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Deena Isom


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Hello List,
 
I'm trying to determine which analytical strategy is best for a current project, and if any are adequately conducted in SPSS or if another stats package is needed.
 
I'm trying to assess if two latent constructs are truly distinct, when in most literature items assessing each they are measured together in one scale..... I believe this is best done with exploratory factor analysis to see how different questions load of different factors, but if I believe they are different, would confirmatory factor analysis better serve these purposes - force their loadings?  Also, can either of these really be fully conducted in SPSS and provide information about fit and so forth?  And finally, could item response theory help distinguish which questions measure which concepts?  Honestly, I'm still confused by IRT. 
 
Thanks in advance for your insight.  Hope you had a wonderful holiday!


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Re: Latent Variable Analysis: CFA, EFA, and IRT?

Yang, Hongwei

1.       You can use either EFA or CFA for this study. CFA might be better because you have already had a structure in mind. Also, EFA involves much more subjectivity than does CFA.

2.       SPSS Statistics for EFA. SPSS AMOS for EFA (under Specification Search) and CFA.

 

Hongwei Yang, University of Kentucky

 

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Hello List,

 

I'm trying to determine which analytical strategy is best for a current project, and if any are adequately conducted in SPSS or if another stats package is needed.

 

I'm trying to assess if two latent constructs are truly distinct, when in most literature items assessing each they are measured together in one scale..... I believe this is best done with exploratory factor analysis to see how different questions load of different factors, but if I believe they are different, would confirmatory factor analysis better serve these purposes - force their loadings?  Also, can either of these really be fully conducted in SPSS and provide information about fit and so forth?  And finally, could item response theory help distinguish which questions measure which concepts?  Honestly, I'm still confused by IRT. 

 

Thanks in advance for your insight.  Hope you had a wonderful holiday!



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Re: Fwd: Latent Variable Analysis: CFA, EFA, and IRT?

Art Kendall
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Please give more details.

Do you mean that the instrument has two scales?. I.e., some items go into one score and other items go into another score?

Or do you mean that the he instrument produces one score and you think it should produce 2 scores.


What constructs is the instrument designed to measure?  What constructs do you think it should measure?

Has the instrument be psychometrically  validated?
How did the authors of the instrument validate the score?

How many items are there?   What is the response scale?
What are the items and how do you think they should be grouped?

How many cases do you have?

Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants
On 1/20/2014 4:46 PM, Deena Isom [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:


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Subject: Latent Variable Analysis: CFA, EFA, and IRT?
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Hello List,
 
I'm trying to determine which analytical strategy is best for a current project, and if any are adequately conducted in SPSS or if another stats package is needed.
 
I'm trying to assess if two latent constructs are truly distinct, when in most literature items assessing each they are measured together in one scale..... I believe this is best done with exploratory factor analysis to see how different questions load of different factors, but if I believe they are different, would confirmatory factor analysis better serve these purposes - force their loadings?  Also, can either of these really be fully conducted in SPSS and provide information about fit and so forth?  And finally, could item response theory help distinguish which questions measure which concepts?  Honestly, I'm still confused by IRT. 
 
Thanks in advance for your insight.  Hope you had a wonderful holiday!


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Re: Latent Variable Analysis: CFA, EFA, and IRT?

Maguin, Eugene
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This is a problem that can only be done on a SEM program such as Amos. As I understand your message, you are asking is whether a two factor model fits better than a one factor model. And, you propose that factor 1 is composed of items A, B, D and factor 2 is composed of items C, E, F. (You can force a two factor solution but you can not control item-to-factor assignment.) The one factor model should have a df of 9 and the two factor model should have a df of 8. I think, but I may be wrong, that if you constrain the factor variances in the two factor model to be equal, you will have the correct nested model test.

Gene Maguin

 

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From: Deena Isom <[hidden email]>
Date: Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:38 PM
Subject: Latent Variable Analysis: CFA, EFA, and IRT?
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Hello List,

 

I'm trying to determine which analytical strategy is best for a current project, and if any are adequately conducted in SPSS or if another stats package is needed.

