Is Mult Response Crosstabs an add-on procedure?
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Is Mult Response Crosstabs an add-on procedure?
 
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I have the basic package, plus Regression
and Advanced Statistics (all v. 19). Do I have to pay extra to access Mult
Response Crosstabs? I can access Mult Response /Frequencies...
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From the FM: "MULT RESPONSE is available in the Statistics Base option."
Also from the FM: Example MULT RESPONSE GROUPS=MAGS 'MAGAZINES READ' (TIME TO STONE (2)) /VARIABLES=EDUC (1,3)/TABLES=EDUC BY MAGS. * The TABLES subcommand requests a crosstabulation of variable EDUC by the multiple-dichotomy group MAGS.
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AFAIK, Mult Response/Frequencies IS where you do Mult Response crosstabs.
However, you must first define mult response pseudo variables, then do crosstabs on them. ... Mark Miller
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:55 PM, David Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote: I have the basic package, plus Regression and Advanced Statistics (all v. 19). Do I have to pay extra to access Mult Response Crosstabs? I can access Mult Response /Frequencies... |
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Yes, it let's me run /TABLES using the
MULT RESPONSE command, but I can't get Chi Square values that way. If I
run CROSSTABS after defining the variables with MULT RESPONSE, it gives
me an illegal variable error.
Grrr. David W. Thompson, PhD, ABPP Diplomate in Forensic Psychology American Board of Professional Psychology Deputy Director Walworth Co. Dept. of Health and Human Services 262-741-3232 (voice) 262-741-3217 (fax) NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable laws. This communication is intended for the sole use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. Dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail and any files transmitted with it without the consent of the sender is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please do not distribute it. Please notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown and delete the original message. Thank you. From: Mark Miller <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Cc: [hidden email] Date: 01/17/2013 04:19 PM Subject: Re: Is Mult Response Crosstabs an add-on procedure? AFAIK, Mult Response/Frequencies IS where you do Mult Response crosstabs. However, you must first define mult response pseudo variables, then do crosstabs on them. ... Mark Miller On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:55 PM, David Thompson <dthompson@...> wrote: I have the basic package, plus Regression and Advanced Statistics (all v. 19). Do I have to pay extra to access Mult Response Crosstabs? I can access Mult Response /Frequencies... David David W. Thompson, PhD, ABPP Diplomate in Forensic Psychology American Board of Professional Psychology Deputy Director Walworth Co. Dept. of Health and Human Services <a href="tel:262-741-3232" target=_blank>262-741-3232 (voice) <a href="tel:262-741-3217" target=_blank>262-741-3217 (fax) NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable laws. This communication is intended for the sole use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. Dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail and any files transmitted with it without the consent of the sender is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please do not distribute it. Please notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown and delete the original message. Thank you. |
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Bruce Weaver's example using syntax is by far the easiest way to do mult repsonse crosstabs.
I don't have SPSS access right this moment, but my recollection is the gui/menu approach to mult response is klunk and split into two parts.
... Mark Miller
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Mark Miller <[hidden email]> wrote: AFAIK, Mult Response/Frequencies IS where you do Mult Response crosstabs. |
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Unless I am mistaken, CROSSTABS and Mult Reponse crosstabs are two completely different animals.
... Mark Miller On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Mark Miller <[hidden email]> wrote: Bruce Weaver's example using syntax is by far the easiest way to do mult repsonse crosstabs. |
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I am using syntax vs the GUI. I can produce
the tables using MULT RESPONSE, but can't get Chi Square values that way.
