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I am writing to ask if anyone on the list has experienced a similar problem and if so, how the problem was resolved. I recently installed SPSS 20 on my desktop computer, which runs Windows 7, 64. When I type code into the syntax editor, everything slows down after a few minutes (i.e. I type but there is a delay between typing and what appears on screen) and then eventually freezes. Even when the syntax editor unfreezes, I still cannot place the cursor where I need it, or delete code, or type any code without a delay. It simply becomes impossible to continue working in the document. When I try to save the document before closing it, I receive the message “Failed to save document”. I then close the document and reopen it, but the document is 100% empty. Also, the name I gave the document when I created it and saved it for the first time no longer appears in the upper left hand corner. Instead, the banner reads “IBM Statistics Syntax Editor” as if I had opened a new syntax document. I had this exact problem with SPSS 19 last year when my computer ran on Windows XP. The problem was solved once I downloaded and ran the patch to upgrade to 19.0.0.1. However, the SPSS 20 fix pack to upgrade to 20.0.0.1 (SPSS Stats 20.0 FP1 Win64 Client) does not solve this problem, and I haven’t had much luck with IBM technical support. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated. Dawn Wiest, Ph.D. Senior Research Analyst Research Center - 7th Floor American College of Physicians 190 North Independence Mall West Philadelphia, PA 19106-1572 [hidden email] (215) 351-2561 ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD |
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Hi, I don't experience all the problems you mention. I do however experience a lag between typing and the text appearing on the syntax (on SPSS v20). This is noticeable when the file size is large. For example, I have a syntax file which approaches 500MB with over 5000 lines of code. Simply typing and editing the code cause a delay for the action to be seen on the screen. If however opening a new empty syntax and typing no lag exists. And if you happen to make a typo and hit the undo button it takes an eternity for the undo to affect.
I have also disabled auto-complete to help with this but it doesn't really solve it. Maybe these additional features; colour coding of syntax, auto complete use up to much resources? I have no problems whatsoever if I go back working with the same syntax file on SPSS v15.
Sorry not an answer to your query but to re-iterate there is something serious wrong with the syntax editor and would welcome a response also. Jignesh
On 11 July 2012 16:34, Dawn Wiest <[hidden email]> wrote: Dear listserv, |
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Although I have often
had projects with over 5000 lines of code, especially if one
includes data definition, I never had all of that in one file.
How can you wrap your mind around all that syntax? How can your quality assurance process deal with that all in one chunk? Way back before INCLUDE was available, I often used a process of, syntax1 against datafile1 ==> systemfile1 syntax2 against systemfile1 ==> systemfile2 syntax3 against systemfile2 ==> systemfile3 etc. when I had several instruments which needed to be scored I did something like syntax1 against itemfile1 == >systemfile_with_scores_only1 syntax2 against itemfile2 == >systemfile_with_scores_only2 syntax3 against itemfile3 == >systemfile_with_scores_only3 syntax4 against itemfile4 == >systemfile_with_scores_only4 syntax5 combined the 4 system files into 1 working system file. The newer INSERT command made life even easier. I have blocks of syntax that do transformations and blocks that check on those transformations during debugging. Include file=" ... set1.sps". Include file=" ... checks1.sps". Include file=" ... set2.sps". Include file=" ... checks2.sps". the files with checks can be commented out as you build the file. Also if your syntax is most transformations, are you sure that you are not re-inventing something that already exists? Are you doing an analysis or setting up some kind of production application? Art Kendall Social Research ConsultantsOn 7/12/2012 4:09 AM, J Sutar wrote:
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@ Jignesh.
Some thoughts: You might wanr to look at the INSERT and INCLUDE commands. I'll bet there is considerable repetition. See DO REPEAT and DEFINE !ENDDEFINE and refactor the project. If you have tones of lines: IF (condition) blah ...... look at RECODE. I can't imagine how painful it is to scan through 5000 lines of code. Still it would NOT be 500M. YMMV.
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Sorry, yes your right, NOT 500MB but 500KB. The syntax file is in compact format as can be. I am using DO REPEAT/DEFINE/!ENDDEFINE wherever possible. Admittedly there are also instances within there where I have to use lines of IF or COMPUTE statements but these are unavoidable.
The syntax is in a very friendly format with clear commented headings for me to easily be able to navigate to using CTL+F (Find) referencing question numbers, that isn't an issue. And there also no need to break up the file into multiple bite size pieces, its more manageable and efficient (if SPSS allowed!) for me to keep all the commands in a single SPSS master syntax file.
