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Claudiu Tufis

SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

Hi all,

Just an update and a question regarding Vista compatibility.

I got a new computer with Vista, I installed SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 and was able
to license them using the authorization wizard without any problems.

After a restart, both SPSS and AMOS stopped working, giving me a license
error message.

I uninstalled both, reinstalled them again and asked for a trial license.
Surprise . it worked.

Right now I am able to run analyses using the trial license, which expires
in 2 weeks. (The only incompatibility I found was that SPSS does not work
with Vista's Aero interface and forces Vista to switch to the regular
interface.)

However, if I try to license the software using my license, the
authorization wizard runs, it says authorization was successful, but the
license is not updated: both SPSS and AMOS remain on the trial license.

I called tech support and when they found out I was on a Vista system they
did not even want to try and solve the problem.

All the tech guy told me was basically "Kudos to you for managing to install
and run SPSS with a trial license, but we do not support SPSS under Vista"

His suggestion was to wait for SPSS 16 and buy the new version, a solution I
find a little bit offensive.

SPSS knew for a long time that Vista was coming but it seems like they did
not eve try to make their product compatible with it. A very disappointing
business attitude towards the customer.

Did anyone manage to license SPSS 15 under Vista?

Does anybody know if (and when) SPSS is going to come out with a patch that
will make SPSS run under Vista?

It seems like SPSS does not care very much about my problem (because I am
just an individual user) but some of you may have a better relationship with
SPSS and my know more about this issue.

Best,

Claudiu Tufis

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Claudiu Tufis

Graduate student

314 Pond Laboratory

Department of Political Science

Penn State University

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Valdiserri, Colin

Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

I just ordered a notebook with Vista Business and will get the chance to
see if I can get SPSS to work on Vista.

I agree, SPSS as well as all other software developers new this was
coming out, why can't they create a patch to work earlier versions with
Vista.

I find it offensive too and reinforces the monopoly SPSS has and how
they plan to enjoy it.

Something needs to be done to get this to work with Vista.

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Claudiu Tufis
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:06 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

Hi all,

Just an update and a question regarding Vista compatibility.

I got a new computer with Vista, I installed SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 and was
able
to license them using the authorization wizard without any problems.

After a restart, both SPSS and AMOS stopped working, giving me a license
error message.

I uninstalled both, reinstalled them again and asked for a trial
license.
Surprise . it worked.

Right now I am able to run analyses using the trial license, which
expires
in 2 weeks. (The only incompatibility I found was that SPSS does not
work
with Vista's Aero interface and forces Vista to switch to the regular
interface.)

However, if I try to license the software using my license, the
authorization wizard runs, it says authorization was successful, but the
license is not updated: both SPSS and AMOS remain on the trial license.

I called tech support and when they found out I was on a Vista system
they
did not even want to try and solve the problem.

All the tech guy told me was basically "Kudos to you for managing to
install
and run SPSS with a trial license, but we do not support SPSS under
Vista"

His suggestion was to wait for SPSS 16 and buy the new version, a
solution I
find a little bit offensive.

SPSS knew for a long time that Vista was coming but it seems like they
did
not eve try to make their product compatible with it. A very
disappointing
business attitude towards the customer.

Did anyone manage to license SPSS 15 under Vista?

Does anybody know if (and when) SPSS is going to come out with a patch
that
will make SPSS run under Vista?

It seems like SPSS does not care very much about my problem (because I
am
just an individual user) but some of you may have a better relationship
with
SPSS and my know more about this issue.

Best,

Claudiu Tufis

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Claudiu Tufis

Graduate student

314 Pond Laboratory

Department of Political Science

Penn State University

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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David Wasserman

Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

The tech support section of the SPSS web site states clearly that no version
of SPSS is compatible with Windows Vista. I experienced the same problems
as other have reported, and am unable to use SPSS 15.0 on my Home Vista
Premium desktop computer. I received no reply to an e-mail to SPSS tech
support.

Despite the web site, SPSS 13 seems to run ok under Vista. There are a
couple of error messages that come up on first opening SPSS, but analyses
and syntax that I tried ran correctly.

