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Dear all,
I'm thinking of getting into Python. The think is, I understand that SPSS now is compatible with Python 2.5, whereas the latest version of Python is 3.1.2. Although I don't need the latest of the latest, I do understand that from Python 3 onward it differs quite considerably for the pre-Python 3 versions. My question is, is it worthwhile to start learning Python 2.5 or more sensible to wait until SPSS is compatible with Python 3.x? Thanks Maurice -- ___________________________________________________________________ Maurice Vergeer Department of communication Radboud University� (www.ru.nl) PO Box 9104 NL-6500 HE Nijmegen The Netherlands Visiting Professor Yeungnam University, Gyeongsan, South Korea contact: E: [hidden email] T: +31 24 3612297 (direct)/ 3612372 (secretary) / maurice.vergeer (skype) personal webpage: www.mauricevergeer.nl blog:� http://blog.mauricevergeer.nl/ Journalism: www.journalisteninhetdigitaletijdperk.nl CENMEP New Media and European Parliament Elections 2009 http://mauricevergeer.ruhosting.nl/cenmep Recent publications: - Vergeer, M. & Pelzer, B. (2009). Consequences of media and Internet use for offline and online network capital and well-being. A causal model approach. Journal of Computer-Mediated Communication, 15, 189-210. -Vergeer, M., Coenders, M. & Scheepers, P. (2009). Time spent on television in European countries. In R.P. Konig, P.W.M. Nelissen, & F.J.M. Huysmans (Eds.), Meaningful media: Communication Research on the Social Construction of Reality (54-73). Nijmegen, The Netherlands: Tandem Felix. - Hermans, L., Vergeer, M., &� d’Haenens, L. (2009). Internet in the daily life of journalists. Explaining the use of the Internet through work-related characteristics and professional opinions. Journal of Computer-Mediated Communication, 15, 138-157. ___________________________________________________________________ ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD |
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Hi Maurice,
we work with Python since the very beginning in SPSS 14. SPSS 17 is shipped with Python 2.5 and SPSS 18 with Python 2.6. As far as I know the differences are significant but you can switch easily if you know a previous version. As SPSS is shipped with Python 2.x I would suggest you start with that. On the other hand you could ask SPSS directly which Python version they will ship with their newest Release SPSS 19 which will be available later this year. If this is Python 3.x then I would go with Python 3.x. If not, I would go with Python 2.x. HTH Regards George -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] Im Auftrag von Maurice Vergeer Gesendet: Freitag, 6. August 2010 17:49 An: [hidden email] Betreff: which version of python? Dear all, I'm thinking of getting into Python. The think is, I understand that SPSS now is compatible with Python 2.5, whereas the latest version of Python is 3.1.2. Although I don't need the latest of the latest, I do understand that from Python 3 onward it differs quite considerably for the pre-Python 3 versions. My question is, is it worthwhile to start learning Python 2.5 or more sensible to wait until SPSS is compatible with Python 3.x? Thanks Maurice -- ___________________________________________________________________ Maurice Vergeer Department of communication Radboud University (www.ru.nl) PO Box 9104 NL-6500 HE Nijmegen The Netherlands Visiting Professor Yeungnam University, Gyeongsan, South Korea contact: E: [hidden email] T: +31 24 3612297 (direct)/ 3612372 (secretary) / maurice.vergeer (skype) personal webpage: www.mauricevergeer.nl blog: http://blog.mauricevergeer.nl/ Journalism: www.journalisteninhetdigitaletijdperk.nl CENMEP New Media and European Parliament Elections 2009 http://mauricevergeer.ruhosting.nl/cenmep Recent publications: - Vergeer, M. & Pelzer, B. (2009). Consequences of media and Internet use for offline and online network capital and well-being. A causal model approach. Journal of Computer-Mediated Communication, 15, 189-210. -Vergeer, M., Coenders, M. & Scheepers, P. (2009). Time spent on television in European countries. In R.P. Konig, P.W.M. Nelissen, & F.J.M. Huysmans (Eds.), Meaningful media: Communication Research on the Social Construction of Reality (54-73). Nijmegen, The Netherlands: Tandem Felix. - Hermans, L., Vergeer, M., & d'Haenens, L. (2009). Internet in the daily life of journalists. Explaining the use of the Internet through work-related characteristics and professional opinions. Journal of Computer-Mediated Communication, 15, 138-157. ___________________________________________________________________ ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD |
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Maurice,
