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Dear all on the list, This message is being posted for the second time,I have the following table and I need to calculate the p-value for it. I appreciate any help............... Table 2. Participants’ awareness of child maltreatment
Ismail K. Noor, Ph.D., (966) 1-2520088 Ext. 40109 (Office-Riyadh) (966) 50-717-2356 (cell-Riyadh) |
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I've allways wonder why SPSS doent gave the Z or p value in Costum Tables (or Crosstabs v19). Everytime y need a Z test for a diference in proportions and I nedd to report the Z and p value. I do the calculations in Excel Andrés Mg. Andrés Burga León Coordinador de Análisis e Informática Unidad de Medición de la Calidad Educativa Ministerio de Educación del Perú Calle El Comercio s/n (espalda del Museo de la Nación) Lima 41 Perú Teléfono 615-5840 -- On Wed, 3/23/11, Ismail Noor <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Ismail Noor <[hidden email]> Subject: P-value help---urgent need for help To: [hidden email] Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 5:17 PM Dear all on the list, This message is being posted for the second time, I have the following table and I need to calculate the p-value for it. I appreciate any help............... Table 2. Participants’ awareness of child maltreatment
Ismail K. Noor, Ph.D., (966) 1-2520088 Ext. 40109 (Office-Riyadh) (966) 50-717-2356 (cell-Riyadh) |
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Precisely what part of Bruce's reply of the 21st citing
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.soft-sys.stat.spss/browse_frm/thread/e8abd285cc0e4cd1/3fa8e889cde9c118?lnk=gst&q=chi-square+weight+#3fa8e889cde9c118 do you not understand? In a nutshell: Create a single row of data for each cell and weight by the FREQ count. Run a Crosstab and ask for Chi Square, or are you leaving something important out of your request? Most would assume that you are attempting to determine whether the rows and columns of the table are statistically independent. That is what the Chi Square will address. When you post "for a second time" it would be prudent to specify what part of what was previously answered was inadequate, inapplicable, or internetelepathically misconstrued. Furthermore it would be best to reply to the previous thread rather than opening up a new one.
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Help him! We get
enough cheap oil from them!
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Dear Ismail, I hope I do not sound too harsh but i just want to mention to you that this list is for people who have learned basics of statistical analysis, have made an effort to solve their problems using easily acceptable books and other resources and got stuck at a specific point and need a little help to keep going again on their own.
Your question indicates that you have done none of those steps. This may be the reason why you are getting no response. With great respect, Bozena Zdaniuk UBC, Vancouver, BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ismail Noor" <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 2:17:26 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: P-value help---urgent need for help Dear all on the list, This message is being posted for the second time,I have the following table and I need to calculate the p-value for it. I appreciate any help............... Table 2. Participants’ awareness of child maltreatment
Ismail K. Noor, Ph.D., (966) 1-2520088 Ext. 40109 (Office-Riyadh) (966) 50-717-2356 (cell-Riyadh) |
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Max,
Not to be rude, but.... He has already been given advice from both Bruce and myself. OP needs to make some effort and apply the advice to his own situation. If you are so inclined then why don't YOU do his job for him? David
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It's not always easy to tell with the written word, but I thought Max was being ironic.
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I saw your 1st posting and came to the conclusion that a not so funny game was being played.
Now you repeat the game. I ask you to end the game and give us the solution. There are too many riddles: you work for a commercial survey service, so your question for the most simple cross-tabulation strikes me as unbelievable. You ask for a p, but a p for what? A p of a chi-sq, a p of an uncertainty coefficient, or what? Some of your customers might ask you such questions, and you are paid to answer them. But please stop molesting this list, where people try to help in real problem situations. Helmut Vorkauf On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Ismail Noor <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Hi everybody:
I think that some people is being a bit oversuspicious. I I went to the web page (http://www.dennonoor.com) and clicked on a link that explained that Mr. Ismail Noor had left the company and was working overseas with an NGO on a project to prevent child abuse (that explained the data he sent to this list). I wrote him off line and gave him a solution (downloading the freeware application WinPepi, that works with tabulated data). As a Spanish philosopher said: "we are the owners of our silences and the slaves of our words". Think twice before playing arsonist on the list, please. It is a contagious mood. Anyway, maybe Mr Noor could have explained his situation better, something like: "I work for an NGO to prevent child abuse and I have been asked to analyze this table, I don't have the original data anymore...". Mr Noor's problem has been solved to his satisfaction, as I can infer from his thanking message to me. Best regards on this cloudy spring morning (at least on Spain). Marta GG El 24/03/2011 9:12, Helmut Vorkauf escribió: I saw your 1st posting and came to the conclusion that a not so funny game was being played. |
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Hi Marta. You are quite right about arson being contagious, and I really like those words from the Spanish philosopher. However, I still find it very strange that the example from Dave Nichols (link below), which I gave in my response to the first request, did not suffice--and also strange that it was not acknowledged in any way.
