multi-event survival analysis?

[J P-6]

Hello,

 

Does anyone know if SPSS can handle a multi-event survival analysis? It appears not, but thought I should consult the wisdom of the list.

 

Thanks,

John

[MaxJasper]

Are you kidding? If SPSS can’t do that I no longer wish to live!

 

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Hello,

 

Does anyone know if SPSS can handle a multi-event survival analysis? It appears not, but thought I should consult the wisdom of the list.

 

Thanks,

John

 

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[Rich Ulrich]

Cox Regression can be used that way.

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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:01:31 -0700
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Hello,

 

Does anyone know if SPSS can handle a multi-event survival analysis? It appears not, but thought I should consult the wisdom of the list.

 

Thanks,

John

[Bruce Weaver]

Please clarify what you mean by multiple-event.  I.e., do you mean the same event can occur multiple times per person (e.g., time to drink for pts in rehab); or do you mean that there is only one event per person, but an event is defined as the occurrence of any one of X, Y or Z?  I *think* Rich U was thinking about the second case when he said Cox regression could do this.  For repeated occurrences of the same event, I *think* you'd need to use GENLIN or GENLINMIXED, or something like that.  But there may be others who have actually done it who can speak with more authority.

J P-6 wrote

Hello,
 
Does anyone know if SPSS can handle a multi-event survival analysis? It appears not, but thought I should consult the wisdom of the list.
 
Thanks,
John

[Hector Maletta]

Besides the possibilities mentioned by Bruce, there are also problems where different kinds of events may happen, and these events may or may not exclude the occurrence of the other events (dying from a car crash, for instance, is a competing risk relative to the main risk studied such as dying from a heart attack; one excludes the other; in the opposite case, the risk of losing your job is not a competing risk relative to the risk of getting divorced: one or both may happen to the same individual, in any order).
I concur that clarification is needed.
Hector

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Asunto: Re: multi-event survival analysis?

Please clarify what you mean by multiple-event.  I.e., do you mean the same
event can occur multiple times per person (e.g., time to drink for pts in
rehab); or do you mean that there is only one event per person, but an event
is defined as the occurrence of any one of X, Y or Z?  I *think* Rich U was
thinking about the second case when he said Cox regression could do this.
For repeated occurrences of the same event, I *think* you'd need to use
GENLIN or GENLINMIXED, or something like that.  But there may be others who
have actually done it who can speak with more authority.




J P-6 wrote:
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> Hello,
> �
> Does anyone know if SPSS can handle a multi-event survival analysis? It
> appears not, but thought I should consult the wisdom of the list.
> �
> Thanks,
> John
>


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[Dale Glaser]

Bruce, I once looked into when one has repeated events in the context of a time-to-event analysis/design, and such recurrent events analysis can be analyzed (which I haven't used) via a R package called "Frailtypack", which has the following description from the R website:

 

"Frailtypack now fits several classes of frailty models using Penalized Likelihood on the hazard function. 1) A shared gamma frailty model and Cox proportional hazards model. Left truncated, censored data and strata (max=2) are allowed. Clustered and recurrent survival times can be studied (the Andersen-Gill(1982) approach has been implemented for recurrent events). An automatic choice of the smoothing parameter is possible using an approximated cross-validation procedure. 2) Additive frailty models for proportional hazards models with two correlated random effects (intercept random effect with random slope). 3) Nested frailty models for hierarchically clustered data (with 2 levels of clustering) by including two iid gamma random effects. 4) Joint frailty models in the context of joint modelling of recurrent events with terminal event."

 

.......but I haven't used the GENLINMIXED option in SPSS, so maybe it is equipped to do recurrent events analysis.......I think (but I would have to double-check) one may be able to do such analysis in Stata, and I would defer to SAS users on this listserve to see if the same can be done for that software..but as I said, there is definitely a R Package

 

 

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From: Bruce Weaver <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: multi-event survival analysis?
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Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 12:53 PM

Please clarify what you mean by multiple-event.  I.e., do you mean the same
event can occur multiple times per person (e.g., time to drink for pts in
rehab); or do you mean that there is only one event per person, but an event
is defined as the occurrence of any one of X, Y or Z?  I *think* Rich U was
thinking about the second case when he said Cox regression could do this.
For repeated occurrences of the same event, I *think* you'd need to use
GENLIN or GENLINMIXED, or something like that.  But there may be others who
have actually done it who can speak with more authority.




