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Barry Nagle

Is 16.0 Worth It?

We have yet to install 16.0 although we received the software a few
months ago. I know that two patches have been released but there seem
to be a LOT of issues posted on the listserv about 16.0. For those who
upgraded from 15.0, has it created more problems than it's worth? I'm
curious because we have time right now to upgrade but I'm hesitant
because of all of the issues the software seems to have. Thoughts?

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Justin Meyer-3

Re: Is 16.0 Worth It?

I have the same problem. I have 16.0 in a drawer because I'm afraid that
it will cause problems if I install it. For now, I am going to leave
well enough alone.

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Justin Meyer

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-----Original Message-----
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Barry Nagle
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:30 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Is 16.0 Worth It?

We have yet to install 16.0 although we received the software a few
months ago. I know that two patches have been released but there seem
to be a LOT of issues posted on the listserv about 16.0. For those who
upgraded from 15.0, has it created more problems than it's worth? I'm
curious because we have time right now to upgrade but I'm hesitant
because of all of the issues the software seems to have. Thoughts?

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Graham Wright-2

Re: Is 16.0 Worth It?

Our University got a license for 16 and my coworker upgraded. I had seen
postings on this list and decided to stick with 15. After a month or so,
he got so frustrated with everything that he ended up uninstalling it
and going back to 15. Since it was the university that paid for it, it
wasn't a big deal for us, but I would have been pretty mad if I had
actually shelled out my own money to pay for it, after seeing how many
problems there were.

-Graham Wright

Justin Meyer wrote:

> I have the same problem. I have 16.0 in a drawer because I'm afraid that
> it will cause problems if I install it. For now, I am going to leave
> well enough alone.
>
> ____________________________________
>
> Justin Meyer
>
> Rowland Reading Foundation
>
> phone: 866-370-7323 fax: 608-204-3846
>
> ____________________________________
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Barry Nagle
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:30 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Is 16.0 Worth It?
>
> We have yet to install 16.0 although we received the software a few
> months ago. I know that two patches have been released but there seem
> to be a LOT of issues posted on the listserv about 16.0. For those who
> upgraded from 15.0, has it created more problems than it's worth? I'm
> curious because we have time right now to upgrade but I'm hesitant
> because of all of the issues the software seems to have. Thoughts?
>
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Christian Deindl

Re: Is 16.0 Worth It?

since it is possible to install 16.0 without having to deinstall previous
versions of SPSS you can give it a try.
I have done it and encountered no problems.
but since the previous version is the default to open files, I have used
SPSS 16.0 just a few times.

christian

On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:08:20 -0400
Graham Wright <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Our University got a license for 16 and my coworker upgraded. I had seen
> postings on this list and decided to stick with 15. After a month or so,
> he got so frustrated with everything that he ended up uninstalling it
> and going back to 15. Since it was the university that paid for it, it
> wasn't a big deal for us, but I would have been pretty mad if I had
> actually shelled out my own money to pay for it, after seeing how many
> problems there were.
>
> -Graham Wright
>
> Justin Meyer wrote:
>> I have the same problem. I have 16.0 in a drawer because I'm afraid that
>> it will cause problems if I install it. For now, I am going to leave
>> well enough alone.
>>
>> ____________________________________
>>
>> Justin Meyer
>>
>> Rowland Reading Foundation
>>
>> phone: 866-370-7323 fax: 608-204-3846
>>
>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> Barry Nagle
>> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:30 AM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Is 16.0 Worth It?
>>
>> We have yet to install 16.0 although we received the software a few
>> months ago. I know that two patches have been released but there seem
>> to be a LOT of issues posted on the listserv about 16.0. For those who
>> upgraded from 15.0, has it created more problems than it's worth? I'm
>> curious because we have time right now to upgrade but I'm hesitant
>> because of all of the issues the software seems to have. Thoughts?
>>
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Baker, Harley

Re: Is 16.0 Worth It?

This is also what I have done and found it to work quite effectively with
SPSS 16 and SPSS 14. Windows allows one to set a particular version of SPSS
as the default when opening data files.