David Wasserman
Custom Data Analysis and SPSS Programming

----- Original Message -----
From: "Valdiserri, Colin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

>I just ordered a notebook with Vista Business and will get the chance to
> see if I can get SPSS to work on Vista.
>
> I agree, SPSS as well as all other software developers new this was
> coming out, why can't they create a patch to work earlier versions with
> Vista.
>
> I find it offensive too and reinforces the monopoly SPSS has and how
> they plan to enjoy it.
>
> Something needs to be done to get this to work with Vista.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Claudiu Tufis
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:06 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Just an update and a question regarding Vista compatibility.
>
>
>
> I got a new computer with Vista, I installed SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 and was
> able
> to license them using the authorization wizard without any problems.
>
> After a restart, both SPSS and AMOS stopped working, giving me a license
> error message.
>
> I uninstalled both, reinstalled them again and asked for a trial
> license.
> Surprise . it worked.
>
>
>
> Right now I am able to run analyses using the trial license, which
> expires
> in 2 weeks. (The only incompatibility I found was that SPSS does not
> work
> with Vista's Aero interface and forces Vista to switch to the regular
> interface.)
>
> However, if I try to license the software using my license, the
> authorization wizard runs, it says authorization was successful, but the
> license is not updated: both SPSS and AMOS remain on the trial license.
>
>
>
> I called tech support and when they found out I was on a Vista system
> they
> did not even want to try and solve the problem.
>
> All the tech guy told me was basically "Kudos to you for managing to
> install
> and run SPSS with a trial license, but we do not support SPSS under
> Vista"
>
> His suggestion was to wait for SPSS 16 and buy the new version, a
> solution I
> find a little bit offensive.
>
> SPSS knew for a long time that Vista was coming but it seems like they
> did
> not eve try to make their product compatible with it. A very
> disappointing
> business attitude towards the customer.
>
>
>
> Did anyone manage to license SPSS 15 under Vista?
>
> Does anybody know if (and when) SPSS is going to come out with a patch
> that
> will make SPSS run under Vista?
>
> It seems like SPSS does not care very much about my problem (because I
> am
> just an individual user) but some of you may have a better relationship
> with
> SPSS and my know more about this issue.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Claudiu Tufis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Claudiu Tufis
>
> Graduate student
>
>
>
> 314 Pond Laboratory
>
> Department of Political Science
>
> Penn State University
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> _______________________________________________
> This message was scanned for viruses prior to entering the Moen network
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
>
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> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or
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>

Valdiserri, Colin

Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

I would really lie to hear what a rep from SPSS has to say about this
instead of ignoring it.

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
David Wasserman
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:27 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

The tech support section of the SPSS web site states clearly that no
version
of SPSS is compatible with Windows Vista. I experienced the same
problems
as other have reported, and am unable to use SPSS 15.0 on my Home Vista
Premium desktop computer. I received no reply to an e-mail to SPSS tech
support.

Despite the web site, SPSS 13 seems to run ok under Vista. There are a
couple of error messages that come up on first opening SPSS, but
analyses
and syntax that I tried ran correctly.

David Wasserman
Custom Data Analysis and SPSS Programming

----- Original Message -----
From: "Valdiserri, Colin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

>I just ordered a notebook with Vista Business and will get the chance
to
> see if I can get SPSS to work on Vista.
>
> I agree, SPSS as well as all other software developers new this was
> coming out, why can't they create a patch to work earlier versions
with
> Vista.
>
> I find it offensive too and reinforces the monopoly SPSS has and how
> they plan to enjoy it.
>
> Something needs to be done to get this to work with Vista.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
Of

> Claudiu Tufis
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:06 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Just an update and a question regarding Vista compatibility.
>
>
>
> I got a new computer with Vista, I installed SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 and

was
> able
> to license them using the authorization wizard without any problems.
>
> After a restart, both SPSS and AMOS stopped working, giving me a
license

> error message.
>
> I uninstalled both, reinstalled them again and asked for a trial
> license.
> Surprise . it worked.
>
>
>
> Right now I am able to run analyses using the trial license, which
> expires
> in 2 weeks. (The only incompatibility I found was that SPSS does not
> work
> with Vista's Aero interface and forces Vista to switch to the regular
> interface.)
>
> However, if I try to license the software using my license, the
> authorization wizard runs, it says authorization was successful, but

the
> license is not updated: both SPSS and AMOS remain on the trial
license.

