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Jinkuk Hong

printing option in PASW 17

Dear all,
Our center recently upgraded to PASW 17 from SPSS 15.
While I'm still not sure if this is good news or bad news, I have one concern
that I'd like to ask to other users.
when I want to print outputs (File > Print, or clicking print button), PASW
gives me only a selection of printers, but no options for printing such as
double side printing or multiple pages per sheet (usually I get this options
through clicking "Properties" in other applications). This means right now I
can print single side one page only, which would results in huge waste of
papers (with SPSS15, I used to print four pages per sheet - 2 pages/double
side, or even 8 pages - four pages/double side).
For now, to avoid wasting papers, I export outputs into word file, reformat
and print them, but it's quite a pain in the back.... :-(

I'm wondering if anyone else has similar problems? Any solutions or
suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
FYI, my computer has Windows XP (if that may matter).

Thanks much,
Jin

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Francien Berndsen

Re: printing option in PASW 17

Hi,

You're not the only one with this problem....
The only 'solution' is changing the default properties of your
printer. There's no real solution:

http://support.spss.com/Tech/troubleshooting/ressearchdetail.asp?
ID=74103&CD=Yes

Unfortunately, it's not solved in V18.

Francien

Op 3-aug-2009, om 20:48 heeft Jinkuk Hong het volgende geschreven:

> Dear all,
> Our center recently upgraded to PASW 17 from SPSS 15.
> While I'm still not sure if this is good news or bad news, I have
> one concern
> that I'd like to ask to other users.
> when I want to print outputs (File > Print, or clicking print
> button), PASW
> gives me only a selection of printers, but no options for printing
> such as
> double side printing or multiple pages per sheet (usually I get
> this options
> through clicking "Properties" in other applications). This means
> right now I
> can print single side one page only, which would results in huge
> waste of
> papers (with SPSS15, I used to print four pages per sheet - 2 pages/
> double
> side, or even 8 pages - four pages/double side).
> For now, to avoid wasting papers, I export outputs into word file,
> reformat
> and print them, but it's quite a pain in the back.... :-(
>
> I'm wondering if anyone else has similar problems? Any solutions or
> suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> FYI, my computer has Windows XP (if that may matter).
>
> Thanks much,
> Jin
>
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Maguin, Eugene

Re: printing option in PASW 17

In reply to this post by Jinkuk Hong

Jin,

I don't like to hear what you said because spss was informed last year that
16 had this problem along with a number of others. I know because I,
probably along with a number of others ahead of me, sent a list of problems
to tech support and the reply was that they had been filed with development.

But, I want to know this: is your version patched completely? With every
applicable patch? I ask because it's embarrassing to complain about
something that is fixed in a later patch.

Gene Maguin

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Jinkuk Hong

Re: printing option in PASW 17

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Dear Gene Maguin,
I think my version is updated with the most recent patch. It says "Release
17.0.2 (Mar 11, 2009)."

Jin

On 8/3/2009 2:28 PM, Gene Maguin wrote:

> Jin,
>
> I don't like to hear what you said because spss was informed last year that
> 16 had this problem along with a number of others. I know because I,
> probably along with a number of others ahead of me, sent a list of problems
> to tech support and the reply was that they had been filed with development.
>
>
> But, I want to know this: is your version patched completely? With every
> applicable patch? I ask because it's embarrassing to complain about
> something that is fixed in a later patch.
>
> Gene Maguin
>
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ViAnn Beadle

Re: printing option in PASW 17

In reply to this post by Francien Berndsen

IIRC, you can define another printer pointing to the same physical device
with the options you want for use in SPSS. Then select that printer within
the Printer selection dialog.

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Francien Berndsen
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:03 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: printing option in PASW 17

Hi,

You're not the only one with this problem....
The only 'solution' is changing the default properties of your printer.
There's no real solution:

http://support.spss.com/Tech/troubleshooting/ressearchdetail.asp?ID=74103&CD
=Yes

Unfortunately, it's not solved in V18.

Francien

Op 3-aug-2009, om 20:48 heeft Jinkuk Hong het volgende geschreven:

> Dear all,
> Our center recently upgraded to PASW 17 from SPSS 15.
> While I'm still not sure if this is good news or bad news, I have one
> concern that I'd like to ask to other users.
> when I want to print outputs (File > Print, or clicking print button),
> PASW gives me only a selection of printers, but no options for
> printing such as double side printing or multiple pages per sheet
> (usually I get this options through clicking "Properties" in other
> applications). This means right now I can print single side one page
> only, which would results in huge waste of papers (with SPSS15, I used
> to print four pages per sheet - 2 pages/ double side, or even 8 pages
> - four pages/double side).
> For now, to avoid wasting papers, I export outputs into word file,
> reformat and print them, but it's quite a pain in the back.... :-(
>
> I'm wondering if anyone else has similar problems? Any solutions or
> suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> FYI, my computer has Windows XP (if that may matter).
>
> Thanks much,
> Jin
>
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> list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO
> REFCARD

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Francien Berndsen

Re: printing option in PASW 17

Thank you, ViAnn, because I do have the same problem.
I haven't thought about this work around. At home, it will be a
solution, but at work, unfortunately, I have to contact my sys
admin....

But, in addition to my last e-mail: I just posted the same problem to
tech support last week and they told me this problem is not resolved
in V18, so it doesn't matter which exact version of pasw your'e using
(v16 and higher).