David W. Thompson, PhD, ABPP Diplomate in Forensic Psychology American Board of Professional Psychology Deputy Director Walworth Co. Dept. of Health and Human Services 262-741-3232 (voice) 262-741-3217 (fax) NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable laws. This communication is intended for the sole use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. Dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail and any files transmitted with it without the consent of the sender is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please do not distribute it. Please notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown and delete the original message. Thank you. From: Mark Miller <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Date: 01/17/2013 04:24 PM Subject: Re: Is Mult Response Crosstabs an add-on procedure? Sent by: "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <[hidden email]> Bruce Weaver's example using syntax is by far the easiest way to do mult repsonse crosstabs. I don't have SPSS access right this moment, but my recollection is the gui/menu approach to mult response is klunk and split into two parts. ... Mark Miller On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Mark Miller <mdhmiller@...> wrote: AFAIK, Mult Response/Frequencies IS where you do Mult Response crosstabs. However, you must first define mult response pseudo variables, then do crosstabs on them. ... Mark Miller On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:55 PM, David Thompson <dthompson@...> wrote: I have the basic package, plus Regression and Advanced Statistics (all v. 19). Do I have to pay extra to access Mult Response Crosstabs? I can access Mult Response /Frequencies... David David W. Thompson, PhD, ABPP Diplomate in Forensic Psychology American Board of Professional Psychology Deputy Director Walworth Co. Dept. of Health and Human Services <a href="tel:262-741-3232" target=_blank>262-741-3232 (voice) <a href="tel:262-741-3217" target=_blank>262-741-3217 (fax) NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable laws. This communication is intended for the sole use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. Dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail and any files transmitted with it without the consent of the sender is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please do not distribute it. Please notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown and delete the original message. Thank you. |
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You can also create crosstabulations with
the MULT RESPONSE command, using the TABLES subcommand:
MULT RESPONSE GROUPS=MAGS 'MAGAZINES READ' (TIME TO STONE (2)) /VARIABLES=EDUC (1,3)/TABLES=EDUC BY MAGS. You cannot create crosstabulation of multiple response sets with the CROSSTABS command. If you have the Custom Tables option, you can also create crosstabulations of multiple response sets with the TABLES command. Rick Oliver Senior Information Developer IBM Business Analytics (SPSS) E-mail: [hidden email] From: Mark Miller <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email], Date: 01/17/2013 04:27 PM Subject: Re: Is Mult Response Crosstabs an add-on procedure? Sent by: "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <[hidden email]> Unless I am mistaken, CROSSTABS and Mult Reponse crosstabs are two completely different animals. ... Mark Miller On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Mark Miller <mdhmiller@...> wrote: Bruce Weaver's example using syntax is by far the easiest way to do mult repsonse crosstabs. I don't have SPSS access right this moment, but my recollection is the gui/menu approach to mult response is klunk and split into two parts. ... Mark Miller On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Mark Miller <mdhmiller@...> wrote: AFAIK, Mult Response/Frequencies IS where you do Mult Response crosstabs. However, you must first define mult response pseudo variables, then do crosstabs on them. ... Mark Miller On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:55 PM, David Thompson <dthompson@...> wrote: I have the basic package, plus Regression and Advanced Statistics (all v. 19). Do I have to pay extra to access Mult Response Crosstabs? I can access Mult Response /Frequencies... David David W. Thompson, PhD, ABPP Diplomate in Forensic Psychology American Board of Professional Psychology Deputy Director Walworth Co. Dept. of Health and Human Services <a href="tel:262-741-3232" target=_blank>262-741-3232 (voice) <a href="tel:262-741-3217" target=_blank>262-741-3217 (fax) NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable laws. This communication is intended for the sole use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. Dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail and any files transmitted with it without the consent of the sender is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please do not distribute it. Please notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown and delete the original message. Thank you. |
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I do not believe that mult response has ever produced stat tests like chi-squared
and the underlying reason is that WHAT is counted is ambiguous - respondents or responses. ... Mark Miller
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Rick Oliver <[hidden email]> wrote: You can also create crosstabulations with the MULT RESPONSE command, using the TABLES subcommand: |
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"I do not believe that mult response has ever produced stat tests like
chi-squared and the underlying reason is that WHAT is counted is ambiguous - respondents or responses." --- Your belief/recall is correct however the 'what is counted' reason is *NOT*. In the Chi Square statistic what is the fundamental assumption? Drum Roll....... INDEPENDENCE!!!! In a multiple response scenario that clearly does not apply! Important to realize that the Chi Square Statistic is actually a statement of how well the data fit a MODEL!! What is this model? That the distribution of the row variable is INDEPENDENT of the distribution of the column variable? What does this mean? That the cell proportion EXPECTED under the MODEL can be expressed as the product of the proportion in the row and the column marginals. ChiSqu = SUM ((O-E)**2/E) .... Go find a book! Anytime you see someone discussing/defending the use of Chi Square with multiple response data you can conclude. 1. They are utterly full of crap? OR 2. They are incredibly sophisticated and have some awesome formula for correctly expressing the terms E which AFAIK is very complicated to solve! ---
