 dir=3Dltr>=0A= <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2>My bad. I = missed the fact that the ONEWAY command was embedded in a macro. But = there must be something else going on, because OMS will work on output = generated from a macro:</FONT></DIV>=0A= <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>=0A= <DIV dir=3Dltr>data list free /x.<BR>begin data<BR>1 2 3<BR>end = data.<BR>define !fred().<BR>frequencies variables=3Dx = /barchart.<BR>!enddefine.<BR>oms select tables <BR> /if = subtypes=3D['Frequencies', 'Statistics']<BR> /destination = viewer=3Dno.<BR>* This seems to work. Frequencies tables = suppressed.<BR>* But log, chart, and text output displayed = correctly.<BR>!fred.<BR>list.<BR>omsend.</DIV></DIV>=0A= <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR>=0A= <HR tabIndex=3D-1>=0A= <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> SPSSX(r) Discussion on behalf = of Bruce Weaver<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tue 10/20/2009 5:10 PM<BR><B>To:</B> = [hidden email]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: OMS problem: Output not = being suppressed<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>=0A= <DIV>=0A= <P><FONT size=3D2>Oliver, Richard wrote:<BR>><BR>> OMS affects = output between the OMS command and the OMSEND command. Your<BR>> = ONEWWAY command is outside the OMS block.<BR>><BR><BR>However, that = ONEWAY command is within a macro definition, and the call to<BR>the = macro (!GO N =3D 10) does fall between the OMS commands and = OMSEND.<BR><BR>But as we all know, computers and software sometimes do = unexpected things.<BR>So...I tried it with both the macro definition and = the call to the macro<BR>placed between the OMS and OMSEND = commands. Result: No difference.<BR><BR>Then, I added a = single ONEWAY command after calling the macro (with N =3D 3<BR>loops), = and before OMSEND. The output viewer had all of the ONEWAY = output<BR>for the 3 times it ran via the looping macro, but did not have = any output<BR>for the one direct call to ONEWAY.<BR><BR>So, the moral of = the story seems to be that suppression of output via OMS<BR>does not = work when commands are called via macros. This is a real pain = in<BR>the backside. Is this a version 17 problem, or does the same = thing happen<BR>in earlier (and later) = versions?<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----<BR>--<BR>Bruce = Weaver<BR>[hidden email]<BR><A = href=3D"http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/">http://sites.goo= gle.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/</A><BR>"When all else fails, = RTFM."<BR><BR>NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored = regularly.<BR>To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown = above.<BR>--<BR>View this message in context: <A = href=3D"http://www.nabble.com/OMS-problem%3A-Output-not-being-suppressed-= tp25982408p25983409.html">http://www.nabble.com/OMS-problem%3A-Output-not= -being-suppressed-tp25982408p25983409.html</A><BR>Sent from the SPSSX = Discussion mailing list archive at = Nabble.com.<BR><BR>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D<BR>To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message = to<BR>[hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text = except the<BR>command. To leave the list, send the command<BR>SIGNOFF = SPSSX-L<BR>For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the = command<BR>INFO REFCARD<BR></FONT></P></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA51D4.827DDF86-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:29:13 -0700 From: Bruce Weaver <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: I have a long string variable (62 chars) with embedded underscore characters. Sample data: Bud Bliss wrote: > > Yes, but NOT a DOUBLE underscore, at least not in the sample provided. > > compute newvar EQ substr(oldvar,1,index(oldvar,"__")-1). > exe. > > Seems to do the job. > > Sorry, I missed that it was a double-underscore. But, the method suggested by Albert-Jan (and modified by Richard) does the job too, and it works even if the final string of underscores is only a single underscore. ----- -- Bruce Weaver [hidden email] http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/ "When all else fails, RTFM." NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly. To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/I-have-a-long-string-variable-%2862-chars%29-with-embedded-underscore-characters.--Sample-data%3A-tp25966562p25983582.