J P-6 wrote:
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> Hello,
> Â
> Does anyone know if SPSS can handle a multi-event survival analysis? It
> appears not, but thought I should consult the wisdom of the list.
> Â
> Thanks,
> John
>


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[J P-6]

 

Thank you for your replies. Apologies for the confusion.

This is quality control data where the goal is for organizations to move up in quality ranking from 1 to 5. Programs can move from 1 to 3 in one step, but most progress one increment at a time. So I believe the scenario is multiple sequential events per organization.

Thank you,

John

From: Dale Glaser <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: multi-event survival analysis?

Bruce, I once looked into when one has repeated events in the context of a time-to-event analysis/design, and such recurrent events analysis can be analyzed (which I haven't used) via a R package called "Frailtypack", which has the following description from the R website:

 

"Frailtypack now fits several classes of frailty models using Penalized Likelihood on the hazard function. 1) A shared gamma frailty model and Cox proportional hazards model. Left truncated, censored data and strata (max=2) are allowed. Clustered and recurrent survival times can be studied (the Andersen-Gill(1982) approach has been implemented for recurrent events). An automatic choice of the smoothing parameter is possible using an approximated cross-validation procedure. 2) Additive frailty models for proportional hazards models with two correlated random effects (intercept random effect with random slope). 3) Nested frailty models for hierarchically clustered data (with 2 levels of clustering) by including two iid gamma random effects. 4) Joint frailty models in the context of joint modelling of recurrent events with terminal event."

 

.......but I haven't used the GENLINMIXED option in SPSS, so maybe it is equipped to do recurrent events analysis.......I think (but I would have to double-check) one may be able to do such analysis in Stata, and I would defer to SAS users on this listserve to see if the same can be done for that software..but as I said, there is definitely a R Package

 

 

Dale Glaser, Ph.D.Principal--Glaser ConsultingLecturer/Adjunct Faculty--SDSU/USD/Alliant3115 4th AvenueSan Diego, CA 92103phone: [phone]fax: [phone]email: [hidden email]website: www.glaserconsult.com--- On Mon, 9/26/11, Bruce Weaver <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Bruce Weaver <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: multi-event survival analysis?
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Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 12:53 PM

Please clarify what you mean by multiple-event.  I.e., do you mean the sameevent can occur multiple times per person (e.g., time to drink for pts inrehab); or do you mean that there is only one event per person, but an eventis defined as the occurrence of any one of X, Y or Z?  I *think* Rich U wasthinking about the second case when he said Cox regression could do this.For repeated occurrences of the same event, I *think* you'd need to useGENLIN or GENLINMIXED, or something like that.  But there may be others whohave actually done it who can speak with more authority.J P-6 wrote:>> Hello,> Â> Does anyone know if SPSS can handle a multi-event survival analysis? It> appears not, but thought I should consult the wisdom of the list.> Â> Thanks,> John>-------Bruce Weaverbweaver@...http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/"When all else fails, RTFM."NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly.To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above.--View this message in context: http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/multi-event-survival-analysis-tp4827134p4842687.htmlSent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com.=====================To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message toLISTSERV@... (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except thecommand. To leave the list, send the commandSIGNOFF SPSSX-LFor a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the commandINFO REFCARD

[Ryan]

While I have never done it, it should be possible to fit a
proportional hazards model that takes into account clustering via the
GENLIN and GENLINMIXED procedures. Take a look at this informative
SAS-L post for further details:

http://listserv.uga.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0211B&L=sas-l&P=R40

Ryan

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:01 PM, J P <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone know if SPSS can handle a multi-event survival analysis? It
> appears not, but thought I should consult the wisdom of the list.
>
> Thanks,
> John

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