>
>
>
> I called tech support and when they found out I was on a Vista system
> they
> did not even want to try and solve the problem.
>
> All the tech guy told me was basically "Kudos to you for managing to
> install
> and run SPSS with a trial license, but we do not support SPSS under
> Vista"
>
> His suggestion was to wait for SPSS 16 and buy the new version, a
> solution I
> find a little bit offensive.
>
> SPSS knew for a long time that Vista was coming but it seems like they
> did
> not eve try to make their product compatible with it. A very
> disappointing
> business attitude towards the customer.
>
>
>
> Did anyone manage to license SPSS 15 under Vista?
>
> Does anybody know if (and when) SPSS is going to come out with a patch
> that
> will make SPSS run under Vista?
>
> It seems like SPSS does not care very much about my problem (because I
> am
> just an individual user) but some of you may have a better

relationship

> with
> SPSS and my know more about this issue.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Claudiu Tufis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Claudiu Tufis
>
> Graduate student
>
>
>
> 314 Pond Laboratory
>
> Department of Political Science
>
> Penn State University
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> _______________________________________________
> This message was scanned for viruses prior to entering the Moen

network
>
>
>
_______________________________________________________________________
>
> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity
to
> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of,
or
> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or
> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you
received
> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from
any
> computer.
>
_______________________________________________________________________
>

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Claudiu Tufis

Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

In reply to this post by David Wasserman

The thing that bothers me the most is that SPSS 15 runs on Vista with a
trial license but I cannot update my license. This suggests to me that the
problem is not with SPSS but with the License Activation program they are
using.

For a company that claims to offer the best predictive solution, SPSS Inc.
failed miserably to predict that once Vista is available people would start
using it and they would still like to use the software they need.

The tech support was a joke. First he tried to explain to me that rewriting
the code for Vista would take months (what have they done until now - it's
not like they had to wait for a retail copy to see how to write code for
Vista) and then he offered me two solutions: either uninstall Vista and
downgrade to XP, or wait for SPSS 16. Seriously? Is this all they can come
up with?

Maybe it's time to rethink their approach to customer support.

Claudiu Tufis

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
David Wasserman
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:27 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

The tech support section of the SPSS web site states clearly that no version
of SPSS is compatible with Windows Vista. I experienced the same problems
as other have reported, and am unable to use SPSS 15.0 on my Home Vista
Premium desktop computer. I received no reply to an e-mail to SPSS tech
support.

Despite the web site, SPSS 13 seems to run ok under Vista. There are a
couple of error messages that come up on first opening SPSS, but analyses
and syntax that I tried ran correctly.

David Wasserman
Custom Data Analysis and SPSS Programming

----- Original Message -----
From: "Valdiserri, Colin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

Gary Barnes

Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

Your are blaming the wrong people. Who all of you should be upset with is
Microsoft and their arrogance. It costs companies millions of dollars to
rewrite code and they do not care about SPSS or you. The same problem exists
with QuickBooks. I am sure that there are lots of other companies who have
been hurt by Vista. Gary Barnes