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Not wanting to be full of crap (and having
25 years of Life since my last stats course), please give me some stats
advice:
I received a small data set from a colleague who conducted a survey using Survey Monkey. He surveyed professionals (n=78) about their use of specific instruments (n=3), and asked them to endorse one or more attributes of each instrument (total attributes for each instrument=18). Not all respondents rated all three instruments, although some did. The 18 attributes were dichotomous. Some respondent variables were also collected (geographic region, experience, training). My colleague is interested in understanding the differences between instruments and their attributes as rated by the respondents. Given the lack of independence of the data, what would be an appropriate analysis procedure? David David W. Thompson, PhD, ABPP Diplomate in Forensic Psychology American Board of Professional Psychology Deputy Director Walworth Co. Dept. of Health and Human Services 262-741-3232 (voice) 262-741-3217 (fax) NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable laws. This communication is intended for the sole use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. Dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail and any files transmitted with it without the consent of the sender is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please do not distribute it. Please notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown and delete the original message. Thank you. From: David Marso <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Date: 01/17/2013 05:33 PM Subject: Re: Is Mult Response Crosstabs an add-on procedure? Sent by: "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <[hidden email]> "I do not believe that mult response has ever produced stat tests like chi-squared and the underlying reason is that WHAT is counted is ambiguous - respondents or responses." --- Your belief/recall is correct however the 'what is counted' reason is *NOT*. In the Chi Square statistic what is *the* fundamental assumption? Drum Roll....... INDEPENDENCE!!!! In a multiple response scenario that clearly does not apply! Important to realize that the Chi Square Statistic is actually a statement of how well the data fit a *MODEL*!! What is this model? That the distribution of the row variable is *INDEPENDENT *of the distribution of the column variable? What does this mean? That the cell proportion EXPECTED under the MODEL can be expressed as the product of the proportion in the row and the column marginals. ChiSqu = SUM ((O-E)**2/E) .... Go find a book! Anytime you see someone discussing/defending the use of Chi Square with multiple response data you can conclude. 1. They are utterly full of crap? OR 2. They are incredibly sophisticated and have some awesome formula for correctly expressing the terms E which ASAIK is very complicated to solve! --- Mark Miller wrote > I do not believe that mult response has ever produced stat tests like > chi-squared > and the underlying reason is that WHAT is counted is ambiguous - > respondents or responses. > > ... Mark Miller > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Rick Oliver < > oliverr@.ibm > > wrote: > >> You can also create crosstabulations with the MULT RESPONSE command, >> using >> the TABLES subcommand: >> >> MULT RESPONSE GROUPS=MAGS 'MAGAZINES READ' (TIME TO STONE (2)) >> /VARIABLES=EDUC (1,3)/TABLES=EDUC BY MAGS. >> >> You cannot create crosstabulation of multiple response sets with the >> CROSSTABS command. >> >> If you have the Custom Tables option, you can also create >> crosstabulations >> of multiple response sets with the TABLES command. >> >> Rick Oliver >> Senior Information Developer >> IBM Business Analytics (SPSS) >> E-mail: > oliverr@.ibm >> >> >> >> From: Mark Miller < > mdhmiller@ > > >> To: > SPSSX-L@.uga > , >> Date: 01/17/2013 04:27 PM >> Subject: Re: Is Mult Response Crosstabs an add-on procedure? >> Sent by: "SPSSX(r) Discussion" < > SPSSX-L@.uga > > >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Unless I am mistaken, CROSSTABS and Mult Reponse crosstabs are two >> completely different animals. >> >> >> ... Mark Miller >> >> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Mark Miller <* > mdhmiller@ > *< > mdhmiller@ > >> >> wrote: >> Bruce Weaver's example using syntax is by far the easiest way to do mult >> repsonse crosstabs. >> I don't have SPSS access right this moment, but my recollection is the >> gui/menu >> approach to mult response is klunk and split into two parts. >> >> ... Mark Miller >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Mark Miller <* > mdhmiller@ > *< > mdhmiller@ > >> >> wrote: >> AFAIK, Mult Response/Frequencies IS where you do Mult Response crosstabs. >> However, you must first define mult response pseudo variables, then do >> crosstabs on them. >> >> ... Mark Miller >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:55 PM, David Thompson <* >> > dthompson@.wi > * < > dthompson@.wi > >> wrote: >> I have the basic package, plus Regression and Advanced Statistics (all v. >> 19). Do I have to pay extra to access Mult Response Crosstabs? I can >> access >> Mult Response /Frequencies... >> >> David >> >> >> David W. Thompson, PhD, ABPP >> Diplomate in Forensic Psychology >> American Board of Professional Psychology >> >> Deputy Director >> Walworth Co. Dept. of Health and Human Services* >> **262-741-3232* <262-741-3232> (voice) *262-741-3217* <262-741-3217> >> (fax) >> >> NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and any files transmitted with it >> may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from >> disclosure under applicable laws. This communication is intended for the >> sole use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. >> Dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail and any >> files transmitted with it without the consent of the sender is strictly >> prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please do not >> distribute it. Please notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown >> and >> delete the original message. 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It's been far more than 25 for me (somehow I am permanently cursed)!
