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Advice, please?

Doyle, Jennifer
Advice, please?

Good Morning~

I have a question regarding z-scores:  I have a database consisting of 121 subjects, each of whom was interviewed by 4 different interviewers:

3 individuals and 1 panel (consisting of a variety of 4-8 individuals) on 4 different dates -- the 3 individuals remained the same on the 4 dates, but the panels varied in terms of who sat on them.  Each interviewer (and panel) graded each interaction on a 4-point scale (A-D).

My question is this:  is it valid to simply calculate a z score on the average of the 4 raw scores / grades each subject received? --

OR
Do I need to calculate individual z-scores for each interviewer -- and how do I then calculate a valid z-score for panels--and then average those to rank subjects? Any guidance would be HUGELY appreciated! 

Best, Jennifer

Jennifer Doyle, M.A.
Lecturer on Surgery, Harvard Medical School
Director of Surgical Education
Massachusetts General Hospital
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Boston, MA 02114
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Re: Advice, please?

lori.andersen
You can use an average score, but you should compute the inter-rater reliability.

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Doyle, Jennifer [via SPSSX Discussion] <[hidden email]> wrote:

Good Morning~

I have a question regarding z-scores:  I have a database consisting of 121 subjects, each of whom was interviewed by 4 different interviewers:

3 individuals and 1 panel (consisting of a variety of 4-8 individuals) on 4 different dates -- the 3 individuals remained the same on the 4 dates, but the panels varied in terms of who sat on them.  Each interviewer (and panel) graded each interaction on a 4-point scale (A-D).

My question is this:  is it valid to simply calculate a z score on the average of the 4 raw scores / grades each subject received? --

OR
Do I need to calculate individual z-scores for each interviewer -- and how do I then calculate a valid z-score for panels--and then average those to rank subjects? Any guidance would be HUGELY appreciated! 

Best, Jennifer

Jennifer Doyle, M.A.
Lecturer on Surgery, Harvard Medical School
Director of Surgical Education
Massachusetts General Hospital
55 Parkman Street - WAC 455Q
Boston, MA 02114
Phone:  <a href="tel:617-643-8731" target="_blank" value="+16176438731">617-643-8731
Fax:       <a href="tel:617-724-0405" target="_blank" value="+16177240405">617-724-0405
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Re: Advice, please?

Maguin, Eugene
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I think that I’d just average the four scores and z-score that average.

 

Gene Maguin

 

 

 

From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Doyle, Jennifer
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Subject: Advice, please?

 

Good Morning~

I have a question regarding z-scores:  I have a database consisting of 121 subjects, each of whom was interviewed by 4 different interviewers:

3 individuals and 1 panel (consisting of a variety of 4-8 individuals) on 4 different dates -- the 3 individuals remained the same on the 4 dates, but the panels varied in terms of who sat on them.  Each interviewer (and panel) graded each interaction on a 4-point scale (A-D).

My question is this:  is it valid to simply calculate a z score on the average of the 4 raw scores / grades each subject received? --

OR
Do I need to calculate individual z-scores for each interviewer -- and how do I then calculate a valid z-score for panels--and then average those to rank subjects? Any guidance would be HUGELY appreciated! 

Best, Jennifer

Jennifer Doyle, M.A.
Lecturer on Surgery, Harvard Medical School
Director of Surgical Education
Massachusetts General Hospital
55 Parkman Street - WAC 455Q
Boston, MA 02114
Phone:  617-643-8731
Fax:       617-724-0405
[hidden email]

 

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Re: Advice, please?

Michael Kruger
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Jennifer,


I deal with a similar problem when it comes to evaluating fellowship candidates in our dept. (OB?GYN). What I do is get an adjusted score by calculating the average rating given by each rater for the candidates they evaluate. I then divide each candidates score by the mean for the rater that evaluated them and then I average these adjusted scores. This corrects for biases of different raters in evaluating the candidates. Our raw scores have a maximum value of 100 pts.

Jennifer Doyle, M.A.
Lecturer on Surgery, Harvard Medical School
Director of Surgical Education
Massachusetts General Hospital
55 Parkman Street - WAC 455Q
Boston, MA 02114
Phone:  617-643-8731
Fax:       617-724-0405
[hidden email]


I'm not an outlier; I just haven't found my distribution yet! -- Ronan M. Conroy, Lecturer in Biostatistics, Royal College of Surgeons of Ireland

Believe those who are seeking the truth, Doubt those who find it. -- Andre Gide

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