Francien

Op 3-aug-2009, om 21:46 heeft ViAnn Beadle het volgende geschreven:

> IIRC, you can define another printer pointing to the same physical
> device
> with the options you want for use in SPSS. Then select that printer
> within
> the Printer selection dialog.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On
> Behalf Of
> Francien Berndsen
> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:03 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: printing option in PASW 17
>
> Hi,
>
> You're not the only one with this problem....
> The only 'solution' is changing the default properties of your
> printer.
> There's no real solution:
>
> http://support.spss.com/Tech/troubleshooting/ressearchdetail.asp?
> ID=74103&CD
> =Yes
>
> Unfortunately, it's not solved in V18.
>
>
> Francien
>
> Op 3-aug-2009, om 20:48 heeft Jinkuk Hong het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Dear all,
>> Our center recently upgraded to PASW 17 from SPSS 15.
>> While I'm still not sure if this is good news or bad news, I have one
>> concern that I'd like to ask to other users.
>> when I want to print outputs (File > Print, or clicking print
>> button),
>> PASW gives me only a selection of printers, but no options for
>> printing such as double side printing or multiple pages per sheet
>> (usually I get this options through clicking "Properties" in other
>> applications). This means right now I can print single side one page
>> only, which would results in huge waste of papers (with SPSS15, I
>> used
>> to print four pages per sheet - 2 pages/ double side, or even 8 pages
>> - four pages/double side).
>> For now, to avoid wasting papers, I export outputs into word file,
>> reformat and print them, but it's quite a pain in the back.... :-(
>>
>> I'm wondering if anyone else has similar problems? Any solutions or
>> suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>> FYI, my computer has Windows XP (if that may matter).
>>
>> Thanks much,
>> Jin
>>
>> =====================
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>> [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except
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>> list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO
>> REFCARD
>
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>

Maguin, Eugene

Re: printing option in PASW 17

In reply to this post by ViAnn Beadle

ViAnn,

Please elaborate on how to do this. Specifically with a network printer.
When I go into add printers, I see a list of networked printers, I can
select one or more and install them, designating one as the default. And for
that printer, I can set a default page setup.

>>IIRC, you can define another printer pointing to the same physical device
with the options you want for use in SPSS. Then select that printer within
the Printer selection dialog.

Thanks, Gene Maguin

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ViAnn Beadle

Re: printing option in PASW 17

I'm not connected to any network and am running Vista so I can't elaborate.
Have you talked to your sysadmin?

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Gene Maguin
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:20 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: printing option in PASW 17

ViAnn,

Please elaborate on how to do this. Specifically with a network printer.
When I go into add printers, I see a list of networked printers, I can
select one or more and install them, designating one as the default. And for
that printer, I can set a default page setup.

>>IIRC, you can define another printer pointing to the same physical device
with the options you want for use in SPSS. Then select that printer within
the Printer selection dialog.

Thanks, Gene Maguin

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Maguin, Eugene

Re: printing option in PASW 17

ViAnn,

There's a small thing that spss could do differently. An example is the
printing issue that was discussed last week. I complained about that pretty
shortly after I got 16 on the UB site license. I also complained about a
list of irritating things. The message back was that 'they have been filed
with development'. The implication that I drew is that they would be fixed
in a 17 patch, All in all, an extemely ordinary interaction. Then came the
message last week about printing on 18.

I think it would have been better to have said right up front that Java does
not support certain previous elements of program operation. That statement
snaps the door shut and people would be bitter. I would be. But, you've
avoided completely that long, lingering hope for and suspicion about future
fixes. And, all in all, I think I'd rather know that because spss switched
to java for understandable reasons certain things are no longer possible
than have the implied promise that they will be there in a patch or fixed in
the 'next' version.

Gene Maguin

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ViAnn Beadle

Re: printing option in PASW 17

I don't work for SPSS. I retired over two years ago. You seem to think that
I am personally responsible for this problem.

SPSS made the decision to switch to a Java architecture for many reasons,
but most importantly, a portable system that could be simultaneously
released to Windows, Mac, and UNIX users.

The developers, in good faith, tried to replicate all the functionality of
releases which relied upon Windows-only components. Sometimes they were able
to find Java classes that would substitute reasonably well for things like
common dialogs (Open, Save, Print), active-X controls such as RTF edit, and
completely rewrite pivot tables which depended upon a complex active-X
control. There is no doubt that some features provided by Windows propriety
code were lost in the conversion.

When I worked at SPSS, every defect from the field was prioritized based
upon severity and scheduled. Sometimes a defect could not be resolved for
operating system or external reasons. Promises cannot always be delivered
when made in the absence of complete information about what it would take to
meet that promise.

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Gene Maguin
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 7:59 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: printing option in PASW 17

ViAnn,

There's a small thing that spss could do differently. An example is the
printing issue that was discussed last week. I complained about that pretty
shortly after I got 16 on the UB site license. I also complained about a
list of irritating things. The message back was that 'they have been filed
with development'. The implication that I drew is that they would be fixed
in a 17 patch, All in all, an extemely ordinary interaction. Then came the
message last week about printing on 18.

I think it would have been better to have said right up front that Java does
not support certain previous elements of program operation. That statement
snaps the door shut and people would be bitter. I would be. But, you've
avoided completely that long, lingering hope for and suspicion about future
fixes. And, all in all, I think I'd rather know that because spss switched
to java for understandable reasons certain things are no longer possible
than have the implied promise that they will be there in a patch or fixed in
the 'next' version.

Gene Maguin

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Maguin, Eugene

Re: printing option in PASW 17

ViAnn,

I did assume you were now working at spss. I was wrong to direct my comments
to you as a representative of spss. I apologize, I won't do it again.

Gene Maguin

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