spss 14.0.2 crashing

[Paul Mcgeoghan]

Hi,

Does anyone else have any problems with SPSS 14.0.2 crashing without any
warning when producing just a few bar charts via frequencies procedure for
example?

Doesn't happen to everyone but can happen intermittently on some PCs. I think
it tends to happen more often that not when one starts producing graphs.

We have a Novell network with SPSS 14.0.2 installed to hard disk. Also, have
VirusScan Enterprise 8.0.0 running.

SPSS 14.02 patch applied locally onto hard disk via
msiexec /i "<path>\SPSS1402ClientPatch.msi" /qn /L*V
"<path>\SPSS1402Patch.Log"

after 1401 was installed initially.

Regards,
Paul


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Paul McGeoghan,
Application support specialist (Statistics and Databases),
University Infrastructure Group (UIG),
Information Services,
Cardiff University.
Tel. 02920 (875035).

[Frommelt, Allen]

Paul,

We are running SPSS 14.0.2 and have the same problem.  It's very frustrating, but we haven't found a work around yet. Our problem started when they upgraded our computers to Windows XP professional. We didn't have the problem on Windows NT. I'm hoping that version 15.0 won't encounter the same problem.

Allen Frommelt

[Paul Mcgeoghan]

Allen,

We have windows XP SP2.

Am partly tempted to go back to SPSS 12.02 which is what we previously had and
was less prone to crashing.
We have only just released SPSS 14.0.2 though on the network.

Paul


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Paul McGeoghan,
Application support specialist (Statistics and Databases),
University Infrastructure Group (UIG),
Information Services,
Cardiff University.
Tel. 02920 (875035).

>>> "Frommelt, Allen" <[hidden email]> 06/11/2006 13:51:29 >>>
Paul,

We are running SPSS 14.0.2 and have the same problem.  It's very frustrating,
but we haven't found a work around yet. Our problem started when they upgraded
our computers to Windows XP professional. We didn't have the problem on Windows
NT. I'm hoping that version 15.0 won't encounter the same problem.

Allen Frommelt

[Mark A Davenport MADAVENP]

I've run both the networked version (Novell, on our campus) and stand
alnoe.  I have a had only a few intermittent crashes but but not nearly so
many as before the latest patch.  That said, I have started having several
problems at home with several pieces of software (SPSS 15) included that I
attribute to that damned latest upgrade (so called) from Microsoft.  In
fact, our network service on campus has blocked access tot he MS upgrade
site altogether.  You might check to see if the problem is not with SPSS
but Windows.

Mark


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Paul,

We are running SPSS 14.0.2 and have the same problem.  It's very
frustrating, but we haven't found a work around yet. Our problem started
when they upgraded our computers to Windows XP professional. We didn't
have the problem on Windows NT. I'm hoping that version 15.0 won't
encounter the same problem.

Allen Frommelt

[Barnett, Adrian (HEALTH)]

I've had Service Pack 2 for XP on my system from SPSS V13 onwards but
the crashes didn't start till 14 came along. I think they started with
the 14.02 patch. The system they happen on is off  the network for
security reasons so there is no Novell involved. The errors I
encountered have involved illegal instructions getting trapped by XP and
also C++ runtime errors.

Looks like buggy code and/or a rotten C++ compiler.


Below is a quote from the Rationale for the ANSI C standard:

"The Committee kept as a major goal to preserve the traditional spirit
of C. There are many facets of the spirit of C, but the essence is a
community sentiment of the underlying principles upon which the C
language is based. Some of the facets of the spirit of C can be
summarized in phrases like :

-Trust the programmer.
-Don't prevent the programmer from doing what needs to be done. "


I think the results of adhering to this in the writing of software are
obvious to everyone except C programmers :-[




Regards


Adrian

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> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]]
> On Behalf Of Mark A Davenport MADAVENP
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> Subject: Re: spss 14.0.2 crashing
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> I've run both the networked version (Novell, on our campus)
> and stand alnoe.  I have a had only a few intermittent
> crashes but but not nearly so many as before the latest
> patch.  That said, I have started having several problems at
> home with several pieces of software (SPSS 15) included that
> I attribute to that damned latest upgrade (so called) from
> Microsoft.  In fact, our network service on campus has
> blocked access tot he MS upgrade site altogether.  You might
> check to see if the problem is not with SPSS but Windows.
>
> Mark
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> Mark A. Davenport Ph.D.
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> 336.256.0395
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> deal more than an exact answer to an approximate question.'
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> Tukey (1962)
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> Paul,
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> We are running SPSS 14.0.2 and have the same problem.  It's
> very frustrating, but we haven't found a work around yet. Our
> problem started when they upgraded our computers to Windows
> XP professional. We didn't have the problem on Windows NT.
> I'm hoping that version 15.0 won't encounter the same problem.
>
> Allen Frommelt
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