 

I'm trying to assess if two latent constructs are truly distinct, when in most literature items assessing each they are measured together in one scale..... I believe this is best done with exploratory factor analysis to see how different questions load of different factors, but if I believe they are different, would confirmatory factor analysis better serve these purposes - force their loadings?  Also, can either of these really be fully conducted in SPSS and provide information about fit and so forth?  And finally, could item response theory help distinguish which questions measure which concepts?  Honestly, I'm still confused by IRT. 

 

Thanks in advance for your insight.  Hope you had a wonderful holiday!



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Re: Fwd: Latent Variable Analysis: CFA, EFA, and IRT?

Art Kendall
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If you have a strong background, and good reasoning then CFA is the only way to be sure that your model fits. However, that requires either expensive extra software or using ad hoc software.

Otherwise, if you have a good may many more cases than variables (10x?), a PAF with varimax rotation will give you a good shot at scales that have discriminative validity.  Be sure to keep only items that load cleanly if you retain more than 1 factor.

It is possible that you will need to generate a larger items pool if you want to have items that measure more constructs.

Parallel analysis will help you determine the number of factors to retain.



Any thing more specific would depend on knowing the actual items, the eigenvalues, etc.
Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants
On 1/20/2014 4:46 PM, Deena Isom [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:


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From: Deena Isom <[hidden email]>
Date: Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:38 PM
Subject: Latent Variable Analysis: CFA, EFA, and IRT?
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Hello List,
 
I'm trying to determine which analytical strategy is best for a current project, and if any are adequately conducted in SPSS or if another stats package is needed.
 
I'm trying to assess if two latent constructs are truly distinct, when in most literature items assessing each they are measured together in one scale..... I believe this is best done with exploratory factor analysis to see how different questions load of different factors, but if I believe they are different, would confirmatory factor analysis better serve these purposes - force their loadings?  Also, can either of these really be fully conducted in SPSS and provide information about fit and so forth?  And finally, could item response theory help distinguish which questions measure which concepts?  Honestly, I'm still confused by IRT. 
 
Thanks in advance for your insight.  Hope you had a wonderful holiday!


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Re: Fwd: Latent Variable Analysis: CFA, EFA, and IRT?

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"However, that requires either expensive extra software or using ad hoc software. "
Not necessarily true:
AFAIK there are a few FREE SEM solutions MX, LISREL has a free student version limited number of variables, there is an R package called lavaan (sp).  Probably others but I have not investigated.
OP take the time to do a little web search and you will likely locate them.

Art Kendall wrote
If you have a strong background, and good reasoning then CFA is
        the only way to be sure that your model fits.
        However, that requires either expensive extra software or using
        ad hoc software.
       
        Otherwise, if you have a good may many more cases than variables
        (10x?), a PAF with varimax rotation will give you a good shot at
        scales that have discriminative validity.  Be sure to keep only
        items that load cleanly if you retain more than 1 factor.
       
        It is possible that you will need to generate a larger items
        pool if you want to have items that measure more constructs.
       
        Parallel analysis will help you determine the number of factors
        to retain.
       
       
       
        Any thing more specific would depend on knowing the actual
        items, the eigenvalues, etc.
     
      Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants
      On 1/20/2014 4:46 PM, Deena Isom [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
   
   
     
       
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          Date: Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:38 PM
          Subject: Latent Variable Analysis: CFA, EFA, and IRT?
          To: [hidden email]
         
         
         
            Hello List,
           
               
            I'm trying to determine which analytical strategy is
              best for a current project, and if any are adequately
              conducted in SPSS or if another stats package is needed.
             
            I'm trying to assess if two latent constructs are truly
              distinct, when in most literature items assessing
              each they are measured together in one scale..... I
              believe this is best done with exploratory factor
              analysis to see how different questions load of different
              factors, but if I believe they are different, would
              confirmatory factor analysis better serve these purposes -
              force their loadings?  Also, can either of these really be
              fully conducted in SPSS and provide information about fit
              and so forth?  And finally, could item response theory
              help distinguish which questions measure which concepts? 
              Honestly, I'm still confused by IRT. 
             
            Thanks in advance for your insight.  Hope you had a
              wonderful holiday!
           
               
                 
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Re: Fwd: Latent Variable Analysis: CFA, EFA, and IRT?