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:34:03 -0700 From: Bruce Weaver <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: OMS problem: Output not being suppressed Bruce Weaver wrote: > > > Oliver, Richard wrote: >> >> OMS affects output between the OMS command and the OMSEND command. Your >> ONEWWAY command is outside the OMS block. >> > > However, that ONEWAY command is within a macro definition, and the call to > the macro (!GO N = 10) does fall between the OMS commands and OMSEND. > > But as we all know, computers and software sometimes do unexpected things. > So...I tried it with both the macro definition and the call to the macro > placed between the OMS and OMSEND commands. Result: No difference. > > Then, I added a single ONEWAY command after calling the macro (with N = 3 > loops), and before OMSEND. The output viewer had all of the ONEWAY output > for the 3 times it ran via the looping macro, but did not have any output > for the one direct call to ONEWAY. > > So, the moral of the story seems to be that suppression of output via OMS > does not work when commands are called via macros. This is a real pain in > the backside. Is this a version 17 problem, or does the same thing happen > in earlier (and later) versions? > > I should have added that the contrast results do get directed to the 'contrasts' dataset, even when ONEWAY is called via the macro. It's only the suppression of output that does not work when ONEWAY (or any other command, presumably) is called via the macro. ----- -- Bruce Weaver [hidden email] http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/ "When all else fails, RTFM." NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly. To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/OMS-problem%3A-Output-not-being-suppressed-tp25982408p25983704.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:39:16 +0200 From: "Kooij, A.J. van der" <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: OMS problem: Output not being suppressed This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA51D6.27824D05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I use OMS in a macro, I put an OMS command before the actual OMS selec= tion command:=0D=0AOMS /DESTINATION VIEWER=3DNO /TAG=3D'suppressall'.=0D=0A=0D=0A= OMS/SELECT TABLES ...=0D=0A=0D=0AThat works (I have these commands within t= he macro, probably will work also when outside the macro)=0D=0A=0D=0A= =0D=0A=0D=0ARegards,=0D=0A=0D=0AAnita=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A______________= __________________=0D=0A=0D=0AFrom: SPSSX(r) Discussion on behalf of Bruce W= eaver=0D=0ASent: Wed 21-Oct-09 00:10=0D=0ATo: [hidden email]= U=0D=0ASubject: Re: OMS problem: Output not being suppressed=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A= Oliver, Richard wrote:=0D=0A>=0D=0A> OMS affects output between the OMS comm= and and the OMSEND command. Your=0D=0A> ONEWWAY command is outside the OMS b= lock.=0D=0A>=0D=0A=0D=0AHowever, that ONEWAY command is within a macro defin= ition, and the call to=0D=0Athe macro (!GO N =3D 10) does fall between the O= MS commands and OMSEND.=0D=0A=0D=0ABut as we all know, computers and softwar= e sometimes do unexpected things.=0D=0ASo...I tried it with both the macro d= efinition and the call to the macro=0D=0Aplaced between the OMS and OMSEND c= ommands. Result: No difference.=0D=0A=0D=0AThen, I added a single ONEWAY c= ommand after calling the macro (with N =3D 3=0D=0Aloops), and before OMSEND.= The output viewer had all of the ONEWAY output=0D=0Afor the 3 times it ran= via the looping macro, but did not have any output=0D=0Afor the one direct = call to ONEWAY.=0D=0A=0D=0ASo, the moral of the story seems to be that suppr= ession of output via OMS=0D=0Adoes not work when commands are called via mac= ros. This is a real pain in=0D=0Athe backside. Is this a version 17 proble= m, or does the same thing happen=0D=0Ain earlier (and later) versions= ?=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A-----=0D=0A--=0D=0ABruce Weaver=0D=0Abweaver@lakehe= adu.ca=0D=0Ahttp://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/=0D=0A"When all e= lse fails, RTFM."=0D=0A=0D=0ANOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored regu= larly.=0D=0ATo send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above.=0D=0A-= -=0D=0AView this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/OMS-problem%3A-Ou= tput-not-being-suppressed-tp25982408p25983409.html=0D=0ASent from the SPSSX = Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com.=0D=0A=0D=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0D=0ATo manage your subscripti= on to SPSSX-L, send a message to=0D=[hidden email] (not to SPSS= X-L), with no body text except the=0D=0Acommand. To leave the list, send the= command=0D=0ASIGNOFF SPSSX-L=0D=0AFor a list of commands to manage subscrip= tions, send the command=0D=0AINFO REFCARD=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A***********= ***********************************************************=0D=0AThis email = and any files transmitted with it are confidential and=0D=0Aintended solely = for the use of the individual or entity to whom they=0D=0Aare addressed. If = you have received this email in error please notify=0D=0Athe system manager= .=0D=0A*********************************************************************= *=0D=0A=0D=0A ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA51D6.27824D05 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML dir=3Dltr><HEAD><TITLE>Re: OMS problem: Output not being suppressed</T= ITLE>=0D=0A<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Du= nicode">=0D=0A<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16809" name=3DGENERATOR= >=0D=0A=0D=0A</HEAD>=0D=0A<BODY>=0D=0A<DIV id=3DidOWAReplyText3616 dir=3Dltr= >=0D=0A<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2>When I use= OMS in a macro, I put an OMS command before the actual OMS selection comman= d:</FONT></DIV>=0D=0A<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D1><FON= T face=3D"Courier New" size=3D1>=0D=0A<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: = 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FON= T-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">OMS /DESTINATION VIEWER=3DNO /TAG=3D'suppressall'.