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aquabunny101
Hi,

I'm a final year undergraduate student who is a little lost trying to add and alter syntax in SPSS and I'm hoping someone will please be kind enough to help me? Sorry in advance for any poor statistical language usage... it's all a little new to me so here goes;

I'm attempting to work out the level of agreement between multiple raters up to 15 regarding up to 13 different patients. I believe that due to the level of my data Fleiss Kappa is the best option for me. I have the syntax master command but I have no idea how to alter the coding to fit my requirements... Does anyone have a walk through or could provide me with any help at all as I'm terribly confused!

Thank you all in advance

Kate
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Re: SYNTAX NOVICE: Fleiss Kappa in SPSS PLEASE HELP!

David Marso
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"I have the syntax master command but I have no idea how to alter the coding to fit my requirements"
What does this mean?  Please be very specific.
This topic has been discussed recently please review that thread from a few weeks ago.

aquabunny101 wrote
Hi,

I'm a final year undergraduate student who is a little lost trying to add and alter syntax in SPSS and I'm hoping someone will please be kind enough to help me? Sorry in advance for any poor statistical language usage... it's all a little new to me so here goes;

I'm attempting to work out the level of agreement between multiple raters up to 15 regarding up to 13 different patients. I believe that due to the level of my data Fleiss Kappa is the best option for me. I have the syntax master command but I have no idea how to alter the coding to fit my requirements... Does anyone have a walk through or could provide me with any help at all as I'm terribly confused!

Thank you all in advance

Kate
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RE: SYNTAX NOVICE: Fleiss Kappa in SPSS PLEASE HELP!

aquabunny101
Hi David,

Thank you for getting back to me... I looked through most of the old threads before signing up but I couldn't find anything that A) I could understand and/or B) that answered my question so sorry if it has already been discussed else where.

I have found the standard MACRO release supplied by IBM/SPSS for multi-rater agreement analyses, however, I don't know how to alter the coding to fit my parameters;

As an example, in one data set I have 15 raters all rating 12 patients according to 4 categories (treatment A, treatment B etc). I'm unsure how to instruct SPSS to compute this for me.

Any help at all appreciated as I feel as though I'm attempting to read an alien language.

Warm wishes

Kate



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From: David Marso [via SPSSX Discussion]
Sent: 01/02/2013 00:57
To: aquabunny101
Subject: Re: SYNTAX NOVICE: Fleiss Kappa in SPSS PLEASE HELP!

"I have the syntax master command but I have no idea how to alter the coding to fit my requirements"
What does this mean?  Please be very specific.
This topic has been discussed recently please review that thread from a few weeks ago.

aquabunny101 wrote
Hi,

I'm a final year undergraduate student who is a little lost trying to add and alter syntax in SPSS and I'm hoping someone will please be kind enough to help me? Sorry in advance for any poor statistical language usage... it's all a little new to me so here goes;

I'm attempting to work out the level of agreement between multiple raters up to 15 regarding up to 13 different patients. I believe that due to the level of my data Fleiss Kappa is the best option for me. I have the syntax master command but I have no idea how to alter the coding to fit my requirements... Does anyone have a walk through or could provide me with any help at all as I'm terribly confused!

Thank you all in advance

Kate
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Re: SYNTAX NOVICE: Fleiss Kappa in SPSS PLEASE HELP!

bdates

Kate,

 

I have a macro for Fleiss.  Perhaps that's the one to which you're referring.  I can send it to you offline because the listserv does not accept attachments.  I'm going to upload it, along with several others, to SPSS Developer Central in the next few days so it will be available to everyone.  I think your problem is not adjusting the syntax as much as understanding how interrater agreement statistics work, not just Fleiss but others as well.  Using your example and the macro you have (I think), the raters are columns, the patients rows, and the categories to which the raters assign the patients are in the cells.  The macro uses a matrix approach, so string variables (e.g., A, B, etc.) will not work.  You'll need to use 1 for A, 2 for B, and so on, and then translate back to the strings. Cases/subjects having missing data will be eliminated from the analyses.  All the most used statistics (e.g., Cohen, Fleiss, Krippendorf) do not deal with missing data.

 

I should be in my office tomorrow and can forward that to you.