Question is more the difficulty SPSS has with dealing with something as simple as a syntax? Especially when one has been using SPSS v15 without such issues and later new/upgraded version behave less efficiently...?
On 12 July 2012 14:00, David Marso <[hidden email]> wrote: @ Jignesh. |
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We’ll be getting 20 within a month and it is disheartening to hear about editor problems not fixed by patches. I’m curious whether something I encountered in 19 persists in 20. The problem is that pasting text into a line of correctly written syntax results in some part of the line to the right of the pasted text no longer being displayed. The complete text remains present but not completely displayed and will be displayed if, for example, I ‘arrow’ over it. For whatever it means, I run the editor with all the editing features turned off. I’m not asking for a response from anybody at spss about 19. I posted this six months or more ago and Jon responded. Leave it at that. I now curious about 20 Gene Maguin From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of J Sutar Sorry, yes your right, NOT 500MB but 500KB. The syntax file is in compact format as can be. I am using DO REPEAT/DEFINE/!ENDDEFINE wherever possible. Admittedly there are also instances within there where I have to use lines of IF or COMPUTE statements but these are unavoidable. The syntax is in a very friendly format with clear commented headings for me to easily be able to navigate to using CTL+F (Find) referencing question numbers, that isn't an issue. And there also no need to break up the file into multiple bite size pieces, its more manageable and efficient (if SPSS allowed!) for me to keep all the commands in a single SPSS master syntax file. Question is more the difficulty SPSS has with dealing with something as simple as a syntax? Especially when one has been using SPSS v15 without such issues and later new/upgraded version behave less efficiently...? On 12 July 2012 14:00, David Marso <[hidden email]> wrote: @ Jignesh. > > Hi, > > I don't experience all the problems you mention. I do however experience a > lag between typing and the text appearing on the syntax (on SPSS v20). > This > is noticeable when the file size is large. For example, I have a syntax > file which approaches 500MB with over 5000 lines of code. Simply typing > and > editing the code cause a delay for the action to be seen on the screen. If > however opening a new empty syntax and typing no lag exists. And if you > happen to make a typo and hit the undo button it takes an eternity for the > undo to affect. > > I have also disabled auto-complete to help with this but it doesn't really > solve it. Maybe these additional features; colour coding of syntax, auto > complete use up to much resources? I have no problems whatsoever if I go > back working with the same syntax file on SPSS v15. > > Sorry not an answer to your query but to re-iterate there is something > serious wrong with the syntax editor and would welcome a response also. > > Jignesh > > > On 11 July 2012 16:34, Dawn Wiest <DWiest@.acponline> wrote: >> (215) 351-2561 >> [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the >> command. To leave the list, send the command --
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Whatever works for you!
That is still fairly large. If my on screen code is more than 2-3 pages I feel compelled to break it down. I tend to organize complex projects in a modular fashion and directory structure accordingly. For any given project I clone the following and everything seems quite manageable. I have come onto projects where EVERYTHING has been done in a single folder and all code is in a single file. First pass... MOVE MOVE MOVE... CHOP CHOP CHOP... Sanity restored ;-))). Basic idea is once you have read the raw data and applied whatever transforms merges etc there is no need to run that ever again so archive that. Think Modularity and Process flow, Don't redo what has already been done. Projects - ProjectX - - Proposal_SOW_Contracts - - Documentation - - Syntax - - - Main - - - Macros - - - Scripts - - - Include - - - - DataImport - - - - DataTransform - - - - ProductionStats - - Data - - - Raw - - - SPSS - - - Export - - Output - - - SPSS - - - Exports - - - - Excel - - - - Other... - - DELIVERABLES -----------------------
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Let's be clear about the difference between
V15 and V20 in the Syntax Editor.
