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Does anyone know offhand of a website with a brief article on choosing
post-hoc tests? -- Art Kendall Social Research Consultants ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD
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Googling "Post Hoc tests" renders page upon page of variable quality results.
Googling Relative conservatism of post hoc tests the same but a few links down I spot the names of two credible authors (Keppel and Wickens) in Stats, so here goes: You will probably find tons of good info with selective search strings. http://www.skidmore.edu/~hfoley/Handouts/K.Ch6.notes.pdf --
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Googling Mathematical Analysis of post hoc tests yields the following somewhat more comprehensive and also fairly technical exposition:
http://www.iasri.res.in/iasriwebsite/DESIGNOFEXPAPPLICATION/Electronic-Book/Module%202/9multiple%20comparison.pdf
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Art, here are my notes on MC Procedures for a psychology stats class:
http://www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir/notes/multcomp.pdf http://www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir/notes/mcflow.pdf They cover most of the basic old-school methods, but not the more recent variations on them. (If I ever get time to revise, maybe I'll incorporate some of that stuff.) HTH.
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Hi Bruce,
Thank you for making your notes available. Steve -----Original Message----- From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bruce Weaver Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:48 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: URL with good brief intro to choosing post-hoc tests Art, here are my notes on MC Procedures for a psychology stats class: http://www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir/notes/multcomp.pdf http://www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir/notes/mcflow.pdf They cover most of the basic old-school methods, but not the more recent variations on them. (If I ever get time to revise, maybe I'll incorporate some of that stuff.) HTH. David Marso wrote > > Googling "Post Hoc tests" renders page upon page of variable quality > results. > Googling Relative conservatism of post hoc tests the same but a few > links down I spot the names of two credible authors (Keppel and > Wickens) in Stats, so here goes: You will probably find tons of good > info with selective search strings. > http://www.skidmore.edu/~hfoley/Handouts/K.Ch6.notes.pdf > -- > > Art Kendall wrote >> >> Does anyone know offhand of a website with a brief article on >> choosing post-hoc tests? >> >> -- >> Art Kendall >> Social Research Consultants >> >> ===================== >> To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to >> LISTSERV@.UGA (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. >> To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of >> commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD >> > ----- -- Bruce Weaver [hidden email] http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/ "When all else fails, RTFM." NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly. To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above. -- View this message in context: http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/URL-with-good-brief-intro-to-choosing-post-hoc-tests-tp5714805p5714819.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD |
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Yes, thanks!
On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Salbod, Mr. Stephen wrote: Hi Bruce, Thank you for making your notes available. Steve -----Original Message----- From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bruce Weaver Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:48 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: URL with good brief intro to choosing post-hoc tests Art, here are my notes on MC Procedures for a psychology stats class: http://www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir/notes/multcomp.pdf http://www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir/notes/mcflow.pdf They cover most of the basic old-school methods, but not the more recent variations on them. (If I ever get time to revise, maybe I'll incorporate some of that stuff.) HTH. David Marso wrote Googling "Post Hoc tests" renders page upon page of variable quality results. Googling Relative conservatism of post hoc tests the same but a few links down I spot the names of two credible authors (Keppel and Wickens) in Stats, so here goes: You will probably find tons of good info with selective search strings. http://www.skidmore.edu/~hfoley/Handouts/K.Ch6.notes.pdf -- Art Kendall wrote Does anyone know offhand of a website with a brief article on choosing post-hoc tests? -- Art Kendall Social Research Consultants ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to LISTSERV@.UGA (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ----- -- Bruce Weaver [hidden email] http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/ "When all else fails, RTFM." NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly. To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above. -- View this message in context: http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/URL-with-good-brief-intro-to-choosing-post-hoc-tests-tp5714805p5714819.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD |
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Thanks Bruce,
I will have to study these when I have more time. David --
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No worries, David. There will be a test next Friday. ;-)
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You really need to add the Benjamini-Hochberg procedure! Paul Paul R. Swank, Ph.D. Professor, Department of Pediatrics Medical School Adjunct Professor, Health Promotions and Behavioral Sciences School of Public Health University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston -----Original Message----- From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bruce Weaver Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:48 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: URL with good brief intro to choosing post-hoc tests Art, here are my notes on MC Procedures for a psychology stats class: http://www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir/notes/multcomp.pdf http://www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir/notes/mcflow.pdf They cover most of the basic old-school methods, but not the more recent variations on them. (If I ever get time to revise, maybe I'll incorporate some of that stuff.) HTH. David Marso wrote > > Googling "Post Hoc tests" renders page upon page of variable quality > results. > Googling Relative conservatism of post hoc tests the same but a few > links down I spot the names of two credible authors (Keppel and > Wickens) in Stats, so here goes: You will probably find tons of good > info with selective search strings. > http://www.skidmore.edu/~hfoley/Handouts/K.Ch6.notes.pdf > -- > > Art Kendall wrote >> >> Does anyone know offhand of a website with a brief article on >> choosing post-hoc tests? >> >> -- >> Art Kendall >> Social Research Consultants >> >> ===================== >> To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to >> LISTSERV@.UGA (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. >> To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of >> commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD >> > ----- -- Bruce Weaver [hidden email] http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/ "When all else fails, RTFM." NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly. To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above. -- View this message in context: http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/URL-with-good-brief-intro-to-choosing-post-hoc-tests-tp5714805p5714819.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD |
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Yeah, I know. And some other things too! As usual, it's finding time to revise & rewrite.