On 3/5/07 3:42 PM, "Claudiu Tufis" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The thing that bothers me the most is that SPSS 15 runs on Vista with a
> trial license but I cannot update my license. This suggests to me that the
> problem is not with SPSS but with the License Activation program they are
> using.
>
> For a company that claims to offer the best predictive solution, SPSS Inc.
> failed miserably to predict that once Vista is available people would start
> using it and they would still like to use the software they need.
>
> The tech support was a joke. First he tried to explain to me that rewriting
> the code for Vista would take months (what have they done until now - it's
> not like they had to wait for a retail copy to see how to write code for
> Vista) and then he offered me two solutions: either uninstall Vista and
> downgrade to XP, or wait for SPSS 16. Seriously? Is this all they can come
> up with?
>
> Maybe it's time to rethink their approach to customer support.
>
> Claudiu Tufis
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> David Wasserman
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:27 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS
>
> The tech support section of the SPSS web site states clearly that no version
> of SPSS is compatible with Windows Vista. I experienced the same problems
> as other have reported, and am unable to use SPSS 15.0 on my Home Vista
> Premium desktop computer. I received no reply to an e-mail to SPSS tech
> support.
>
> Despite the web site, SPSS 13 seems to run ok under Vista. There are a
> couple of error messages that come up on first opening SPSS, but analyses
> and syntax that I tried ran correctly.
>
> David Wasserman
> Custom Data Analysis and SPSS Programming
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Valdiserri, Colin" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:10 PM
> Subject: Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS
>
>
>> I just ordered a notebook with Vista Business and will get the chance to
>> see if I can get SPSS to work on Vista.
>>
>> I agree, SPSS as well as all other software developers new this was
>> coming out, why can't they create a patch to work earlier versions with
>> Vista.
>>
>> I find it offensive too and reinforces the monopoly SPSS has and how
>> they plan to enjoy it.
>>
>> Something needs to be done to get this to work with Vista.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> Claudiu Tufis
>> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:06 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Just an update and a question regarding Vista compatibility.
>>
>>
>>
>> I got a new computer with Vista, I installed SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 and was
>> able
>> to license them using the authorization wizard without any problems.
>>
>> After a restart, both SPSS and AMOS stopped working, giving me a license
>> error message.
>>
>> I uninstalled both, reinstalled them again and asked for a trial
>> license.
>> Surprise . it worked.
>>
>>
>>
>> Right now I am able to run analyses using the trial license, which
>> expires
>> in 2 weeks. (The only incompatibility I found was that SPSS does not
>> work
>> with Vista's Aero interface and forces Vista to switch to the regular
>> interface.)
>>
>> However, if I try to license the software using my license, the
>> authorization wizard runs, it says authorization was successful, but the
>> license is not updated: both SPSS and AMOS remain on the trial license.
>>
>>
>>
>> I called tech support and when they found out I was on a Vista system
>> they
>> did not even want to try and solve the problem.
>>
>> All the tech guy told me was basically "Kudos to you for managing to
>> install
>> and run SPSS with a trial license, but we do not support SPSS under
>> Vista"
>>
>> His suggestion was to wait for SPSS 16 and buy the new version, a
>> solution I
>> find a little bit offensive.
>>
>> SPSS knew for a long time that Vista was coming but it seems like they
>> did
>> not eve try to make their product compatible with it. A very
>> disappointing
>> business attitude towards the customer.
>>
>>
>>
>> Did anyone manage to license SPSS 15 under Vista?
>>
>> Does anybody know if (and when) SPSS is going to come out with a patch
>> that
>> will make SPSS run under Vista?
>>
>> It seems like SPSS does not care very much about my problem (because I
>> am
>> just an individual user) but some of you may have a better relationship
>> with
>> SPSS and my know more about this issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Claudiu Tufis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> Claudiu Tufis
>>
>> Graduate student
>>
>>
>>
>> 314 Pond Laboratory
>>
>> Department of Political Science
>>
>> Penn State University
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> This message was scanned for viruses prior to entering the Moen network
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>>
>> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to
>> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
>> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or
>> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or
>> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received
>> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any
>> computer.
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>>

Muir Houston

Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

In reply to this post by Valdiserri, Colin

I find this all a bit unfair on SPSS when we consider just who we are
praising here - this is the lord of the blue screen - I wonder how many
security issues, bugs and the like are still to be resolved in VISTA
(like all his previous offerings) - so I for one am not surprised that
developers will treat each of his new releases with caution - what does
Vista add to the normal SPSS user? Apart from having to have at least a
gig of ram to run his ever increasing demands for memory consumption in
his products? (thereby leaving less for the actual computational tasks)

Muir Houston
Research Fellow
Institute of Education
University of Stirling
FK9 4LA

01786 46 7615

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Valdiserri, Colin
Sent: 05 March 2007 19:11
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

I just ordered a notebook with Vista Business and will get the chance to
see if I can get SPSS to work on Vista.

I agree, SPSS as well as all other software developers new this was
coming out, why can't they create a patch to work earlier versions with
Vista.

I find it offensive too and reinforces the monopoly SPSS has and how
they plan to enjoy it.

Something needs to be done to get this to work with Vista.