<= ?xml:namespace prefix =3D o ns =3D "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"= /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>=0D=0A<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm= 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMIL= Y: 'Courier New'">OMS/SELECT TABLES ...</SPAN></P>=0D=0A<P class=3DMsoNormal= style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN style=3D"F= ONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That = works (I have these commands within the macro, probably will work= also when outside the macro)</FONT></SPAN></P>=0D=0A<P class=3DMsoNorm= al style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN style=3D= "FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></F= ONT></SPAN> </P>=0D=0A<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt= ; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: '= Courier New'"><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></P>=0D=0A<P= class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none= "><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><FONT face=3DAr= ial size=3D2>Anita</FONT></SPAN></P>=0D=0A<P></FONT></FONT><BR>=0D=0A<HR tab= Index=3D-1>=0D=0A<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> SPSSX(r) Discussi= on on behalf of Bruce Weaver<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wed 21-Oct-09 00:10<BR><B>To:</= B> [hidden email]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: OMS problem: Output not b= eing suppressed<BR></FONT><BR></P></DIV></DIV>=0D=0A<DIV>=0D=0A<P><FONT size= =3D2>Oliver, Richard wrote:<BR>><BR>> OMS affects output between the O= MS command and the OMSEND command. Your<BR>> ONEWWAY command is outside t= he OMS block.<BR>><BR><BR>However, that ONEWAY command is within a macro = definition, and the call to<BR>the macro (!GO N =3D 10) does fall between th= e OMS commands and OMSEND.<BR><BR>But as we all know, computers and software= sometimes do unexpected things.<BR>So...I tried it with both the macro defi= nition and the call to the macro<BR>placed between the OMS and OMSEND comman= ds. Result: No difference.<BR><BR>Then, I added a single ONEWAY = command after calling the macro (with N =3D 3<BR>loops), and before OMSEND.&= nbsp; The output viewer had all of the ONEWAY output<BR>for the 3 times it r= an via the looping macro, but did not have any output<BR>for the one direct = call to ONEWAY.<BR><BR>So, the moral of the story seems to be that suppressi= on of output via OMS<BR>does not work when commands are called via macros.&n= bsp; This is a real pain in<BR>the backside. 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Regards, Bob Walker Surveys & Forecasts, LLC <http://www.safllc.com> www.safllc.com From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of ViAnn Beadle Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:00 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: GPL vs. VizML That's a really complicated question. Here's my personal opinion on the whole thing: GPL is a higher level language that SPSS parses to generate VizML. VizML is XML. VizML provides much more control over formatting than GPL and can do some specialized charts which are not exposed within the GPL language. Writing your own VizML is not for the faint of heart. AFAIK, the only public documentation comes with some enterprise tools that SPSS sells and comments within the xschema. Probably the best way to learn it is to create a chart using GGRAPH, IGRAPH, or GGRAPH and then open that within the Chart Editor and save it as VizML. In PASW 17, SPSS introduced a new chart Graphboard facility which uses style sheets and variable mapping applied to visualization templates which is a variant of VizML. Note that these VizML templates are not Chart Templates (*.sgt) files. A limited set of templates are provided with Graphboard. Depending upon the type of charts you are producing they may be sufficient. Otherwise, you are on your own to build them using Viz Designer which is a separate enterprise-level product. The enterprise level graph facilities are designed to support a web-based distribution system but are more at the level of embeddable tools within some higher-level enterprise system. From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bob Walker Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:24 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: GPL vs. ViZml I am automating a graphical reporting system for a monthly consumer satisfaction study. Conceptually, how should I contrast the benefits of using GPL vs. ViZml? Does the latter primarily benefit web-based reporting model, vs. GPL which is more automation/syntax oriented? TIA, Bob Walker Surveys & Forecasts, LLC www.safllc.com --Boundary_(ID_TMFkwgR4scFFGXDygDFegw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D;} span.EmailStyle18 {mso-style-type:personal; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D;} span.EmailStyle19 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit"> <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple> <div class=Section1> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>ViAnn,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Thanks very much… I figured this list would be a good place to address this question. And GPL should be fine for what I need. FYI, there is some VizML documentation in the PASW 17 help facility, though it is very hard to wade through.