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Re: Repeated measures analysis of fractions summing to a constant

Posted by Rich Ulrich on Apr 04, 2013; 10:02pm
URL: http://spssx-discussion.165.s1.nabble.com/Repeated-measures-analysis-of-fractions-summing-to-a-constant-tp5719257p5719270.html

The Wikip article on "ipsative" tells me that my own use of
that term falls under the third type that they mention, where
educators may standardize the scores for an individual based
only on that individuals previous scores.  

It seems that you are apt to find several different uses under "ipsative"
in addition to the one that resembles "compositional".

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Rich Ulrich



> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:42:15 -0700

> From: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: Repeated measures analysis of fractions summing to a constant
> To: [hidden email]
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> Judging from what I see on the Wikipedia page
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compositional_data), "compositional data" is
> another name for with Shaffer called "allocated observations" and Greer &
> Dunlap called "ipsative data". But it also looks like there are two sets of
> literature that do not overlap all that much.
>
>
>
> Rich Ulrich-2 wrote
> > There is a literature on "compositional data" which probably will be
> > helpful.
> > Years ago, I found Aitchison to be readable.
> >
> > I have no idea whether it will work for your model, but I will mention
> > that you escape the absolute linear dependency if you represent each
> > fraction as its log-odds, like log(25/75) in place of 25%.
> >
> > --
> > Rich Ulrich
> >
> > Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:05:47 +0400
> > From:
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> > kior@
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> > Subject: Repeated measures analysis of fractions summing to a constant
> > To:
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> > SPSSX-L@.UGA
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> >
> >
> > Consider you have a between-within design: several between-subject
> > groups and several (3 or more) repeated measures (= within-subject)
> > trials. It's all very classic and typical. The nuance, however, is
> > that the values for every subject sum across the repeated levels to
> > a **constant**. This is because the data are complementary, i.e.
> > percentages of fractions, so, in this case they sum to 100 for every
> > individual. For example, with 3 RM levels, a respondent's data is
> > like 30%, 22%, 48% (sum=100); for another respondent 25%, 33%, 42%
> > (sum=100).
> >
> >
> >
> > I know that I can analyze between-groups X repeated-measures count
> > data via Generalized Estimating Equations procedure. By I doubt in
> > this case because the values *sum to a constant*, they are
> > complementary fractions; they are not counts of successes in
> > repeated independent trials!
> >
> >
> >
> > Can I analyze such data in SPSS and how? Thanks.
>
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