Harley

Dr. Harley Baker
Associate Professor and Chair, Psychology Program
California State University Channel Islands
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> From: Christian Deindl <[hidden email]>
> Reply-To: Christian Deindl <[hidden email]>
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:35:53 +0200
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: Is 16.0 Worth It?
>
> since it is possible to install 16.0 without having to deinstall previous
> versions of SPSS you can give it a try.
> I have done it and encountered no problems.
> but since the previous version is the default to open files, I have used
> SPSS 16.0 just a few times.
>
> christian
>
>
>
> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:08:20 -0400
> Graham Wright <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Our University got a license for 16 and my coworker upgraded. I had seen
>> postings on this list and decided to stick with 15. After a month or so,
>> he got so frustrated with everything that he ended up uninstalling it
>> and going back to 15. Since it was the university that paid for it, it
>> wasn't a big deal for us, but I would have been pretty mad if I had
>> actually shelled out my own money to pay for it, after seeing how many
>> problems there were.
>>
>> -Graham Wright
>>
>> Justin Meyer wrote:
>>> I have the same problem. I have 16.0 in a drawer because I'm afraid that
>>> it will cause problems if I install it. For now, I am going to leave
>>> well enough alone.
>>>
>>> ____________________________________
>>>
>>> Justin Meyer
>>>
>>> Rowland Reading Foundation
>>>
>>> phone: 866-370-7323 fax: 608-204-3846
>>>
>>> ____________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>>> Barry Nagle
>>> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:30 AM
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Is 16.0 Worth It?
>>>
>>> We have yet to install 16.0 although we received the software a few
>>> months ago. I know that two patches have been released but there seem
>>> to be a LOT of issues posted on the listserv about 16.0. For those who
>>> upgraded from 15.0, has it created more problems than it's worth? I'm
>>> curious because we have time right now to upgrade but I'm hesitant
>>> because of all of the issues the software seems to have. Thoughts?
>>>
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Francien Berndsen

Re: Is 16.0 Worth It?

In reply to this post by Graham Wright-2

I've installed both spss 15 and spss 16, but I mostly use 15. The interface
of 16 is slow, I cannot print my output (I already contacted tech support,
but the Dutch version of tech support never answered my e-mail). I only use
16 when I want to change the length of a couple of string-variables, because
with version 16 that's much easier.

Francien

> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] Namens Graham
> Wright
> Verzonden: maandag 16 juni 2008 18:08
> Aan: [hidden email]
> Onderwerp: Re: [SPSSX-L] Is 16.0 Worth It?
>
> Our University got a license for 16 and my coworker upgraded. I had seen
> postings on this list and decided to stick with 15. After a month or so,
> he got so frustrated with everything that he ended up uninstalling it
> and going back to 15. Since it was the university that paid for it, it
> wasn't a big deal for us, but I would have been pretty mad if I had
> actually shelled out my own money to pay for it, after seeing how many
> problems there were.
>
> -Graham Wright
>
> Justin Meyer wrote:
> > I have the same problem. I have 16.0 in a drawer because I'm afraid that
> > it will cause problems if I install it. For now, I am going to leave
> > well enough alone.
> >
> > ____________________________________
> >
> > Justin Meyer
> >
> > Rowland Reading Foundation
> >
> > phone: 866-370-7323 fax: 608-204-3846
> >
> > ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> > Barry Nagle
> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:30 AM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Is 16.0 Worth It?
> >
> > We have yet to install 16.0 although we received the software a few
> > months ago. I know that two patches have been released but there seem
> > to be a LOT of issues posted on the listserv about 16.0. For those who
> > upgraded from 15.0, has it created more problems than it's worth? I'm
> > curious because we have time right now to upgrade but I'm hesitant
> > because of all of the issues the software seems to have. Thoughts?
> >
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Chris Traynor

Re: Is 16.0 Worth It?

In reply to this post by Barry Nagle

Along with the other messages in this thread...our entire department (12
users) installed 16.0 and after numerous issues (mostly associated with
the interface slowness, inability to generate large pivot tables) we
unaminously agreed and switched back to 15.0. Alhtough I admire the
optimism of Eric's reply to my post dated 5/16/08 (cut and pasted below),
I just can't see how anyone would find this version acceptable. IMO SPSS
should have worked on the java interface and perfected over the next
couple years while updating with the old platform. I see where SPSS is
going and looking forward to future versions...but it was too soon to make
change to the java interface.

Chris

>>> On 5/16/2008 at 9:21 AM, in message
<[hidden email]>, Chris Traynor
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> IT installed SPSS v16 the other day...why does it lag when I scroll
across
> my variables now?
>
> Chris

Java.

16 has had its interface rewritten in Java. Anything written in Java is
much slower than programming code written specifically for a given
platform. For me, machines that ran 14 without effort now cycle their
fans to high speed under the stress of running Java.

