Hi all,
We are doing mixed effects model analysis for our study. We have some samples where the concentration of protein (dependent variable) cannot be detected by our quantification method. So do we need include the concentration as "zero" for those samples while performing analysis? or can we just treat them as missing data and so do not include them in the analysis? Are there any other ways to deal with this problem? |
I can't speak in detail to SPSS for this
but I can strongly recommend a terrific book on this subject because I'm
dealing with similar issues. It is Nondetects and Data Analysis by
D.R. Helsel, published by Wiley. I strongly suggest you get this
book. Definitely do not throw the data out, and do not set it to
zero, and do not set it to half the LOD. Among other options, Helsel
discusses treating "left-censored" data like this much like the
more common right-censored data in survival analysis, where at the end
of a study some of the participants are still living so you can only say
they lived >x years. Here you only know your concentration is
<x. Helsel discusses the fact that many software packages only
address left-censored data and gives a careful analysis of how to transform
your data to analyze it w/software that doesn't handle left-censored datasets.
From: pran909 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Date: 11/08/2011 11:12 AM Subject: dealing with undetectable levels (below limit of quantification values) in statistics Sent by: "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <[hidden email]> Hi all, We are doing mixed effects model analysis for our study. We have some samples where the concentration of protein (dependent variable) cannot be detected by our quantification method. So do we need include the concentration as "zero" for those samples while performing analysis? or can we just treat them as missing data and so do not include them in the analysis? Are there any other ways to deal with this problem? -- View this message in context: http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/dealing-with-undetectable-levels-below-limit-of-quantification-values-in-statistics-tp4974936p4974936.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD |
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"Below detectable" is surely not Missing, unless there is
reason to exclude zero as missing. That might be the case if zero is a special case in other ways, or if a zero would not fall on the line of what you would expect from some good linear fit. Using the value of 1/2 the detectable limit is a convention that is frequently used, because it still allows you to take logarithms, which is frequently the metric you want when analyzing concentrations. Otherwise, zero seems apt. -- Rich Ulrich > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:02:44 -0800 > From: [hidden email] > Subject: dealing with undetectable levels (below limit of quantification values) in statistics > To: [hidden email] > > Hi all, > > We are doing mixed effects model analysis for our study. We have some > samples where the concentration of protein (dependent variable) cannot be > detected by our quantification method. So do we need include the > concentration as "zero" for those samples while performing analysis? or can > we just treat them as missing data and so do not include them in the > analysis? Are there any other ways to deal with this problem? > > -- |
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