Can you recommend any good online notes on the BH procedure? I could just give the class a link (or links) for now. Cheers, Bruce
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You could start with the entry on Wikipedia, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_discovery_rate Then go to the original Benjamini-Hochberg paper here: http://www.math.tau.ac.il/~ybenja/MyPapers/benjamini_hochberg1995.pdf And then check out an updated account of how the procedure was developed; see: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9868.2010.00746.x/pdf I checked Kirk's 4th edition of Experimental Design which has a nice chapter on multiple comparison procedures but he has only a short section towards the end of the chapter on the BH test. I get the impression that he is not too wild about the procedure. -Mike Palij New York University [hidden email] On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Bruce Weaver <[hidden email]> wrote: > Yeah, I know. And some other things too! As usual, it's finding time to > revise & rewrite. > > Can you recommend any good online notes on the BH procedure? I could just > give the class a link (or links) for now. > > Cheers, > Bruce > > > > Swank, Paul R wrote >> >> Hi Bruce, >> >> You really need to add the Benjamini-Hochberg procedure! >> >> Paul >> >> Paul R. Swank, Ph.D. >> Professor, Department of Pediatrics >> Medical School >> Adjunct Professor, Health Promotions and Behavioral Sciences >> School of Public Health >> University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:SPSSX-L@.UGA] On Behalf Of Bruce Weaver >> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:48 AM >> To: SPSSX-L@.UGA >> Subject: Re: URL with good brief intro to choosing post-hoc tests >> >> Art, here are my notes on MC Procedures for a psychology stats class: >> >> http://www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir/notes/multcomp.pdf >> http://www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir/notes/mcflow.pdf >> >> They cover most of the basic old-school methods, but not the more recent >> variations on them. (If I ever get time to revise, maybe I'll incorporate >> some of that stuff.) >> >> HTH. >> >> >> >> David Marso wrote >>> >>> Googling "Post Hoc tests" renders page upon page of variable quality >>> results. >>> Googling Relative conservatism of post hoc tests the same but a few >>> links down I spot the names of two credible authors (Keppel and >>> Wickens) in Stats, so here goes: You will probably find tons of good >>> info with selective search strings. >>> http://www.skidmore.edu/~hfoley/Handouts/K.Ch6.notes.pdf >>> -- >>> >>> Art Kendall wrote >>>> >>>> Does anyone know offhand of a website with a brief article on >>>> choosing post-hoc tests? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Art Kendall >>>> Social Research Consultants >>>> >>>> ===================== >>>> To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to >>>> LISTSERV@.UGA (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. >>>> To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of >>>> commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> -- >> Bruce Weaver >> bweaver@ >> http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/ >> >> "When all else fails, RTFM." >> >> NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly. >> To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above. >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/URL-with-good-brief-intro-to-choosing-post-hoc-tests-tp5714805p5714819.html >> Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> ===================== >> To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to LISTSERV@.UGA >> (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, >> send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage >> subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD >> >> ===================== >> To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to >> LISTSERV@.UGA (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the >> command. To leave the list, send the command >> SIGNOFF SPSSX-L >> For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command >> INFO REFCARD >> > > > > > ----- > -- > Bruce Weaver > [hidden email] > http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/ > > "When all else fails, RTFM." > > NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly. > To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above. > > -- > View this message in context: http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/URL-with-good-brief-intro-to-choosing-post-hoc-tests-tp5714805p5714832.html > Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ===================== > To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to > [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the > command. 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