The rewrite was a huge coding job, and I'd be surpised if SPSS was able to
do any optimizing. It is hard to program well, especially on a tight
release cycle. Add to that writing everything new from
scratch. "Admirable" is how I'd word the accomplishment of turning out a
functioning yet entirely new interface in the normal release cycle
following 15.

This switch will enable SPSS to release one version for all platforms.
That efficiency will then be turned into making an even better SPSS for
everyone.

Eric

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Eric Zylstra

Re: Is 16.0 Worth It?

I sometimes try to mask my frustration with a less than obvious sarcasm. Does that change the tone of my message?

EZ

>>> On 6/18/2008 at 1:25 PM, in message
<[hidden email]>, Chris Traynor
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Along with the other messages in this thread...our entire department (12
> users) installed 16.0 and after numerous issues (mostly associated with
> the interface slowness, inability to generate large pivot tables) we
> unaminously agreed and switched back to 15.0. Alhtough I admire the
> optimism of Eric's reply to my post dated 5/16/08 (cut and pasted below),
> I just can't see how anyone would find this version acceptable. IMO SPSS
> should have worked on the java interface and perfected over the next
> couple years while updating with the old platform. I see where SPSS is
> going and looking forward to future versions...but it was too soon to make
> change to the java interface.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>>>> On 5/16/2008 at 9:21 AM, in message
> <[hidden email]>, Chris Traynor
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> IT installed SPSS v16 the other day...why does it lag when I scroll
> across
>> my variables now?
>>
>> Chris
>
> Java.
>
> 16 has had its interface rewritten in Java. Anything written in Java is
> much slower than programming code written specifically for a given
> platform. For me, machines that ran 14 without effort now cycle their
> fans to high speed under the stress of running Java.
>
> The rewrite was a huge coding job, and I'd be surpised if SPSS was able to
> do any optimizing. It is hard to program well, especially on a tight
> release cycle. Add to that writing everything new from
> scratch. "Admirable" is how I'd word the accomplishment of turning out a
> functioning yet entirely new interface in the normal release cycle
> following 15.
>
> This switch will enable SPSS to release one version for all platforms.
> That efficiency will then be turned into making an even better SPSS for
> everyone.
>
> Eric
>
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Lombardo, Barbara

Re: Is 16.0 Worth It?

In reply to this post by Chris Traynor

I have been saying the same thing for some time now. It is not worth it
and I hope SPSS does something about it.

Barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Chris Traynor
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 2:26 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Is 16.0 Worth It?

Along with the other messages in this thread...our entire department (12
users) installed 16.0 and after numerous issues (mostly associated with
the interface slowness, inability to generate large pivot tables) we
unaminously agreed and switched back to 15.0. Alhtough I admire the
optimism of Eric's reply to my post dated 5/16/08 (cut and pasted
below),
I just can't see how anyone would find this version acceptable. IMO SPSS
should have worked on the java interface and perfected over the next
couple years while updating with the old platform. I see where SPSS is
going and looking forward to future versions...but it was too soon to
make
change to the java interface.

Chris

>>> On 5/16/2008 at 9:21 AM, in message
<[hidden email]>, Chris Traynor
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> IT installed SPSS v16 the other day...why does it lag when I scroll
across
> my variables now?
>
> Chris

Java.

16 has had its interface rewritten in Java. Anything written in Java is
much slower than programming code written specifically for a given
platform. For me, machines that ran 14 without effort now cycle their
fans to high speed under the stress of running Java.

The rewrite was a huge coding job, and I'd be surpised if SPSS was able
to
do any optimizing. It is hard to program well, especially on a tight
release cycle. Add to that writing everything new from
scratch. "Admirable" is how I'd word the accomplishment of turning out
a
functioning yet entirely new interface in the normal release cycle
following 15.

This switch will enable SPSS to release one version for all platforms.
That efficiency will then be turned into making an even better SPSS for
everyone.

Eric

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Shih, Thomas

Re: Is 16.0 Worth It?

I'm with you, Barbara.

Thomas

-----Original Message-----
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Lombardo, Barbara
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:37 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Is 16.0 Worth It?

I have been saying the same thing for some time now. It is not worth it
and I hope SPSS does something about it.

Barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Chris Traynor
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 2:26 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Is 16.0 Worth It?