 

Brian


From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [[hidden email]] on behalf of aquabunny101 [[hidden email]]
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Subject: Re: SYNTAX NOVICE: Fleiss Kappa in SPSS PLEASE HELP!

Hi David,

Thank you for getting back to me... I looked through most of the old threads before signing up but I couldn't find anything that A) I could understand and/or B) that answered my question so sorry if it has already been discussed else where.

I have found the standard MACRO release supplied by IBM/SPSS for multi-rater agreement analyses, however, I don't know how to alter the coding to fit my parameters;

As an example, in one data set I have 15 raters all rating 12 patients according to 4 categories (treatment A, treatment B etc). I'm unsure how to instruct SPSS to compute this for me.

Any help at all appreciated as I feel as though I'm attempting to read an alien language.

Warm wishes

Kate



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From: David Marso [via SPSSX Discussion]
Sent: 01/02/2013 00:57
To: aquabunny101
Subject: Re: SYNTAX NOVICE: Fleiss Kappa in SPSS PLEASE HELP!

"I have the syntax master command but I have no idea how to alter the coding to fit my requirements"
What does this mean?  Please be very specific.
This topic has been discussed recently please review that thread from a few weeks ago.

aquabunny101 wrote
Hi,

I'm a final year undergraduate student who is a little lost trying to add and alter syntax in SPSS and I'm hoping someone will please be kind enough to help me? Sorry in advance for any poor statistical language usage... it's all a little new to me so here goes;

I'm attempting to work out the level of agreement between multiple raters up to 15 regarding up to 13 different patients. I believe that due to the level of my data Fleiss Kappa is the best option for me. I have the syntax master command but I have no idea how to alter the coding to fit my requirements... Does anyone have a walk through or could provide me with any help at all as I'm terribly confused!

Thank you all in advance

Kate
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Re: SYNTAX NOVICE: Fleiss Kappa in SPSS PLEASE HELP!

John F Hall

Kate

 

Brian has already answered on the Fleiss issue, but since you’re a novice user you might like to check out the syntax-based SPSS tutorials on my website.  I know it’s only for an undergraduate project, but SPSS will stand you in good stead in the job market in future.  The course is based on the latest version (1991-92) of one taught to my undergrad BSc Social Research students, four of whom now hold full Chairs in UK universities.  There’s nothing yet on hypothesis testing or modelling, but there’s plenty on data capture, data management and first steps in analysis.

 

 

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[retired academic survey researcher]

 

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Website: www.surveyresearch.weebly.com

 

 

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: SYNTAX NOVICE: Fleiss Kappa in SPSS PLEASE HELP!

 

Kate,

 

I have a macro for Fleiss.  Perhaps that's the one to which you're referring.  I can send it to you offline because the listserv does not accept attachments.  I'm going to upload it, along with several others, to SPSS Developer Central in the next few days so it will be available to everyone.  I think your problem is not adjusting the syntax as much as understanding how interrater agreement statistics work, not just Fleiss but others as well.  Using your example and the macro you have (I think), the raters are columns, the patients rows, and the categories to which the raters assign the patients are in the cells.  The macro uses a matrix approach, so string variables (e.g., A, B, etc.) will not work.  You'll need to use 1 for A, 2 for B, and so on, and then translate back to the strings. Cases/subjects having missing data will be eliminated from the analyses.  All the most used statistics (e.g., Cohen, Fleiss, Krippendorf) do not deal with missing data.

 

I should be in my office tomorrow and can forward that to you.

 

Brian


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Subject: Re: SYNTAX NOVICE: Fleiss Kappa in SPSS PLEASE HELP!

Hi David,

Thank you for getting back to me... I looked through most of the old threads before signing up but I couldn't find anything that A) I could understand and/or B) that answered my question so sorry if it has already been discussed else where.

I have found the standard MACRO release supplied by IBM/SPSS for multi-rater agreement analyses, however, I don't know how to alter the coding to fit my parameters;

As an example, in one data set I have 15 raters all rating 12 patients according to 4 categories (treatment A, treatment B etc). I'm unsure how to instruct SPSS to compute this for me.

Any help at all appreciated as I feel as though I'm attempting to read an alien language.

Warm wishes

Kate



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From: David Marso [via SPSSX Discussion]
Sent: 01/02/2013 00:57
To: aquabunny101
Subject: Re: SYNTAX NOVICE: Fleiss Kappa in SPSS PLEASE HELP!