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Bob Walker<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Surveys & Forecasts, LLC<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.safllc.com"><span style='color:blue'>www.safllc.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'> <p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>ViAnn Beadle<br> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:00 PM<br> <b>To:</b> [hidden email]<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: GPL vs. VizML<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>That’s a really complicated question. Here’s my personal opinion on the whole thing:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>GPL is a higher level language that SPSS parses to generate VizML. VizML is XML. VizML provides much more control over formatting than GPL and can do some specialized charts which are not exposed within the GPL language. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Writing your own VizML is not for the faint of heart. AFAIK, the only public documentation comes with some enterprise tools that SPSS sells and comments within the xschema. Probably the best way to learn it is to create a chart using GGRAPH, IGRAPH, or GGRAPH and then open that within the Chart Editor and save it as VizML.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'> In PASW 17, SPSS introduced a new chart Graphboard facility which uses style sheets and variable mapping applied to visualization templates which is a variant of VizML. Note that these VizML templates are not Chart Templates (*.sgt) files. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>A limited set of templates are provided with Graphboard. Depending upon the type of charts you are producing they may be sufficient. Otherwise, you are on your own to build them using Viz Designer which is a separate enterprise-level product.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>The enterprise level graph facilities are designed to support a web-based distribution system but are more at the level of embeddable tools within some higher-level enterprise system. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'> <p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Walker<br> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:24 PM<br> <b>To:</b> [hidden email]<br> <b>Subject:</b> GPL vs. ViZml<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>I am automating a graphical reporting system for a monthly consumer satisfaction study. Conceptually, how should I contrast the benefits of using GPL vs. ViZml? Does the latter primarily benefit web-based reporting model, vs. GPL which is more automation/syntax oriented?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>TIA,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Bob Walker<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Surveys & Forecasts, LLC<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.safllc.com">www.safllc.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html> --Boundary_(ID_TMFkwgR4scFFGXDygDFegw)-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:41:33 -0500 From: "Peck, Jon" <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: GPL vs. VizML This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA51EF.ABD63C7B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To add to ViAnn's comments, =20 VizML is sort of the (low-level) assembly language of the graphics = engine. Most users would work in the higher level GPL. =20 But VizDesigner, a separate product, gives you control over the VizML = and civilizes the process. With VizML you might build very = sophisticated graphics templates that could then be dropped in to SPSS = and used in GraphBoard or even used in other SPSS products. =20 Regards, Jon Peck =20 From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of = Bob Walker Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:34 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [SPSSX-L] GPL vs. VizML =20 ViAnn, =20 Thanks very much... I figured this list would be a good place to address = this question. And GPL should be fine for what I need. FYI, there is = some VizML documentation in the PASW 17 help facility, though it is very = hard to wade through. =20 Regards, =20 Bob Walker Surveys & Forecasts, LLC www.safllc.com =20 From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of = ViAnn Beadle Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:00 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: GPL vs. VizML =20 That's a really complicated question. Here's my personal opinion on the = whole thing: =20 GPL is a higher level