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Claudiu Tufis
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:06 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

Hi all,

Just an update and a question regarding Vista compatibility.

I got a new computer with Vista, I installed SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 and was
able
to license them using the authorization wizard without any problems.

After a restart, both SPSS and AMOS stopped working, giving me a license
error message.

I uninstalled both, reinstalled them again and asked for a trial
license.
Surprise . it worked.

Right now I am able to run analyses using the trial license, which
expires
in 2 weeks. (The only incompatibility I found was that SPSS does not
work
with Vista's Aero interface and forces Vista to switch to the regular
interface.)

However, if I try to license the software using my license, the
authorization wizard runs, it says authorization was successful, but the
license is not updated: both SPSS and AMOS remain on the trial license.

I called tech support and when they found out I was on a Vista system
they
did not even want to try and solve the problem.

All the tech guy told me was basically "Kudos to you for managing to
install
and run SPSS with a trial license, but we do not support SPSS under
Vista"

His suggestion was to wait for SPSS 16 and buy the new version, a
solution I
find a little bit offensive.

SPSS knew for a long time that Vista was coming but it seems like they
did
not eve try to make their product compatible with it. A very
disappointing
business attitude towards the customer.

Did anyone manage to license SPSS 15 under Vista?

Does anybody know if (and when) SPSS is going to come out with a patch
that
will make SPSS run under Vista?

It seems like SPSS does not care very much about my problem (because I
am
just an individual user) but some of you may have a better relationship
with
SPSS and my know more about this issue.

Best,

Claudiu Tufis

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Claudiu Tufis

Graduate student

314 Pond Laboratory

Department of Political Science

Penn State University

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Valdiserri, Colin

Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

I understand that SPSS is burdened by the introduction of Vista as is many other software companies. I owuld never upgarde to Vista this early toward its introduction.

But when you are buying new computers and you have no choice but to have Vista on them, the software companies need to have a solution. I do agree we need to blaim Microsoft first and foremost in the perfect world, but in this world, I have a new computer that I have to use for my job and my job requires SPSS.

________________________________

From: Muir Houston [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tue 3/6/2007 4:10 AM
To: Valdiserri, Colin; [hidden email]
Subject: RE: Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

I find this all a bit unfair on SPSS when we consider just who we are
praising here - this is the lord of the blue screen - I wonder how many
security issues, bugs and the like are still to be resolved in VISTA
(like all his previous offerings) - so I for one am not surprised that
developers will treat each of his new releases with caution - what does
Vista add to the normal SPSS user? Apart from having to have at least a
gig of ram to run his ever increasing demands for memory consumption in
his products? (thereby leaving less for the actual computational tasks)

Muir Houston
Research Fellow
Institute of Education
University of Stirling
FK9 4LA

01786 46 7615

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Valdiserri, Colin
Sent: 05 March 2007 19:11
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

I just ordered a notebook with Vista Business and will get the chance to
see if I can get SPSS to work on Vista.

I agree, SPSS as well as all other software developers new this was
coming out, why can't they create a patch to work earlier versions with
Vista.

I find it offensive too and reinforces the monopoly SPSS has and how
they plan to enjoy it.

Something needs to be done to get this to work with Vista.

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Claudiu Tufis
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:06 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

Hi all,

Just an update and a question regarding Vista compatibility.

I got a new computer with Vista, I installed SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 and was
able
to license them using the authorization wizard without any problems.

After a restart, both SPSS and AMOS stopped working, giving me a license
error message.

I uninstalled both, reinstalled them again and asked for a trial
license.
Surprise . it worked.

Right now I am able to run analyses using the trial license, which
expires
in 2 weeks. (The only incompatibility I found was that SPSS does not
work
with Vista's Aero interface and forces Vista to switch to the regular
interface.)

However, if I try to license the software using my license, the
authorization wizard runs, it says authorization was successful, but the
license is not updated: both SPSS and AMOS remain on the trial license.

I called tech support and when they found out I was on a Vista system
they
did not even want to try and solve the problem.

All the tech guy told me was basically "Kudos to you for managing to
install
and run SPSS with a trial license, but we do not support SPSS under
Vista"

His suggestion was to wait for SPSS 16 and buy the new version, a
solution I
find a little bit offensive.