Along with the other messages in this thread...our entire department (12
users) installed 16.0 and after numerous issues (mostly associated with
the interface slowness, inability to generate large pivot tables) we
unaminously agreed and switched back to 15.0. Alhtough I admire the
optimism of Eric's reply to my post dated 5/16/08 (cut and pasted
below), I just can't see how anyone would find this version acceptable.
IMO SPSS should have worked on the java interface and perfected over the
next couple years while updating with the old platform. I see where SPSS
is going and looking forward to future versions...but it was too soon to
make change to the java interface.

Chris

>>> On 5/16/2008 at 9:21 AM, in message
<[hidden email]>, Chris Traynor
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> IT installed SPSS v16 the other day...why does it lag when I scroll
across
> my variables now?
>
> Chris

Java.

16 has had its interface rewritten in Java. Anything written in Java is
much slower than programming code written specifically for a given
platform. For me, machines that ran 14 without effort now cycle their
fans to high speed under the stress of running Java.

The rewrite was a huge coding job, and I'd be surpised if SPSS was able
to do any optimizing. It is hard to program well, especially on a tight
release cycle. Add to that writing everything new from scratch.
"Admirable" is how I'd word the accomplishment of turning out a
functioning yet entirely new interface in the normal release cycle
following 15.

This switch will enable SPSS to release one version for all platforms.
That efficiency will then be turned into making an even better SPSS for
everyone.

Eric

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Lemon, John S.

Re: Is 16.0 Worth It?

I have been watching this thread with interest as we released 16 to our users as soon as it was available; this was at their request and although a few have retained 15 the large majority have converted to 16. There have been a few 'gripes' about the 'poor focus' of the menus but most people reckon this is outweighed by the new features that the rewritten interface has achieved. Resizing the dialog boxes, drag and drop are just a couple of the advantages that make life easier.

We believe that 16 is robust enough to support our teaching classrooms so that will be the version offered when the students return for the next academic year.

Best Wishes

John S. Lemon
Student Liaison Officer
Directorate of Information Technology (DIT) - University of Aberdeen
Edward Wright Building: Room G51
Tel: +44 1224 273350
Fax: +44 1224 273372

The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No SC013683.

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John Fiedler

Re: Is 16.0 Worth It?

I bought 16, I wanted 16.
I don't really need 16.
I'm still running 15.
I am a one person shop; the last thing I need is any problems with my main
means of making money.

JOHN

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lemon, John S." <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Is 16.0 Worth It?

>I have been watching this thread with interest as we released 16 to our
>users as soon as it was available; this was at their request and although a
>few have retained 15 the large majority have converted to 16. There have
>been a few 'gripes' about the 'poor focus' of the menus but most people
>reckon this is outweighed by the new features that the rewritten interface
>has achieved. Resizing the dialog boxes, drag and drop are just a couple of
>the advantages that make life easier.
>
> We believe that 16 is robust enough to support our teaching classrooms so
> that will be the version offered when the students return for the next
> academic year.
>
> Best Wishes
>
> John S. Lemon
> Student Liaison Officer
> Directorate of Information Technology (DIT) - University of Aberdeen
> Edward Wright Building: Room G51
> Tel: +44 1224 273350
> Fax: +44 1224 273372
>
>
>
> The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No
> SC013683.
>
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Kornbrot, Diana

Re: Is 16.0 Worth It?

In reply to this post by Lemon, John S.

Spss can be justly proud of some innovations in 16
BUT the interface is definitely 1 step forward 2 steps back
Its a REAL pain not to be able to list the files by date in LIST view
ordered, when opening and saving the column view is a nuisance to navigate
WORSE is the interface for the new graphs.
I ad mire the flexibility, but the time & effort needed to get a simple
scatter plot or line graph is a real waste of my valuable time
Do NOT get rid of the legacy graphs [even if some of the features have been
dwongraded]
I really miss being able to put the equation and r^2 on my line graphs when
doing preliminary exploration, although I understand tis probably been
removed because its an unsuitable presentation for publication

Best
Diana

On 19/6/08 20:13, "Lemon, John S." <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I have been watching this thread with interest as we released 16 to our users
> as soon as it was available; this was at their request and although a few have
> retained 15 the large majority have converted to 16. There have been a few
> 'gripes' about the 'poor focus' of the menus but most people reckon this is
> outweighed by the new features that the rewritten interface has achieved.
> Resizing the dialog boxes, drag and drop are just a couple of the advantages
> that make life easier.
>
> We believe that 16 is robust enough to support our teaching classrooms so that
> will be the version offered when the students return for the next academic
> year.
>
> Best Wishes
>
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