The newer SE does a tremendous amount of analysis of the syntax. In V15, it was just a plain text editor. Now the SE is parsing and validating the syntax as it is entered along with color coding and completion prompts. Sometimes this requires reparsing large amounts of code in order to account for block structure and very long commands as sometimes happens with, say VALUE LABELS. And with V20, runtime errors get tracked back to the error window in the SE, which can then jump to the line that caused it. We keep working on performance here, but the V20 SE is a completely different beast from the V15 SE. A 500K file is inevitably going to be a performance challenge for this, but IMO such files should be modularized for maintenance, understandability, and reuse totally apart from any performance issues. Note that judicious use of FILE HANDLE can keep a master syntax file from having to hardwire specific locations for the use of INSERT (or INCLUDE if you are old school), so you have a lot of flexibility in organizing these. Regards, Jon Peck (no "h") aka Kim Senior Software Engineer, IBM [hidden email] new phone: 720-342-5621 From: "Maguin, Eugene" <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Date: 07/12/2012 08:21 AM Subject: Re: [SPSSX-L] SPSS 20 - problem with syntax editor Sent by: "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <[hidden email]> We’ll be getting 20 within a month and it is disheartening to hear about editor problems not fixed by patches. I’m curious whether something I encountered in 19 persists in 20. The problem is that pasting text into a line of correctly written syntax results in some part of the line to the right of the pasted text no longer being displayed. The complete text remains present but not completely displayed and will be displayed if, for example, I ‘arrow’ over it. For whatever it means, I run the editor with all the editing features turned off. I’m not asking for a response from anybody at spss about 19. I posted this six months or more ago and Jon responded. Leave it at that. I now curious about 20 Gene Maguin From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of J Sutar Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 9:41 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: SPSS 20 - problem with syntax editor Sorry, yes your right, NOT 500MB but 500KB. The syntax file is in compact format as can be. I am using DO REPEAT/DEFINE/!ENDDEFINE wherever possible. Admittedly there are also instances within there where I have to use lines of IF or COMPUTE statements but these are unavoidable. The syntax is in a very friendly format with clear commented headings for me to easily be able to navigate to using CTL+F (Find) referencing question numbers, that isn't an issue. And there also no need to break up the file into multiple bite size pieces, its more manageable and efficient (if SPSS allowed!) for me to keep all the commands in a single SPSS master syntax file. Question is more the difficulty SPSS has with dealing with something as simple as a syntax? Especially when one has been using SPSS v15 without such issues and later new/upgraded version behave less efficiently...? On 12 July 2012 14:00, David Marso <david.marso@...> wrote: @ Jignesh. Some thoughts: You might wanr to look at the INSERT and INCLUDE commands. I'll bet there is considerable repetition. See DO REPEAT and DEFINE !ENDDEFINE and refactor the project. If you have tones of lines: IF (condition) blah ...... look at RECODE. I can't imagine how painful it is to scan through 5000 lines of code. Still it would NOT be 500M. YMMV. J Sutar wrote > > Hi, > > I don't experience all the problems you mention. I do however experience a > lag between typing and the text appearing on the syntax (on SPSS v20). > This > is noticeable when the file size is large. For example, I have a syntax > file which approaches 500MB with over 5000 lines of code. Simply typing > and > editing the code cause a delay for the action to be seen on the screen. If > however opening a new empty syntax and typing no lag exists. And if you > happen to make a typo and hit the undo button it takes an eternity for the > undo to affect. > > I have also disabled auto-complete to help with this but it doesn't really > solve it. Maybe these additional features; colour coding of syntax, auto > complete use up to much resources? I have no problems whatsoever if I go > back working with the same syntax file on SPSS v15. > > Sorry not an answer to your query but to re-iterate there is something > serious wrong with the syntax editor and would welcome a response also. > > Jignesh > > > On 11 July 2012 16:34, Dawn Wiest <DWiest@.acponline> wrote: > >> Dear listserv, >> >> I am writing to ask if anyone on the list has experienced a similar >> problem and if so, how the problem was resolved. I recently installed >> SPSS 20 on my desktop computer, which runs Windows 7, 64. When I type >> code into the syntax editor, everything slows down after a few minutes >> (i.e. I type but there is a delay between typing and what appears on >> screen) and then eventually freezes. Even when the syntax editor >> unfreezes, I still cannot place the cursor where I need it, or delete >> code, or type any code without a delay. It simply becomes impossible to >> continue working in the document. When I try to save the document before >> closing it, I receive the message “Failed to save document”. I then >> close the document and reopen it, but the document is 100% empty. Also, >> the name I gave the document when I created it and saved it for the >> first time no longer appears in the upper left hand corner. Instead, the >> banner reads “IBM Statistics Syntax Editor” as if I had opened a new >> syntax document. >> >> I had this exact problem with SPSS 19 last year when my computer ran on >> Windows XP. The problem was solved once I downloaded and ran the patch >> to upgrade to 19.0.0.1. However, the SPSS 20 fix pack to upgrade to >> 20.0.0.1 (SPSS Stats 20.0 FP1 Win64 Client) does not solve this problem, >> and I haven’t had much luck with IBM technical support. >> >> Any suggestions would be very much appreciated. >> >> >> Dawn Wiest, Ph.D. >> Senior Research Analyst >> Research Center - 7th Floor >> American College of Physicians >> 190 North Independence Mall West Philadelphia, PA 19106-1572 >> >> DWiest@.acponline >> (215) 351-2561 >> >> ===================== >> To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to >> LISTSERV@.UGA (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the >> command. 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Download the trial version and kick the tires ;-)
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Question re INSERT vs INCLUDE.