"what would be an appropriate analysis procedure?" It is unclear as to how what you originally described applies aside from an 18x18x18 something or another mapped onto demogs and what not. Let's see, get about 20,000 more subjects and you might be able to do something 'statistical' with it. Meanwhile, probably best to stick with some tables and pretty pictures or hire a survey 'statistician' to cobble together some 'lies' and tie a nice ribbon around it.
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Hi David, Here’s what I think… 1) The amount of data, both in terms of base size and number of variables is very small, so, you can run some straightforward percentages and means to report back to your friend. 2) Your base size is very small and can’t be broken into subgroups for much useful analysis, n=78; so, for the most part, you can just use straight frequencies to report your information (% of people from each region, average years of experience, etc.) or you can run some descriptive, but, make sure all of your blanks are showing up as system missing and are not 0 filled (unless you want them to be). 3) For the multiple response situation, I don’t think you need cross tabs, just do the following… a. Define your multiple response variables through the menu (I’m a syntax girl but the menu is convenient for creating this syntax). b. Use the menu to run a multiple frequency on the data; and paste the syntax into the syntax editor. It will look something like this. qs6_10 qs6_11 qs6_12 qs6_13 qs6_14 qs6_15 (1)) /FREQUENCIES=$Q_ATTRIBUTES. c. Then do it for each group and highlight and run the frequencies. Print them and then use the data to create a nice bar chart in something like PowerPoint that compares the 3 instruments. As for statistics, your margin of error is +/- 11%; therefore, differences greater than 11% are not going to be due to sampling error and that might be a safe way to look at it. d. By the way, I am not sure how the data is set-up, my response is based on the assumption that you have 3 sets of 18 Attribute dichotomy variables, one for each instrument. Good luck and enjoy your analysis J, Jeanne Eidex Group, LLC desk: 770.614.6334 cell: 678.520.7456 From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Thompson Not wanting to be full of crap (and having 25 years of Life since my last stats course), please give me some stats advice:
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I don't see any use at all for mult response here.
For the most part, after simple tabs, you don't want to bother with most of the individual items -- Pick out a couple of the items, if they are really pertinent, but use the 18 to make two or three summary scores/ composite scores. Everything "good" can go into one total, for best performer -- maybe that uses all 18 items, after reversing the scoring where needed. Also make two or three totals that use subsets of items, preferable not overlapping. You can look at overall averages, but your best tests will probably be from the paired t-tests that you can run, using just the data were raters have rated two instruments. - If you want to look at a single dichotomous item, that becomes the McNemar Test for Changes on a 2x2 table, which uses only the off-diagonal cells: This is essentially a Sign test on the subjects who give opposite ratings on two instruments. You can look at the demographic variables to see if they show different totals, but the total N of 78 gives you poor power for concluding much, even if there seems to be a difference. (This wasn't a random sample of anything, but just a "sample of convenience," right?) -- Rich Ulrich Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 07:46:47 -0600 From: [hidden email] Subject: Re: Is Mult Response Crosstabs an add-on procedure? To: [hidden email] Not wanting to be full of crap (and having 25 years of Life since my last stats course), please give me some stats advice: I received a small data set from a colleague who conducted a survey using Survey Monkey. He surveyed professionals (n=78) about their use of specific instruments (n=3), and asked them to endorse one or more attributes of each instrument (total attributes for each instrument=18). Not all respondents rated all three instruments, although some did. The 18 attributes were dichotomous. Some respondent variables were also collected (geographic region, experience, training). My colleague is interested in understanding the differences between instruments and their attributes as rated by the respondents. Given the lack of independence of the data, what would be an appropriate analysis procedure? David ... |
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Taking it another step or two:
IF one had a huge sample it would be interesting to see how the various patterns of the attribute endorsements emerge. But since you don't do NOT bother to do anything with the following! --- Ie With 18 attributes there are C(18,2) 18!/16! 2! = 18*17/2=9*17=153 possible pairwise selections. These could be directly analyzed using some form of dimension reduction technique (I am being deliberately agnostic here). However with only 78 respondents this is just GIGOnostication. Getting deeper: Why stop at 2 way relationships. Quite possibly 3 way and 4 way patterns are interesting and could form the basis of identifying stable dimensions of the attribute set over and above pairwise relationships. However there are 18!/15! 3! =272 possible triplets. 18!/14! 4! =3060 possible quads. 153+272+3060 = 3485 combinations of possible interest even if one only considers joint endorsement up to level 4. ---- So? who cares? Well, are the frequency distributions of these patterns the same over the 3 instruments? Do they vary according to demographic profiles etc? ------------ Analytically? Real fun but I'm not going to go there today! --- But as is obvious, 78 cases is NOT going to give squat! --- I have thought about this kind of thing a lot over the years and the resulting bramage is one reason why I try to avoid marketing research like the plague. --
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