Yang, Hongwei
I suspect AMOS is sufficient for the problem here.

Hongwei Yang, University of Kentucky

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Subject: Re: Fwd: Latent Variable Analysis: CFA, EFA, and IRT?

"However, that requires either expensive extra software or using ad hoc software. "
Not necessarily true:
AFAIK there are a few FREE SEM solutions MX, LISREL has a free student version limited number of variables, there is an R package called lavaan (sp).  Probably others but I have not investigated.
OP take the time to do a little web search and you will likely locate them.


Art Kendall wrote

> If you have a strong background, and good reasoning then CFA is
>         the only way to be sure that your model fits.
>         However, that requires either expensive extra software or using
>         ad hoc software.
>
>         Otherwise, if you have a good may many more cases than variables
>         (10x?), a PAF with varimax rotation will give you a good shot at
>         scales that have discriminative validity.   Be sure to keep only
>         items that load cleanly if you retain more than 1 factor.
>
>         It is possible that you will need to generate a larger items
>         pool if you want to have items that measure more constructs.
>
>         Parallel analysis will help you determine the number of factors
>         to retain.
>
>
>
>         Any thing more specific would depend on knowing the actual
>         items, the eigenvalues, etc.
>
>       Art Kendall
> Social Research Consultants
>       On 1/20/2014 4:46 PM, Deena Isom [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
>
>
>
>
>         ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>           From: Deena Isom &lt; [hidden
>               email] &gt;
>           Date: Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:38 PM
>           Subject: Latent Variable Analysis: CFA, EFA, and IRT?
>           To: [hidden email]
>
>
>
>             Hello List,
>
>
>             I'm trying to determine which analytical strategy is
>               best for a current project, and if any are adequately
>               conducted in SPSS or if another stats package is needed.
>
>             I'm trying to assess if two latent constructs are truly
>               distinct, when in most literature items assessing
>               each  they are measured together in one scale.....  I
>               believe this is best done with exploratory factor
>               analysis  to see how different questions load of different
>               factors, but if I believe they are different, would
>               confirmatory factor analysis better serve these purposes -
>               force their loadings?   Also, can either of these really be
>               fully conducted in SPSS and provide information about fit
>               and so forth?   And finally, could item response theory
>               help distinguish which questions measure which concepts?
>               Honestly, I'm still confused by IRT.
>
>             Thanks in advance for your insight.   Hope you had a
>               wonderful holiday!
>
>
>
>                   --
>                   ~Deena
>
>
>
>
>
>
>         --
>         ~Deena
>
>
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Re: Fwd: Latent Variable Analysis: CFA, EFA, and IRT?

Deena Isom
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Thanks everyone!  That was helpful. 


On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Art Kendall <[hidden email]> wrote:

If you have a strong background, and good reasoning then CFA is the only way to be sure that your model fits. However, that requires either expensive extra software or using ad hoc software.

Otherwise, if you have a good may many more cases than variables (10x?), a PAF with varimax rotation will give you a good shot at scales that have discriminative validity.  Be sure to keep only items that load cleanly if you retain more than 1 factor.

It is possible that you will need to generate a larger items pool if you want to have items that measure more constructs.

Parallel analysis will help you determine the number of factors to retain.



Any thing more specific would depend on knowing the actual items, the eigenvalues, etc.
Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants
On 1/20/2014 4:46 PM, Deena Isom [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:


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From: Deena Isom <[hidden email]>
Date: Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:38 PM
Subject: Latent Variable Analysis: CFA, EFA, and IRT?
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Hello List,
 
I'm trying to determine which analytical strategy is best for a current project, and if any are adequately conducted in SPSS or if another stats package is needed.
 
I'm trying to assess if two latent constructs are truly distinct, when in most literature items assessing each they are measured together in one scale..... I believe this is best done with exploratory factor analysis to see how different questions load of different factors, but if I believe they are different, would confirmatory factor analysis better serve these purposes - force their loadings?  Also, can either of these really be fully conducted in SPSS and provide information about fit and so forth?  And finally, could item response theory help distinguish which questions measure which concepts?  Honestly, I'm still confused by IRT. 
 
Thanks in advance for your insight.  Hope you had a wonderful holiday!


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