generalized linear mixed query

[Kornbrot, Diana]

hi

have a between*between*repeated*repeated design 

and want means at lowest level, got this message

Warnings

glmm: No more than three fields can be specified in a single estimated marginal means term.

Execution of this command stops.

what can I do?

offending syntax line is

/EMMEANS TABLES=b1*b2*w1*w2 CONTRAST=NONE 

GLMM is quite a disappointment, ti tends to give up on quite simple designs

best

Diana

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[Bruce Weaver]

I couldn't quite believe that warning, so had to try it for myself--see syntax below.  

It's true:  GENLINMIXED did not estimate the model with the 4-way interaction on the EMMEANS line.  MIXED, on the other hand, did estimate that model.

Cheers,
Bruce


NEW FILE.
DATASET CLOSE ALL.
* Change path on next line as needed.
GET FILE='C:\SPSSdata\survey_sample.sav'.

* EMMEANS with three-way interaction.
GENLINMIXED
 /FIELDS TARGET=Age
 /TARGET_OPTIONS DISTRIBUTION=NORMAL LINK=IDENTITY
 /FIXED EFFECTS=
   sex race marital born
   sex*race sex*marital sex*born race*marital race*born marital*born
   sex*race*marital sex*race*born race*marital*born
   sex*race*marital*born
 /EMMEANS TABLES=sex*race*marital CONTRAST=NONE
.

* EMMEANS with four-way interaction.
GENLINMIXED
 /FIELDS TARGET=Age
 /TARGET_OPTIONS DISTRIBUTION=NORMAL LINK=IDENTITY
 /FIXED EFFECTS=
   sex race marital born
   sex*race sex*marital sex*born race*marital race*born marital*born
   sex*race*marital sex*race*born race*marital*born
   sex*race*marital*born
 /EMMEANS TABLES=sex*race*marital*born CONTRAST=NONE
.

* WARNING:
* "No more than three fields can be specified in a single estimated marginal means term".

Kornbrot, Diana wrote

hi
have a between*between*repeated*repeated design
and want means at lowest level, got this message

Warnings

glmm: No more than three fields can be specified in a single estimated marginal means term.

Execution of this command stops.


what can I do?
offending syntax line is
/EMMEANS TABLES=b1*b2*w1*w2 CONTRAST=NONE

GLMM is quite a disappointment, ti tends to give up on quite simple designs

best

Diana
________________________________________
Professor Diana Kornbrot
Work
University of Hertfordshire
College Lane, Hatfield, Hertfordshire AL10 9AB, UK
[phone]
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http://dianakornbrot.wordpress.com/
 http://go.herts.ac.uk/Diana_Kornbrot
skype:  kornbrotme
Home
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London N2 0LT, UK
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[Maguin, Eugene]

Wouldn't be possible to compute the standard errors of comparisons using the error covariance matrix? (I'm not suggesting that doing so would be EASY!) That matrix is available in regression but I don't know if it's available in glm, mixed, genlin or genlinmixed or logistic regression or some other routines either. No test commands either.

Gene Maguin

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From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bruce Weaver
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 11:02 AM
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Subject: Re: generalized linear mixed query

I couldn't quite believe that warning, so had to try it for myself--see syntax below.  

It's true:  GENLINMIXED did not estimate the model with the 4-way interaction on the EMMEANS line.  MIXED, on the other hand, did estimate that model.

Cheers,
Bruce


NEW FILE.
DATASET CLOSE ALL.
* Change path on next line as needed.
GET FILE='C:\SPSSdata\survey_sample.sav'.

* EMMEANS with three-way interaction.
GENLINMIXED
 /FIELDS TARGET=Age
 /TARGET_OPTIONS DISTRIBUTION=NORMAL LINK=IDENTITY  /FIXED EFFECTS=
   sex race marital born
   sex*race sex*marital sex*born race*marital race*born marital*born
   sex*race*marital sex*race*born race*marital*born
   sex*race*marital*born
 /EMMEANS TABLES=sex*race*marital CONTRAST=NONE .

* EMMEANS with four-way interaction.
GENLINMIXED
 /FIELDS TARGET=Age
 /TARGET_OPTIONS DISTRIBUTION=NORMAL LINK=IDENTITY  /FIXED EFFECTS=
   sex race marital born
   sex*race sex*marital sex*born race*marital race*born marital*born
   sex*race*marital sex*race*born race*marital*born
   sex*race*marital*born
 /EMMEANS TABLES=sex*race*marital*born CONTRAST=NONE .

* WARNING:
* "No more than three fields can be specified in a single estimated marginal means term".



Kornbrot, Diana wrote

> hi
> have a between*between*repeated*repeated design and want means at
> lowest level, got this message
>
> Warnings
>
> glmm: No more than three fields can be specified in a single estimated
> marginal means term.
>
> Execution of this command stops.
>
>
> what can I do?
> offending syntax line is
> /EMMEANS TABLES=b1*b2*w1*w2 CONTRAST=NONE
>
> GLMM is quite a disappointment, ti tends to give up on quite simple
> designs
>
> best
>
> Diana
> ________________________________________
> Professor Diana Kornbrot
> Work
> University of Hertfordshire
> College Lane, Hatfield, Hertfordshire AL10 9AB, UK
> [phone]

> d.e.kornbrot@.ac

> &lt;mailto:

> d.e.kornbrot@.ac

> &gt;
> http://dianakornbrot.wordpress.com/
>  http://go.herts.ac.uk/Diana_Kornbrot
> skype:  kornbrotme
> Home
> 19 Elmhurst Avenue
> London N2 0LT, UK
>  [phone]
>
>
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