Sometimes when building MATRIX programs it is essential to partition the problem into smaller segments due to memory considerations. One approach is to use SPLIT FILE . However MATRIX will not do this in interactive mode. Using INCLUDE surmounts this issue. Does INSERT using /SYNTAX=BATCH behave the same? From the docs I would infer yes. eg: data list free / id a b c. begin data 1 2 3 4 2 4 5 6 3 7 8 9 end data. split file by id. ** contents of 'outer.sps'. matrix. get data / var a b c / file *. compute outer=T(data)*data . print outer . save outer / outfile *. end matrix. >Error # 14324 >MATRIX cannot do split-file processing in interactive mode. Run the job in >batch mode or process each split-file group separately. >This command not executed. **. INCLUDE 'c:\temp\outer.sps'. Run MATRIX procedure: OUTER 4 6 8 6 9 12 8 12 16 OUTER 16 20 24 20 25 30 24 30 36 OUTER 49 56 63 56 64 72 63 72 81 ------ END MATRIX -----
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I have no idea where this odd split file
limitation comes from in MATRIX, but I can confirm that using INSERT with
SYNTAX=BATCH does work.
Jon Peck (no "h") aka Kim Senior Software Engineer, IBM [hidden email] new phone: 720-342-5621 From: David Marso <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Date: 07/12/2012 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [SPSSX-L] SPSS 20 - problem with syntax editor Sent by: "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <[hidden email]> Question re INSERT vs INCLUDE. Sometimes when building MATRIX programs it is essential to partition the problem into smaller segments due to memory considerations. One approach is to use SPLIT FILE . However MATRIX will not do this in interactive mode. Using INCLUDE surmounts this issue. Does INSERT using /SYNTAX=BATCH behave the same? From the docs I would infer yes. eg: data list free / id a b c. begin data 1 2 3 4 2 4 5 6 3 7 8 9 end data. split file by id. ** contents of 'outer.sps'. matrix. get data / var a b c / file *. compute outer=T(data)*data . print outer . save outer / outfile *. end matrix. >Error # 14324 >MATRIX cannot do split-file processing in interactive mode. Run the job in >batch mode or process each split-file group separately. >This command not executed. **. INCLUDE 'c:\temp\outer.sps'. Run MATRIX procedure: OUTER 4 6 8 6 9 12 8 12 16 OUTER 16 20 24 20 25 30 24 30 36 OUTER 49 56 63 56 64 72 63 72 81 ------ END MATRIX ----- Jon K Peck wrote > > Let's be clear about the difference between V15 and V20 in the Syntax > Editor. > The newer SE does a tremendous amount of analysis of the syntax. In V15, > it was just a plain text editor. > Now the SE is parsing and validating the syntax as it is entered along > with color coding and completion prompts. Sometimes this requires > reparsing large amounts of code in order to account for block structure > and very long commands as sometimes happens with, say VALUE LABELS. And > with V20, runtime errors get tracked back to the error window in the SE, > which can then jump to the line that caused it. > > We keep working on performance here, but the V20 SE is a completely > different beast from the V15 SE. > A 500K file is inevitably going to be a performance challenge for this, > but IMO such files should be modularized for maintenance, > understandability, and reuse totally apart from any performance issues. > Note that judicious use of FILE HANDLE can keep a master syntax file from > having to hardwire specific locations for the use of INSERT (or INCLUDE if > you are old school), so you have a lot of flexibility in organizing > these. > > Regards, > > Jon Peck (no "h") aka Kim > Senior Software Engineer, IBM > peck@.ibm > new phone: 720-342-5621 > > > > > From: "Maguin, Eugene" <emaguin@> > To: SPSSX-L@.uga > Date: 07/12/2012 08:21 AM > Subject: Re: [SPSSX-L] SPSS 20 - problem with syntax editor > Sent by: "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <SPSSX-L@.uga> > > > > We’ll be getting 20 within a month and it is disheartening to hear about > editor problems not fixed by patches. > > I’m curious whether something I encountered in 19 persists in 20. The > problem is that pasting text into a line of correctly written syntax > results in some part of the line to the right of the pasted text no longer > being displayed. The complete text remains present but not completely > displayed and will be displayed if, for example, I ‘arrow’ over it. For > whatever it means, I run the editor with all the editing features turned > off. > > I’m not asking for a response from anybody at spss about 19. I posted this > six months or more ago and Jon responded. Leave it at that. I now curious > about 20 > > Gene