"I have the syntax master command but I have no idea how to alter the coding to fit my requirements"
What does this mean?  Please be very specific.
This topic has been discussed recently please review that thread from a few weeks ago.

aquabunny101 wrote

Hi,

I'm a final year undergraduate student who is a little lost trying to add and alter syntax in SPSS and I'm hoping someone will please be kind enough to help me? Sorry in advance for any poor statistical language usage... it's all a little new to me so here goes;

I'm attempting to work out the level of agreement between multiple raters up to 15 regarding up to 13 different patients. I believe that due to the level of my data Fleiss Kappa is the best option for me. I have the syntax master command but I have no idea how to alter the coding to fit my requirements... Does anyone have a walk through or could provide me with any help at all as I'm terribly confused!

Thank you all in advance

Kate

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aquabunny101
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Hi Brian & John,

Thank you so very much! I would really appreciate anything you have that might assist me in this! 

I have changed everything to numerical, however, I had SPSS set up with raters in rows and not columns so I have corrected this (thank you). I'm just unsure how I 'tell' SPSS that I have 15 raters that I want it to compare between. Hopefully, with the information both you and John have been kind enough to provide I will be able to figure it out. I'm working though the information on John page as we speak.

I also want to thank you both for taking the time to answer my question and for being kind, despite my severer lack of SPSS confidence and knowledge of syntax!

Warmest Wishes

Kate 

Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:48:36 -0800
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Subject: Re: SYNTAX NOVICE: Fleiss Kappa in SPSS PLEASE HELP!

Kate,
 
I have a macro for Fleiss.  Perhaps that's the one to which you're referring.  I can send it to you offline because the listserv does not accept attachments.  I'm going to upload it, along with several others, to SPSS Developer Central in the next few days so it will be available to everyone.  I think your problem is not adjusting the syntax as much as understanding how interrater agreement statistics work, not just Fleiss but others as well.  Using your example and the macro you have (I think), the raters are columns, the patients rows, and the categories to which the raters assign the patients are in the cells.  The macro uses a matrix approach, so string variables (e.g., A, B, etc.) will not work.  You'll need to use 1 for A, 2 for B, and so on, and then translate back to the strings. Cases/subjects having missing data will be eliminated from the analyses.  All the most used statistics (e.g., Cohen, Fleiss, Krippendorf) do not deal with missing data.
 
I should be in my office tomorrow and can forward that to you.
 
Brian

From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [[hidden email]] on behalf of aquabunny101 [[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:30 PM
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Subject: Re: SYNTAX NOVICE: Fleiss Kappa in SPSS PLEASE HELP!

Hi David,

Thank you for getting back to me... I looked through most of the old threads before signing up but I couldn't find anything that A) I could understand and/or B) that answered my question so sorry if it has already been discussed else where.

I have found the standard MACRO release supplied by IBM/SPSS for multi-rater agreement analyses, however, I don't know how to alter the coding to fit my parameters;

As an example, in one data set I have 15 raters all rating 12 patients according to 4 categories (treatment A, treatment B etc). I'm unsure how to instruct SPSS to compute this for me.

Any help at all appreciated as I feel as though I'm attempting to read an alien language.

Warm wishes

Kate



Sent from my Windows Phone

From: David Marso [via SPSSX Discussion]
Sent: 01/02/2013 00:57
To: aquabunny101
Subject: Re: SYNTAX NOVICE: Fleiss Kappa in SPSS PLEASE HELP!

"I have the syntax master command but I have no idea how to alter the coding to fit my requirements"
What does this mean?  Please be very specific.
This topic has been discussed recently please review that thread from a few weeks ago.

aquabunny101 wrote
Hi,

I'm a final year undergraduate student who is a little lost trying to add and alter syntax in SPSS and I'm hoping someone will please be kind enough to help me? Sorry in advance for any poor statistical language usage... it's all a little new to me so here goes;

I'm attempting to work out the level of agreement between multiple raters up to 15 regarding up to 13 different patients. I believe that due to the level of my data Fleiss Kappa is the best option for me. I have the syntax master command but I have no idea how to alter the coding to fit my requirements... Does anyone have a walk through or could provide me with any help at all as I'm terribly confused!

Thank you all in advance

Kate
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