SPSS knew for a long time that Vista was coming but it seems like they
did
not eve try to make their product compatible with it. A very
disappointing
business attitude towards the customer.

Did anyone manage to license SPSS 15 under Vista?

Does anybody know if (and when) SPSS is going to come out with a patch
that
will make SPSS run under Vista?

It seems like SPSS does not care very much about my problem (because I
am
just an individual user) but some of you may have a better relationship
with
SPSS and my know more about this issue.

Best,

Claudiu Tufis

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Claudiu Tufis

Graduate student

314 Pond Laboratory

Department of Political Science

Penn State University

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Ling Ting

Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

FYI...

For those who have vista and get into the software support issue, maybe
Virtual PC 2007 for Windows can be something to check into. It is
available for free download from:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx

I have run software on virtual pc before for testing purpose and it works
pretty well to meet my needs. I have not upgrade to vista, so I don't know
how it would work under vista, but thought it might be an alternative
option before software is supported to be run under vista. Just for your
information...

Ling

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On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Valdiserri, Colin wrote:

> I understand that SPSS is burdened by the introduction of Vista as is
> many other software companies. I owuld never upgarde to Vista this early
> toward its introduction.
>
> But when you are buying new computers and you have no choice but to
> have Vista on them, the software companies need to have a solution. I do
> agree we need to blaim Microsoft first and foremost in the perfect
> world, but in this world, I have a new computer that I have to use for
> my job and my job requires SPSS.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Muir Houston [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Tue 3/6/2007 4:10 AM
> To: Valdiserri, Colin; [hidden email]
> Subject: RE: Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS
>
>
>
> I find this all a bit unfair on SPSS when we consider just who we are
> praising here - this is the lord of the blue screen - I wonder how many
> security issues, bugs and the like are still to be resolved in VISTA
> (like all his previous offerings) - so I for one am not surprised that
> developers will treat each of his new releases with caution - what does
> Vista add to the normal SPSS user? Apart from having to have at least a
> gig of ram to run his ever increasing demands for memory consumption in
> his products? (thereby leaving less for the actual computational tasks)
>
> Muir Houston
> Research Fellow
> Institute of Education
> University of Stirling
> FK9 4LA
>
> 01786 46 7615
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Valdiserri, Colin
> Sent: 05 March 2007 19:11
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS
>
> I just ordered a notebook with Vista Business and will get the chance to
> see if I can get SPSS to work on Vista.
>
> I agree, SPSS as well as all other software developers new this was
> coming out, why can't they create a patch to work earlier versions with
> Vista.
>
> I find it offensive too and reinforces the monopoly SPSS has and how
> they plan to enjoy it.
>
> Something needs to be done to get this to work with Vista.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Claudiu Tufis
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:06 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Just an update and a question regarding Vista compatibility.
>
>
>
> I got a new computer with Vista, I installed SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 and was
> able
> to license them using the authorization wizard without any problems.
>
> After a restart, both SPSS and AMOS stopped working, giving me a license
> error message.
>
> I uninstalled both, reinstalled them again and asked for a trial
> license.
> Surprise . it worked.
>
>
>
> Right now I am able to run analyses using the trial license, which
> expires
> in 2 weeks. (The only incompatibility I found was that SPSS does not
> work
> with Vista's Aero interface and forces Vista to switch to the regular
> interface.)
>
> However, if I try to license the software using my license, the
> authorization wizard runs, it says authorization was successful, but the
> license is not updated: both SPSS and AMOS remain on the trial license.
>
>
>
> I called tech support and when they found out I was on a Vista system
> they
> did not even want to try and solve the problem.
>
> All the tech guy told me was basically "Kudos to you for managing to
> install
> and run SPSS with a trial license, but we do not support SPSS under
> Vista"
>
> His suggestion was to wait for SPSS 16 and buy the new version, a
> solution I
> find a little bit offensive.
>
> SPSS knew for a long time that Vista was coming but it seems like they
> did
> not eve try to make their product compatible with it. A very
> disappointing
> business attitude towards the customer.
>
>
>
> Did anyone manage to license SPSS 15 under Vista?
>
> Does anybody know if (and when) SPSS is going to come out with a patch
> that
> will make SPSS run under Vista?
>
> It seems like SPSS does not care very much about my problem (because I
> am
> just an individual user) but some of you may have a better relationship
> with
> SPSS and my know more about this issue.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Claudiu Tufis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Claudiu Tufis
>
> Graduate student
>
>
>
> 314 Pond Laboratory
>
> Department of Political Science
>
> Penn State University
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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Roberts, Michael

Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

In reply to this post by Valdiserri, Colin

Does anyone know whether Vista supports dual OS? If so, that could be
one solution for some listmembers in this dilemma!