Maguin > > > From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of J > Sutar > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 9:41 AM > To: SPSSX-L@.UGA > Subject: Re: SPSS 20 - problem with syntax editor > > Sorry, yes your right, NOT 500MB but 500KB. > > The syntax file is in compact format as can be. I am using DO > REPEAT/DEFINE/!ENDDEFINE wherever possible. > > Admittedly there are also instances within there where I have to use lines > of IF or COMPUTE statements but these are unavoidable. > > The syntax is in a very friendly format with clear commented headings for > me to easily be able to navigate to using CTL+F (Find) referencing > question numbers, that isn't an issue. And there also no need to break up > the file into multiple bite size pieces, its more manageable and efficient > (if SPSS allowed!) for me to keep all the commands in a single SPSS master > syntax file. > > Question is more the difficulty SPSS has with dealing with something as > simple as a syntax? > > Especially when one has been using SPSS v15 without such issues and later > new/upgraded version behave less efficiently...? > > > On 12 July 2012 14:00, David Marso <david.marso@> wrote: > @ Jignesh. > Some thoughts: > You might wanr to look at the INSERT and INCLUDE commands. > I'll bet there is considerable repetition. > See DO REPEAT and DEFINE !ENDDEFINE and refactor the project. > If you have tones of lines: > IF (condition) blah > ...... > look at RECODE. > I can't imagine how painful it is to scan through 5000 lines of code. > Still > it would NOT be 500M. > YMMV. > > J Sutar wrote >> >> Hi, >> >> I don't experience all the problems you mention. I do however experience > a >> lag between typing and the text appearing on the syntax (on SPSS v20). >> This >> is noticeable when the file size is large. For example, I have a syntax >> file which approaches 500MB with over 5000 lines of code. Simply typing >> and >> editing the code cause a delay for the action to be seen on the screen. > If >> however opening a new empty syntax and typing no lag exists. And if you >> happen to make a typo and hit the undo button it takes an eternity for > the >> undo to affect. >> >> I have also disabled auto-complete to help with this but it doesn't > really >> solve it. Maybe these additional features; colour coding of syntax, auto >> complete use up to much resources? I have no problems whatsoever if I go >> back working with the same syntax file on SPSS v15. >> >> Sorry not an answer to your query but to re-iterate there is something >> serious wrong with the syntax editor and would welcome a response also. >> >> Jignesh >> >> >> On 11 July 2012 16:34, Dawn Wiest <DWiest@.acponline> wrote: >> >>> Dear listserv, >>> >>> I am writing to ask if anyone on the list has experienced a similar >>> problem and if so, how the problem was resolved. I recently installed >>> SPSS 20 on my desktop computer, which runs Windows 7, 64. When I type >>> code into the syntax editor, everything slows down after a few minutes >>> (i.e. I type but there is a delay between typing and what appears on >>> screen) and then eventually freezes. Even when the syntax editor >>> unfreezes, I still cannot place the cursor where I need it, or delete >>> code, or type any code without a delay. It simply becomes impossible to >>> continue working in the document. When I try to save the document > before >>> closing it, I receive the message “Failed to save document”. I then >>> close the document and reopen it, but the document is 100% empty. Also, >>> the name I gave the document when I created it and saved it for the >>> first time no longer appears in the upper left hand corner. Instead, > the >>> banner reads “IBM Statistics Syntax Editor” as if I had opened a new >>> syntax document. >>> >>> I had this exact problem with SPSS 19 last year when my computer ran on >>> Windows XP. The problem was solved once I downloaded and ran the patch >>> to upgrade to 19.0.0.1. However, the SPSS 20 fix pack to upgrade to >>> 20.0.0.1 (SPSS Stats 20.0 FP1 Win64 Client) does not solve this > problem, >>> and I haven’t had much luck with IBM technical support. >>> >>> Any suggestions would be very much appreciated. >>> >>> >>> Dawn Wiest, Ph.D. >>> Senior Research Analyst >>> Research Center - 7th Floor >>> American College of Physicians >>> 190 North Independence Mall West Philadelphia, PA 19106-1572 >>> >>> DWiest@.acponline >>> (215) 351-2561 >>> >>> ===================== >>> To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to >>> LISTSERV@.UGA (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the >>> command. To leave the list, send the command >>> SIGNOFF SPSSX-L >>> For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command >>> INFO REFCARD >>> >> > > -- > View this message in context: > http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/SPSS-20-problem-with-syntax-editor-tp5714136p5714161.html > > Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ===================== > To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to > LISTSERV@.UGA (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the > command. 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Thanks Jon,