language that SPSS parses to generate VizML. = VizML is XML. VizML provides much more control over formatting than GPL = and can do some specialized charts which are not exposed within the GPL = language. =20 =20 Writing your own VizML is not for the faint of heart. AFAIK, the only = public documentation comes with some enterprise tools that SPSS sells = and comments within the xschema. Probably the best way to learn it is to = create a chart using GGRAPH, IGRAPH, or GGRAPH and then open that within = the Chart Editor and save it as VizML. =20 In PASW 17, SPSS introduced a new chart Graphboard facility which uses = style sheets and variable mapping applied to visualization templates = which is a variant of VizML. Note that these VizML templates are not = Chart Templates (*.sgt) files.=20 =20 A limited set of templates are provided with Graphboard. Depending upon = the type of charts you are producing they may be sufficient. Otherwise, = you are on your own to build them using Viz Designer which is a separate = enterprise-level product. =20 The enterprise level graph facilities are designed to support a = web-based distribution system but are more at the level of embeddable = tools within some higher-level enterprise system.=20 =20 =20 From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of = Bob Walker Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:24 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: GPL vs. ViZml =20 I am automating a graphical reporting system for a monthly consumer = satisfaction study. Conceptually, how should I contrast the benefits of = using GPL vs. ViZml? Does the latter primarily benefit web-based = reporting model, vs. GPL which is more automation/syntax oriented? =20 TIA, =20 Bob Walker Surveys & Forecasts, LLC www.safllc.com =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA51EF.ABD63C7B Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:x=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:excel" = xmlns:p=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:powerpoint" = xmlns:a=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:access" = xmlns:dt=3D"uuid:C2F41010-65B3-11d1-A29F-00AA00C14882" = xmlns:s=3D"uuid:BDC6E3F0-6DA3-11d1-A2A3-00AA00C14882" = xmlns:rs=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:rowset" xmlns:z=3D"#RowsetSchema" = xmlns:b=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:publisher" = xmlns:ss=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:spreadsheet" = xmlns:c=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:component:spreadsheet" = xmlns:odc=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:odc" = xmlns:oa=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:activation" = xmlns:html=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" = xmlns:q=3D"http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/" = xmlns:rtc=3D"http://microsoft.com/officenet/conferencing" = xmlns:D=3D"DAV:" xmlns:Repl=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/repl/" = xmlns:mt=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/meetings/" = xmlns:x2=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/excel/2003/xml" = xmlns:ppda=3D"http://www.passport.com/NameSpace.xsd" = xmlns:ois=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/ois/" = xmlns:dir=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/directory/" = xmlns:ds=3D"http://www.w3.org/2000/09/xmldsig#" = xmlns:dsp=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/dsp" = xmlns:udc=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/data/udc" = xmlns:xsd=3D"http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" = xmlns:sub=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/2002/1/alerts/"= xmlns:ec=3D"http://www.w3.org/2001/04/xmlenc#" = xmlns:sp=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/" = xmlns:sps=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/" = xmlns:xsi=3D"http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" = xmlns:udcs=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/data/udc/soap" = xmlns:udcxf=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/data/udc/xmlfile" = xmlns:udcp2p=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/data/udc/parttopart" = xmlns:wf=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/workflow/" = xmlns:dsss=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2006/digsig-setup" = xmlns:dssi=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2006/digsig" = xmlns:mdssi=3D"http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/package/2006/digital-sig= nature" = xmlns:mver=3D"http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/markup-compatibility/2006= " xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" = xmlns:mrels=3D"http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/package/2006/relationshi= ps" xmlns:spwp=3D"http://microsoft.com/sharepoint/webpartpages" = xmlns:ex12t=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/exchange/services/2006/types"= = xmlns:ex12m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/exchange/services/2006/messag= es" = xmlns:pptsl=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/SlideLibrary/= " = xmlns:spsl=3D"http://microsoft.com/webservices/SharePointPortalServer/Pub= lishedLinksService" xmlns:Z=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" = xmlns:st=3D"" xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; 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color:#1F497D'>VizML is sort of the (low-level) assembly language = of the graphics engine. Most users would work in the higher level = GPL.