HTH

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Valdiserri, Colin
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 12:54 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

I understand that SPSS is burdened by the introduction of Vista as is
many other software companies. I owuld never upgarde to Vista this early
toward its introduction.

But when you are buying new computers and you have no choice but to have
Vista on them, the software companies need to have a solution. I do
agree we need to blaim Microsoft first and foremost in the perfect
world, but in this world, I have a new computer that I have to use for
my job and my job requires SPSS.

________________________________

From: Muir Houston [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tue 3/6/2007 4:10 AM
To: Valdiserri, Colin; [hidden email]
Subject: RE: Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

I find this all a bit unfair on SPSS when we consider just who we are
praising here - this is the lord of the blue screen - I wonder how many
security issues, bugs and the like are still to be resolved in VISTA
(like all his previous offerings) - so I for one am not surprised that
developers will treat each of his new releases with caution - what does
Vista add to the normal SPSS user? Apart from having to have at least a
gig of ram to run his ever increasing demands for memory consumption in
his products? (thereby leaving less for the actual computational tasks)

Muir Houston
Research Fellow
Institute of Education
University of Stirling
FK9 4LA

01786 46 7615

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Valdiserri, Colin
Sent: 05 March 2007 19:11
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

I just ordered a notebook with Vista Business and will get the chance to
see if I can get SPSS to work on Vista.

I agree, SPSS as well as all other software developers new this was
coming out, why can't they create a patch to work earlier versions with
Vista.

I find it offensive too and reinforces the monopoly SPSS has and how
they plan to enjoy it.

Something needs to be done to get this to work with Vista.

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Claudiu Tufis
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:06 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

Hi all,

Just an update and a question regarding Vista compatibility.

I got a new computer with Vista, I installed SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 and was
able to license them using the authorization wizard without any
problems.

After a restart, both SPSS and AMOS stopped working, giving me a license
error message.

I uninstalled both, reinstalled them again and asked for a trial
license.
Surprise . it worked.

Right now I am able to run analyses using the trial license, which
expires in 2 weeks. (The only incompatibility I found was that SPSS does
not work with Vista's Aero interface and forces Vista to switch to the
regular
interface.)

However, if I try to license the software using my license, the
authorization wizard runs, it says authorization was successful, but the
license is not updated: both SPSS and AMOS remain on the trial license.

I called tech support and when they found out I was on a Vista system
they did not even want to try and solve the problem.

All the tech guy told me was basically "Kudos to you for managing to
install and run SPSS with a trial license, but we do not support SPSS
under Vista"

His suggestion was to wait for SPSS 16 and buy the new version, a
solution I find a little bit offensive.

SPSS knew for a long time that Vista was coming but it seems like they
did not eve try to make their product compatible with it. A very
disappointing business attitude towards the customer.

Did anyone manage to license SPSS 15 under Vista?

Does anybody know if (and when) SPSS is going to come out with a patch
that will make SPSS run under Vista?

It seems like SPSS does not care very much about my problem (because I
am just an individual user) but some of you may have a better
relationship with SPSS and my know more about this issue.

Best,

Claudiu Tufis

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Claudiu Tufis

Graduate student

314 Pond Laboratory

Department of Political Science

Penn State University

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Mark Casazza

Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS

Some versions of Vista will allow a dual boot configuration and some
wont (from what I've heard, I haven't played with the "home" versions).
But, you can set up dual boot with Linux if you use a Linux boot loader
(tested with Vista Ultimate). Also, you can run Vista Ultimate in
VMWare (what I'm currently doing for testing purposes). However, VMWare
is also preparing a suit against Microsoft for limitations on which
versions of Vista can be virtualized so.... I haven't tried it the
other way around, loading VMWare in Vista to test virtualizing other
operating systems, but from what I've been reading Vista doesn't play
nice with virtual machines so that wouldn't be my first option.