I might be needing that soon (good to know). While we are on the subject of the Syntax editor I would like to propose an enhancement. Hierarchical Collapsible Regions and dynamic viewing of INSERTED code Let's say I have a mass of code consisting of raw data import, a mass of file merges 10 sets of independent calculations. I would like to be able to tag the file as follows <data> <data1> data list file 1 blah blah SAVE file1. </data1> <data2> ......... </datak><merge> ADD FILES .......... MATCH FILES...... ..... ..... VARSTOCASES ..... </merge> </rawdata> <transforms> <transforms1> compute blah blah. ......... </transforms1> .... </transforms> </data> Rather than show ALL of the syntax it would show me a tree of the nodes and the nested child nodes. Clicking would expand the syntax. If one clicks on an INSERT or INCLUDE it should open the referenced file in a child window. Just my thoughts ;-) I built precisely this sort of application for a consulting client about 10 years ago using VB6. These days I'd probably go with VB.Net or C# and use WPF for the GUI . It was love at first sight!
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The syntax window outline does provide
some support similar to this, but it does not open up insert files, which
would be nice, and it does not have a collapse feature, which would also
be nice.
Jon Peck (no "h") aka Kim Senior Software Engineer, IBM [hidden email] new phone: 720-342-5621 From: David Marso <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Date: 07/12/2012 07:16 PM Subject: Re: [SPSSX-L] SPSS 20 - problem with syntax editor Sent by: "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <[hidden email]> Thanks Jon, I might be needing that soon (good to know). While we are on the subject of the Syntax editor I would like to propose an enhancement. Hierarchical Collapsible Regions and dynamic viewing of INSERTED code Let's say I have a mass of code consisting of raw data import, a mass of file merges 10 sets of independent calculations. I would like to be able to tag the file as follows <data> <merge> ADD FILES .......... MATCH FILES...... ..... ..... VARSTOCASES ..... </merge> </rawdata> <transforms> <transforms1> compute blah blah. ......... </transforms1> .... </transforms> </data> Rather than show ALL of the syntax it would show me a tree of the nodes and the nested child nodes. Clicking would expand the syntax. If one clicks on an INSERT or INCLUDE it should open the referenced file in a child window. Just my thoughts ;-) I built precisely this sort of application for a consulting client about 10 years ago using VB6. These days I'd probably go with VB.Net or C# and use WPF for the GUI . It was love at first sight! Jon K Peck wrote > > I have no idea where this odd split file limitation comes from in MATRIX, > but I can confirm that using INSERT with SYNTAX=BATCH does work. > > Jon Peck (no "h") aka Kim > Senior Software Engineer, IBM > peck@.ibm > new phone: 720-342-5621 > > > > > From: David Marso <david.marso@> > To: SPSSX-L@.uga > Date: 07/12/2012 10:29 AM > Subject: Re: [SPSSX-L] SPSS 20 - problem with syntax editor > Sent by: "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <SPSSX-L@.uga> > > > > Question re INSERT vs INCLUDE. > Sometimes when building MATRIX programs it is essential to partition the > problem into smaller segments due to memory considerations. One approach > is > to use SPLIT FILE . However MATRIX will not do this in interactive mode. > Using INCLUDE surmounts this issue. Does INSERT using /SYNTAX=BATCH > behave > the same? From the docs I would infer yes. > eg: > data list free / id a b c. > begin data > 1 2 3 4 > 2 4 5 6 > 3 7 8 9 > end data. > split file by id. > ** contents of 'outer.sps'. > matrix. > get data / var a b c / file *. > compute outer=T(data)*data . > print outer . > save outer / outfile *. > end matrix. > >>Error # 14324 >>MATRIX cannot do split-file processing in interactive mode. Run the job > in >>batch mode or process each split-file group separately. >>This command not executed. > > **. > INCLUDE 'c:\temp\outer.sps'. > > Run MATRIX procedure: > > OUTER > 4 6 8 > 6 9 12 > 8 12 16 > > OUTER > 16 20 24 > 20 25 30 > 24 30 36 > > OUTER > 49 56 63 > 56 64 72 > 63 72 81 > > ------ END MATRIX ----- > > > > Jon K Peck wrote >> >> Let's be clear about the difference between V15 and V20 in the Syntax >> Editor. >> The newer SE does a tremendous amount of analysis of the syntax. In > V15, >> it was just a plain text editor. >> Now the SE is parsing and validating the syntax as it is entered along >> with color coding and completion prompts. Sometimes this requires >> reparsing large amounts of code in order to account for block structure >> and very long commands as sometimes happens with, say VALUE LABELS. And >> with V20, runtime errors get tracked back to the error window in the SE, >> which can then jump to the line that caused it. >> >> We keep working on performance here, but the V20 SE is a completely >> different beast from the V15 SE. >> A 500K file is inevitably going to be a performance challenge for this, >> but IMO such files should be modularized for maintenance, >> understandability, and reuse totally apart from any performance issues. >> Note that judicious use of FILE HANDLE can keep a master syntax file > from >> having to hardwire specific locations for the use of INSERT (or INCLUDE > if >> you are old school), so you have a lot of flexibility in organizing >> these. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jon Peck (no "h") aka Kim >> Senior Software Engineer, IBM >> peck@.ibm >> new phone: 720-342-5621 >> >> >> >> >> From: "Maguin, Eugene" <emaguin@> >> To: SPSSX-L@.uga >> Date: 07/12/2012 08:21 AM >> Subject: Re: [SPSSX-L] SPSS 20 - problem with syntax editor >> Sent by: "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <SPSSX-L@.uga> >> >> >> >> We’ll be getting 20 within a month and it is disheartening to hear about >> editor problems not fixed by patches. >> >> I’m curious whether something I encountered in 19 persists in 20. The >> problem is that pasting text into a line of correctly written syntax >> results in some part of the line to the right of the pasted text no > longer >> being displayed. The complete text remains present but not completely >> displayed and will be displayed if, for example, I ‘arrow’ over it. For >> whatever it means, I run the editor with all the editing features turned >> off. >> >> I’m not asking for a response from anybody at spss about 19. I posted > this >> six months or more ago and Jon responded. Leave it at that. I now > curious >> about 20 >> >> Gene Maguin >> >> >> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of J >> Sutar >> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 9:41 AM >> To: SPSSX-L@.UGA >> Subject: Re: SPSS 20 - problem with syntax editor >> >> Sorry, yes your right, NOT 500MB but 500KB. >> >> The syntax file is in compact format as can be. I am using DO >> REPEAT/DEFINE/!ENDDEFINE wherever possible. >> >> Admittedly there are also instances within there where I have to use > lines >> of IF or COMPUTE statements but these are unavoidable. >> >> The syntax is in a very friendly format with clear commented headings > for >> me to easily be able to navigate to using CTL+F (Find) referencing >> question numbers, that isn't an issue. And there also no need to break > up >> the file into multiple bite size pieces, its more manageable and > efficient >> (if SPSS allowed!) for me to keep all the commands in a single SPSS > master >> syntax file. >> >> Question is more the difficulty SPSS has with dealing with something as >> simple as a syntax? >> >> Especially when one has been using SPSS v15 without such issues and > later >> new/upgraded version behave less efficiently...? >> >> >> On 12 July 2012 14:00, David Marso <david.marso@> wrote: >> @ Jignesh. >> Some thoughts: >> You might wanr to look at the INSERT and INCLUDE commands. >> I'll bet there is considerable repetition. >> See DO REPEAT and DEFINE !ENDDEFINE and refactor the project. >> If you have tones of lines: >> IF (condition) blah >> ...... >> look at RECODE. >> I can't imagine how painful it is to scan through 5000 lines of code. >> Still >> it would NOT be 500M. >> YMMV. >> >> J Sutar wrote >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I don't experience all the problems you mention. I do however > experience >> a >>> lag between typing and the text appearing on the syntax (on SPSS v20). >>> This >>> is noticeable when the file size is large. For example, I have a syntax >>> file which approaches 500MB with over 5000 lines of code. Simply typing >>> and >>> editing the code cause a delay for the action to be seen on the screen. >> If >>> however opening a new empty syntax and typing no lag exists. And if you >>> happen to make a typo and hit