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S-L-O-W syntax

Nirit Avnimelech

Hi all,

I’m using SPSS 25, combining English and Hebrew (a left-to-right language) - Encoding: windows-1255.  Syntax files with over ~100 code lines take forever to open (even 5 minutes), and that’s on a very strong machine (Dell XPS with upgraded everything, although I see the same phenomenon on all computers around me).

Does anyone else experience this? --- especially those working in RTL, such as Arabic?  Any ideas?

Thanks!

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Re: S-L-O-W syntax

Ki Park
Hi,

I have not experienced 5 min delay to open a file, but I thought that I
share what happens in my end. I work at a research center associated to a
university, so our license is the education licensing that is part of the
package that university has. In this matchines, the FIRST start of the day
of SPSS 25 program takes around 40 seconds (which feels like
'for-ever-and-ever'), but our IT guy told me is that this is probably caused
how the licensing works since they need to check IF my license is up to
date. I am not if this is the true reason behind this.  After the first
opening, it reopens almost instantly during the day.



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Nirit Avnimelech
I wish that was the problem...  SPSS opens up pretty fast, it's only syntax files that contain non-English characters that open really slowly.  I wonder if anyone else using foreign alphabets experienced this.

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Sent: Friday, 7 December 2018 18:13
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Subject: Re: S-L-O-W syntax

Hi,

I have not experienced 5 min delay to open a file, but I thought that I share what happens in my end. I work at a research center associated to a university, so our license is the education licensing that is part of the package that university has. In this matchines, the FIRST start of the day of SPSS 25 program takes around 40 seconds (which feels like 'for-ever-and-ever'), but our IT guy told me is that this is probably caused how the licensing works since they need to check IF my license is up to date. I am not if this is the true reason behind this.  After the first opening, it reopens almost instantly during the day.



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Jon Peck
I don’t think it is foreign characters.  I suspect that it is right-to-left (Hebrew or Arabic) characters.

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 4:12 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
I wish that was the problem...  SPSS opens up pretty fast, it's only syntax files that contain non-English characters that open really slowly.  I wonder if anyone else using foreign alphabets experienced this.

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From: SPSSX(r) Discussion <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Ki Park
Sent: Friday, 7 December 2018 18:13
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: S-L-O-W syntax

Hi,

I have not experienced 5 min delay to open a file, but I thought that I share what happens in my end. I work at a research center associated to a university, so our license is the education licensing that is part of the package that university has. In this matchines, the FIRST start of the day of SPSS 25 program takes around 40 seconds (which feels like 'for-ever-and-ever'), but our IT guy told me is that this is probably caused how the licensing works since they need to check IF my license is up to date. I am not if this is the true reason behind this.  After the first opening, it reopens almost instantly during the day.



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Re: S-L-O-W syntax

J.D. Haltigan
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I have an individual license auth code through my institution. Experience
exactly what Ki describes below on my own machine during first opening of
program. It is annoying to some degree given the specs of my machine and how
quickly other software platforms open (Mplus/R/Word etc.)

Not sure why the statistics engine has to take this long to start.



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Jon Peck
While the license check may take a little time if it has to hit a remote license server, most of the wait time is probably due to the need to load many dlls, including the JVM and other resources into memory.  Since Windows caches a lot of this if memory is available, subsequent starts of Statistics can take advantage of that.  Having Statistics stored on an SSD is like to boost startup speed substantially.

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 4:38 PM J.D. Haltigan <[hidden email]> wrote:
I have an individual license auth code through my institution. Experience
exactly what Ki describes below on my own machine during first opening of
program. It is annoying to some degree given the specs of my machine and how
quickly other software platforms open (Mplus/R/Word etc.)

Not sure why the statistics engine has to take this long to start.



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Timothy Hennigar-2
I have ssd.  I have core i9 . I have m.2 .. and still spss 25 can take a minute or 2 to open at times .. it's laughable


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While the license check may take a little time if it has to hit a remote license server, most of the wait time is probably due to the need to load many dlls, including the JVM and other resources into memory.  Since Windows caches a lot of this if memory is available, subsequent starts of Statistics can take advantage of that.  Having Statistics stored on an SSD is like to boost startup speed substantially.

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 4:38 PM J.D. Haltigan <[hidden email]> wrote:
I have an individual license auth code through my institution. Experience
exactly what Ki describes below on my own machine during first opening of
program. It is annoying to some degree given the specs of my machine and how
quickly other software platforms open (Mplus/R/Word etc.)

Not sure why the statistics engine has to take this long to start.



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J.D. Haltigan
SSD with core i7 2.60GHz FWIW.......



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Jon Peck
So, I timed launching Statistics 25.0.0.2 on my Win 10 system (2.60 i7, 4 cores with SSD, 16GB RAM) timing it to the appearance of the first main window.  I'm using Windows Defender with default settings.  Different anti-virus programs might slow down executable loading to varying degrees if they are scanning every module when it is loaded.

For the first launch after booting Windows, 27 seconds average.  Subsequent launches 5-9 seconds.

If any application has loaded a DLL into memory, the operating system can reuse those pages without loading from disk.  If physical memory runs short, pages cached in memory may be released.  The Task Manager Performance tab shows what is going on with memory in real time.  The Resource Monitor (also accessed from the Task Manager) shows a variety of resource usage measures in real time.

I can't definitively account for the different launch time performance reports, but memory, disk, and anti-virus are places to look.



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SSD with core i7 2.60GHz FWIW.......



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