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>But VizDesigner, a separate product, gives you control = over the VizML and civilizes the process. With VizML you might build very sophisticated graphics templates that could then be dropped in to SPSS = and used in GraphBoard or even used in other SPSS products.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Jon Peck<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt = 0in 0in 0in'> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>= </b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> SPSSX(r) = Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Walker<br> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:34 PM<br> <b>To:</b> [hidden email]<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [SPSSX-L] GPL vs. VizML<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>ViAnn,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Thanks very much… I figured this list would be a = good place to address this question. And GPL should be fine for what I need. = FYI, there is some VizML documentation in the PASW 17 help facility, though = it is very hard to wade through.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Bob Walker<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Surveys & Forecasts, LLC<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><a = href=3D"http://www.safllc.com">www.safllc.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt = 0in 0in 0in'> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>= </b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> SPSSX(r) = Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>ViAnn Beadle<br> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:00 PM<br> <b>To:</b> [hidden email]<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: GPL vs. VizML<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>That’s a really complicated question. Here’s = my personal opinion on the whole thing:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>GPL is a higher level language that SPSS parses to generate VizML. VizML is XML. VizML provides much more control = over formatting than GPL and can do some specialized charts which are not = exposed within the GPL language. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Writing your own VizML is not for the faint of heart. = AFAIK, the only public documentation comes with some enterprise tools that SPSS = sells and comments within the xschema. Probably the best way to learn it is to = create a chart using GGRAPH, IGRAPH, or GGRAPH and then open that within the = Chart Editor and save it as VizML.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'> In PASW 17, SPSS introduced a new chart Graphboard facility which uses style sheets and variable mapping applied to = visualization templates which is a variant of VizML. Note that these VizML templates = are not Chart Templates (*.sgt) files. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>A limited set of templates are provided with Graphboard. Depending upon the type of charts you are producing they may be = sufficient. Otherwise, you are on your own to build them using Viz Designer which is = a separate enterprise-level product.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>The enterprise level graph facilities are designed to = support a web-based distribution system but are more at the level of embeddable = tools within some higher-level enterprise system. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt = 0in 0in 0in'> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>= </b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> SPSSX(r) = Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Walker<br> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:24 PM<br> <b>To:</b> [hidden email]<br> <b>Subject:</b> GPL vs. ViZml<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>I am automating a graphical reporting system for a = monthly consumer satisfaction study. Conceptually, how should I contrast the = benefits of using GPL vs. ViZml? Does the latter primarily benefit web-based = reporting model, vs. GPL which is more automation/syntax = oriented?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>TIA,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Bob Walker<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Surveys & Forecasts, LLC<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><a = href=3D"http://www.safllc.com">www.safllc.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html> ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA51EF.ABD63C7B-- ------------------------------ End of SPSSX-L Digest - 19 Oct 2009 to 20 Oct 2009 (#2009-293) ************************************************************** ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. 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