One of the greatest founding principles of Python is that it is consistent/predictable. Yes, Python 3.x is crossing some new ground (I haven't looked much into it, but from what I have reviewed it is a step ahead of 2.x). I would recommend you start learning Python 2.x now - what you learn in 2.5/2.6 won't dramatically be different from Python 3.x; the designers/implementers of Python follow a stringent mission statement: "never get in the way of the programmer", and significantly changing the language (as you hint) in its transition from ver2.x - ver3.x would be detrimental to the Python community (aka - they would never never do it). Also, if you are not familiar with languages like Python you need to learn the fundamentals (so start now!) - Python is very user friendly; the transitioning phase from 2.x to 3.x should not be so stark that you would be learning Python all over again. Feel free to bug me about any 'newb' Python questions. Best of luck, J. R. Carroll Grad. Student in Pre-Doc Psychology at CSUS Research Assistant for Just About Everyone. Email: [hidden email] -or- [hidden email] Phone: (916) 628-4204 On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Maurice Vergeer <[hidden email]> wrote: Dear all, |
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Each SPSS Statistics release is tied to a particular version of Python - 2.6 for 18 and 19. The Python 3.x series is still pretty new and has not been widely adopted for real uses. I would guess that that point is still 2+ years away. That's a long time to wait. If you learn 2.x, there will be some things to relearn when 3.x is adopted, but most of your knowledge will transfer. And there is a 2-to-3 tool that can mostly convert Python code from one to the other. With 2.7 you can actually start using 3.x features but stay compatible with the 2.x line. I wish we could have moved to that for Statistics 19, but 2.7 was released too late for our product cycle. HTH, Jon Peck SPSS, an IBM Company [hidden email] 312-651-3435
Dear all, I'm thinking of getting into Python. The think is, I understand that SPSS now is compatible with Python 2.5, whereas the latest version of Python is 3.1.2. Although I don't need the latest of the latest, I do understand that from Python 3 onward it differs quite considerably for the pre-Python 3 versions. My question is, is it worthwhile to start learning Python 2.5 or more sensible to wait until SPSS is compatible with Python 3.x? Thanks Maurice -- ___________________________________________________________________ Maurice Vergeer Department of communication Radboud University (www.ru.nl) PO Box 9104 NL-6500 HE Nijmegen The Netherlands Visiting Professor Yeungnam University, Gyeongsan, South Korea contact: E: [hidden email] T: +31 24 3612297 (direct)/ 3612372 (secretary) / maurice.vergeer (skype) personal webpage: www.mauricevergeer.nl blog: http://blog.mauricevergeer.nl/ Journalism: www.journalisteninhetdigitaletijdperk.nl CENMEP New Media and European Parliament Elections 2009 http://mauricevergeer.ruhosting.nl/cenmep Recent publications: - Vergeer, M. & Pelzer, B. (2009). Consequences of media and Internet use for offline and online network capital and well-being. A causal model approach. Journal of Computer-Mediated Communication, 15, 189-210. -Vergeer, M., Coenders, M. & Scheepers, P. (2009). Time spent on television in European countries. In R.P. Konig, P.W.M. Nelissen, & F.J.M. Huysmans (Eds.), Meaningful media: Communication Research on the Social Construction of Reality (54-73). Nijmegen, The Netherlands: Tandem Felix. - Hermans, L., Vergeer, M., & d’Haenens, L. (2009). Internet in the daily life of journalists. Explaining the use of the Internet through work-related characteristics and professional opinions. Journal of Computer-Mediated Communication, 15, 138-157. ___________________________________________________________________ ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD |
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Dear Georg, Justin and Jon,
thanks very much for the information and advice. I'll stick to Python 2.x for now. Best wishes, Maurice 2010/8/6 Jon K Peck <[hidden email]>
-- ___________________________________________________________________ Maurice Vergeer Department of communication Radboud University (www.ru.nl) PO Box 9104 NL-6500 HE Nijmegen The Netherlands Visiting Professor Yeungnam University, Gyeongsan, South Korea contact: E: [hidden email] T: +31 24 3612297 (direct)/ 3612372 (secretary) / maurice.vergeer (skype) personal webpage: www.mauricevergeer.nl blog: http://blog.mauricevergeer.nl/ Journalism: www.journalisteninhetdigitaletijdperk.nl CENMEP New Media and European Parliament Elections 2009 http://mauricevergeer.ruhosting.nl/cenmep Recent publications: - Vergeer, M. & Pelzer, B. (2009). Consequences of media and Internet use for offline and online network capital and well-being. A causal model approach. Journal of Computer-Mediated Communication, 15, 189-210. -Vergeer, M., Coenders, M. & Scheepers, P. (2009). Time spent on television in European countries. In R.P. Konig, P.W.M. Nelissen, & F.J.M. Huysmans (Eds.), Meaningful media: Communication Research on the Social Construction of Reality (54-73). Nijmegen, The Netherlands: Tandem Felix. - Hermans, L., Vergeer, M., & d’Haenens, L. (2009). Internet in the daily life of journalists. Explaining the use of the Internet through work-related characteristics and professional opinions. Journal of Computer-Mediated Communication, 15, 138-157. ___________________________________________________________________ |
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