FWIW, SPSS 11.5 will run under WINE in Ubuntu 6.06 (I was playing around
a while back and loaded an old copy of SPSS to see what would happen) so
I would image the newer versions would work as well.

Mark

Roberts, Michael wrote:

> Does anyone know whether Vista supports dual OS? If so, that could be
> one solution for some listmembers in this dilemma!
>
> HTH
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Valdiserri, Colin
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 12:54 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS
>
> I understand that SPSS is burdened by the introduction of Vista as is
> many other software companies. I owuld never upgarde to Vista this early
> toward its introduction.
>
> But when you are buying new computers and you have no choice but to have
> Vista on them, the software companies need to have a solution. I do
> agree we need to blaim Microsoft first and foremost in the perfect
> world, but in this world, I have a new computer that I have to use for
> my job and my job requires SPSS.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Muir Houston [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Tue 3/6/2007 4:10 AM
> To: Valdiserri, Colin; [hidden email]
> Subject: RE: Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS
>
>
>
> I find this all a bit unfair on SPSS when we consider just who we are
> praising here - this is the lord of the blue screen - I wonder how many
> security issues, bugs and the like are still to be resolved in VISTA
> (like all his previous offerings) - so I for one am not surprised that
> developers will treat each of his new releases with caution - what does
> Vista add to the normal SPSS user? Apart from having to have at least a
> gig of ram to run his ever increasing demands for memory consumption in
> his products? (thereby leaving less for the actual computational tasks)
>
> Muir Houston
> Research Fellow
> Institute of Education
> University of Stirling
> FK9 4LA
>
> 01786 46 7615
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Valdiserri, Colin
> Sent: 05 March 2007 19:11
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS
>
> I just ordered a notebook with Vista Business and will get the chance to
> see if I can get SPSS to work on Vista.
>
> I agree, SPSS as well as all other software developers new this was
> coming out, why can't they create a patch to work earlier versions with
> Vista.
>
> I find it offensive too and reinforces the monopoly SPSS has and how
> they plan to enjoy it.
>
> Something needs to be done to get this to work with Vista.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Claudiu Tufis
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:06 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 under Vista OS
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Just an update and a question regarding Vista compatibility.
>
>
>
> I got a new computer with Vista, I installed SPSS 15 and AMOS 7 and was
> able to license them using the authorization wizard without any
> problems.
>
> After a restart, both SPSS and AMOS stopped working, giving me a license
> error message.
>
> I uninstalled both, reinstalled them again and asked for a trial
> license.
> Surprise . it worked.
>
>
>
> Right now I am able to run analyses using the trial license, which
> expires in 2 weeks. (The only incompatibility I found was that SPSS does
> not work with Vista's Aero interface and forces Vista to switch to the
> regular
> interface.)
>
> However, if I try to license the software using my license, the
> authorization wizard runs, it says authorization was successful, but the
> license is not updated: both SPSS and AMOS remain on the trial license.
>
>
>
> I called tech support and when they found out I was on a Vista system
> they did not even want to try and solve the problem.
>
> All the tech guy told me was basically "Kudos to you for managing to
> install and run SPSS with a trial license, but we do not support SPSS
> under Vista"
>
> His suggestion was to wait for SPSS 16 and buy the new version, a
> solution I find a little bit offensive.
>
> SPSS knew for a long time that Vista was coming but it seems like they
> did not eve try to make their product compatible with it. A very
> disappointing business attitude towards the customer.
>
>
>
> Did anyone manage to license SPSS 15 under Vista?
>
> Does anybody know if (and when) SPSS is going to come out with a patch
> that will make SPSS run under Vista?
>
> It seems like SPSS does not care very much about my problem (because I
> am just an individual user) but some of you may have a better
> relationship with SPSS and my know more about this issue.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Claudiu Tufis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Claudiu Tufis
>
> Graduate student
>
>
>
> 314 Pond Laboratory
>
> Department of Political Science
>
> Penn State University
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> _______________________________________________
> This message was scanned for viruses prior to entering the Moen network
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