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Dear list,
I have a cross-over repeated measures design of 40 patients (PATID) with 2 treatment periods (PERIOD) and the variable of interest (IOP) is measured 12 times (TIME). The total length of the dataset is 40x12x2=960. I found a syntax of mixed models for cross-over design in SPSS and I applied it to my data but I think that something is not calculated right, especially in multiple comparisons method. I would like to have Bonferroni adjusted p-values for the comparisons between treatments in the 12 timepoints. Since this is a cross-over design the comparison in each time point should be paired and not independent. But what I get from the SPSS syntax with EMMEANS seems to be independent t-test comparison and although I use the option BONFERRONI I get unadjusted p-values. I checked that if I use the option LSD or SIDAK I get exactly the same p-values with the BONFERRONI option so I think that something is not calculated right here. Here follows the syntax I used: MIXED iop BY rx period patid time /CRITERIA = CIN(95) MXITER(100) MXSTEP(5) SCORING(1) SINGULAR(0.000000000001) HCONVERGE(0, ABSOLUTE) LCONVERGE(0, ABSOLUTE) PCONVERGE(0.000001, ABSOLUTE) /FIXED = rx period time period*rx | SSTYPE(3) /METHOD = REML /PRINT = DESCRIPTIVES G SOLUTION TESTCOV /RANDOM patid(period) | COVTYPE(VC) /EMMEANS = TABLES(OVERALL) /EMMEANS = TABLES(rx) COMPARE ADJ(BONFERRONI) /EMMEANS = TABLES(time) COMPARE ADJ(BONFERRONI) /EMMEANS = TABLES(rx*time) COMPARE (rx) ADJ(BONFERRONI). Have someone experienced the same problem? How could paired t-tests with Bonferroni adjusted p-values be performed with the above syntax? I would appreciate for any advice or help. Thank you in advance, Bettina ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD |
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I experienced exactly the same problem when running GLM and asking for post-hoc comparisons. the results are exactly the same whether i specify LSD or SIDAK
Bozena ________________________________________ From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bettina Haidich [[hidden email]] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:22 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: cross-over design with longitudinal data Dear list, I have a cross-over repeated measures design of 40 patients (PATID) with 2 treatment periods (PERIOD) and the variable of interest (IOP) is measured 12 times (TIME). The total length of the dataset is 40x12x2=960. I found a syntax of mixed models for cross-over design in SPSS and I applied it to my data but I think that something is not calculated right, especially in multiple comparisons method. I would like to have Bonferroni adjusted p-values for the comparisons between treatments in the 12 timepoints. Since this is a cross-over design the comparison in each time point should be paired and not independent. But what I get from the SPSS syntax with EMMEANS seems to be independent t-test comparison and although I use the option BONFERRONI I get unadjusted p-values. I checked that if I use the option LSD or SIDAK I get exactly the same p-values with the BONFERRONI option so I think that something is not calculated right here. Here follows the syntax I used: MIXED iop BY rx period patid time /CRITERIA = CIN(95) MXITER(100) MXSTEP(5) SCORING(1) SINGULAR(0.000000000001) HCONVERGE(0, ABSOLUTE) LCONVERGE(0, ABSOLUTE) PCONVERGE(0.000001, ABSOLUTE) /FIXED = rx period time period*rx | SSTYPE(3) /METHOD = REML /PRINT = DESCRIPTIVES G SOLUTION TESTCOV /RANDOM patid(period) | COVTYPE(VC) /EMMEANS = TABLES(OVERALL) /EMMEANS = TABLES(rx) COMPARE ADJ(BONFERRONI) /EMMEANS = TABLES(time) COMPARE ADJ(BONFERRONI) /EMMEANS = TABLES(rx*time) COMPARE (rx) ADJ(BONFERRONI). Have someone experienced the same problem? How could paired t-tests with Bonferroni adjusted p-values be performed with the above syntax? I would appreciate for any advice or help. Thank you in advance, Bettina ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD |
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