the undo button it takes an eternity for >> the >>> undo to affect. >>> >>> I have also disabled auto-complete to help with this but it doesn't >> really >>> solve it. Maybe these additional features; colour coding of syntax, > auto >>> complete use up to much resources? I have no problems whatsoever if I > go >>> back working with the same syntax file on SPSS v15. >>> >>> Sorry not an answer to your query but to re-iterate there is something >>> serious wrong with the syntax editor and would welcome a response also. >>> >>> Jignesh >>> >>> >>> On 11 July 2012 16:34, Dawn Wiest <DWiest@.acponline> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear listserv, >>>> >>>> I am writing to ask if anyone on the list has experienced a similar >>>> problem and if so, how the problem was resolved. I recently installed >>>> SPSS 20 on my desktop computer, which runs Windows 7, 64. When I type >>>> code into the syntax editor, everything slows down after a few minutes >>>> (i.e. I type but there is a delay between typing and what appears on >>>> screen) and then eventually freezes. Even when the syntax editor >>>> unfreezes, I still cannot place the cursor where I need it, or delete >>>> code, or type any code without a delay. It simply becomes impossible > to >>>> continue working in the document. When I try to save the document >> before >>>> closing it, I receive the message “Failed to save document”. I then >>>> close the document and reopen it, but the document is 100% empty. > Also, >>>> the name I gave the document when I created it and saved it for the >>>> first time no longer appears in the upper left hand corner. Instead, >> the >>>> banner reads “IBM Statistics Syntax Editor” as if I had opened a new >>>> syntax document. >>>> >>>> I had this exact problem with SPSS 19 last year when my computer ran > on >>>> Windows XP. The problem was solved once I downloaded and ran the patch >>>> to upgrade to 19.0.0.1. However, the SPSS 20 fix pack to upgrade to >>>> 20.0.0.1 (SPSS Stats 20.0 FP1 Win64 Client) does not solve this >> problem, >>>> and I haven’t had much luck with IBM technical support. >>>> >>>> Any suggestions would be very much appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>> Dawn Wiest, Ph.D. >>>> Senior Research Analyst >>>> Research Center - 7th Floor >>>> American College of Physicians >>>> 190 North Independence Mall West Philadelphia, PA 19106-1572 >>>> >>>> DWiest@.acponline >>>> (215) 351-2561 >>>> >>>> ===================== >>>> To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to >>>> LISTSERV@.UGA (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the >>>> command. 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Well,
It seems the same issues persist in version 21. Extreme lags. Say I want to build a comment block /*******************************************/. /**Macro EatMe Does whatever the heck **/ /** Inputs: FirstBornChild, **/. /** Outputs:BountifulHarvest **/. /** Possible Errors: HellFreezesOver **/. /** Side Effects: None (that I know of) **/. /*******************************************/. /** This is a comment block with asterisks aligned **/. /** To make it stand out and look really well **/. /** documented. Unfortunately, the entire thing **/. /** Freezes for NO good reason while holding **/. /** SHIFT-8, taking a LONG time to type anything **/. /** If this were in COURIER it would probably look **/. /** nicely aligned: Who the hell programmed this **/. /** Maybe banish them to QA or Teksport for a month **/. /*******************************************/. DEFINE EATME ( FirstBornChild !TOKENS(1) / BountifulHarvest !TOKENS(1) ). !DO !STUFF !IN (!FirstBornChild ) !CONCAT (!STUFF,'IT') !DOEND !ENDDEFINE .
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See the following link
http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21484724 This is actually functioning as designed. If you have large syntax files and you would like to have no delay when entering new commands you have to deactivate more options than you have already in order to have a Text Editor behavior in the Syntax Editor. If you turn off the options you will have no delay in the Syntax Editor. On the Syntax Editor tab of the Edit - Options menu please deactivate: 1) Turn off 'Display syntax color coding' 2) Turn off 'Display validation color coding' 3) Turn off 'Automatically display the auto-complete control' 4) Turn off 'Display command spans' Also you need to hide the navigation pane, this can be done in the Edit Options menu as well 5) Turn off 'Display the navigation pane OR simply deselect the menu option View->Show Navigation Pane
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