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Euclid Associates
Dear All,
I am a beginner and please help me to understand pertaining to clementine.

While using clementine (8.1 version) for neural application, i am getting
the importance of input variables. But Is there any way I can evaluate
models by changing number of hidden layers by comparing RMSE or goodness of
fit (R SQUARE)indices OR MAPE value. List dedicated to clementine is quite
silent - so I took the liberty to requesting for your valuable assistance.

Please help.
With regards
Euclid
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Re: clementine assistance -beginner's question

Anthony Babinec
It sounds like you want to do model comparison.
The difficulty is that you can run different
families of models or models that are not
strictly nested so that the usual statistical
test for model comparison is not known.

One idea I've seen is to obtain estimates of the
true error from each method and then perform a
statistical test to assess whether the errors
differ statistically. The devil is in the details
and is likely to be computationally intensive or
do-able only with some non-trivial effort in the package of your
choice. You need to employ something like k-fold crossvalidation
or bootstrapping to get estimates of the true error.

Witten and Frank "Data Mining, 2nd edition," published
by Morgan Kaufmann, has a nice general discussion
in its Chapter 5, plus some specific suggestions
on a statistical test you could perform in Section 5.5.


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Euclid Associates
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 3:59 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: clementine assistance -beginner's question

Dear All,
I am a beginner and please help me to understand pertaining to clementine.

While using clementine (8.1 version) for neural application, i am getting
the importance of input variables. But Is there any way I can evaluate
models by changing number of hidden layers by comparing RMSE or goodness of
fit (R SQUARE)indices OR MAPE value. List dedicated to clementine is quite
silent - so I took the liberty to requesting for your valuable assistance.

Please help.
With regards
Euclid
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Re: clementine assistance -beginner's question

Albert-Jan Roskam
hi Euclid,

Could you tell me the name/address of the Clementine
list, or perhaps other good resources about this
program? I have to start working with this program in
April and I'd like to make a headstart -- thank you!

Cheers,
Albert-Jan

--- Anthony Babinec <[hidden email]> wrote:

> It sounds like you want to do model comparison.
> The difficulty is that you can run different
> families of models or models that are not
> strictly nested so that the usual statistical
> test for model comparison is not known.
>
> One idea I've seen is to obtain estimates of the
> true error from each method and then perform a
> statistical test to assess whether the errors
> differ statistically. The devil is in the details
> and is likely to be computationally intensive or
> do-able only with some non-trivial effort in the
> package of your
> choice. You need to employ something like k-fold
> crossvalidation
> or bootstrapping to get estimates of the true error.
>
> Witten and Frank "Data Mining, 2nd edition,"
> published
> by Morgan Kaufmann, has a nice general discussion
> in its Chapter 5, plus some specific suggestions
> on a statistical test you could perform in Section
> 5.5.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Euclid Associates
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 3:59 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: clementine assistance -beginner's question
>
> Dear All,
> I am a beginner and please help me to understand
> pertaining to clementine.
>
> While using clementine (8.1 version) for neural
> application, i am getting
> the importance of input variables. But Is there any
> way I can evaluate
> models by changing number of hidden layers by
> comparing RMSE or goodness of
> fit (R SQUARE)indices OR MAPE value. List dedicated
> to clementine is quite
> silent - so I took the liberty to requesting for
> your valuable assistance.
>
> Please help.
> With regards
> Euclid
>




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Re: clementine assistance -beginner's question

Tim Manns
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Hi,

You can find information about the SPSS Clementine user group from;
http://www.spss.com/clementine/clug.htm

You can view the CLUG archive from;
http://cammlist1.spss.com/pipermail/clug-l/

There is also a non-SPSS forum that contains some Clementine examples and
geeky Clementine related stuff.  Not the place to ask simple tech support
questions, but something weird is welcome! :)

http://www.kdkeys.net/forums/70/ShowForum.aspx

Cheers

Tim