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.soft-sys.stat.spss/browse_frm/thread/e8abd285cc0e4cd1/3fa8e889cde9c118?lnk=gst&q=chi-square+weight+#3fa8e889cde9c118 Cheers, Bruce
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Thank you Bruce. I would acknowledge your help and effort, but believe me I did not see it. Other wise I would not post my message again. I take your message as an apology and your apology is accepted. I have no hard feeling toward you or toward any of those who showed their racist attitudes.
Thank you again and have a nice weekend......................
Ismail K. Noor, Ph.D., (966) 1-2520088 Ext. 40109 (Office-Riyadh) (966) 50-717-2356 (cell-Riyadh) From: Bruce Weaver <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:21:01 PM Subject: Re: P-value help---urgent need for help Hi Marta. You are quite right about arson being contagious, and I really like those words from the Spanish philosopher. However, I still find it very strange that the example from Dave Nichols (link below), which I gave in my response to the first request, did not suffice--and also strange that it was not acknowledged in any way. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.soft-sys.stat.spss/browse_frm/thread/e8abd285cc0e4cd1/3fa8e889cde9c118?lnk=gst&q=chi-square+weight+#3fa8e889cde9c118 Cheers, Bruce Marta García-Granero-2 wrote: > > Hi everybody: > > I think that some people is being a bit oversuspicious. I I went to the > web page (http://www.dennonoor.com) and clicked on a link that explained > that Mr. Ismail Noor had left the company and was working overseas with > an NGO on a project to prevent child abuse (that explained the data he > sent to this list). I wrote him off line and gave him a solution > (downloading the freeware application WinPepi, that works with tabulated > data). > > As a Spanish philosopher said: "we are the owners of our silences and > the slaves of our words". Think twice before playing arsonist on the > list, please. It is a contagious mood. > > Anyway, maybe Mr Noor could have explained his situation better, > something like: "I work for an NGO to prevent child abuse and I have > been asked to analyze this table, I don't have the original data > anymore...". > > Mr Noor's problem has been solved to his satisfaction, as I can infer > from his thanking message to me. > > Best regards on this cloudy spring morning (at least on Spain). > > Marta GG > > > El 24/03/2011 9:12, Helmut Vorkauf escribió: > > I saw your 1st posting and came to the conclusion that a not so funny > > game was being played. > > Now you repeat the game. I ask you to end the game and give us the > > solution. > > There are too many riddles: > > you work for a commercial survey service, so your question for the > > most simple cross-tabulation strikes me as unbelievable. > > You ask for a p, but a p for what? A p of a chi-sq, a p of an > > uncertainty coefficient, or what? > > Some of your customers might ask you such questions, and you are paid > > to answer them. > > But please stop molesting this list, where people try to help in real > > problem situations. > > Helmut Vorkauf > > > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Ismail Noor <[hidden email] > > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > > > > Dear all on the list, > > This message is being posted for the second time, > > > > I have the following table and I need to calculate the p-value > for > > it. I appreciate any help............... > > > > *Table 2. *Participants’ awareness of child maltreatment > > > > *Level of Awareness* > > > > ** > > > > > > > > *Male professionals* > > > > **n(%) > > > > > > > > *Female professionals* > > > > n(%)** > > > > > > > > *Total* > > > > n(%)** > > > > ** > > > > *Low* > > > > > > > > 696 > > > > > > > > (37.1) > > > > > > > > 549 > > > > > > > > (28.9) > > > > > > > > 1245 > > > > > > > > (33.0) > > > > ** > > > > *Intermediate* > > > > ** > > > > > > > > 607 > > > > > > > > (32.3) > > > > > > > > 573 > > > > > > > > (30.2) > > > > > > > > 1,180 > > > > > > > > (31.2) > > > > ** > > > > *High* > > > > ** > > > > > > > > 516 > > > > > > > > (27.5) > > > > > > > > 697 > > > > > > > > (36.7) > > > > > > > > 1,213 > > > > > > > > (32.1) > > > > ** > > > > *Missing* > > > > ** > > > > > > > > 59 > > > > > > > > (3.1) > > > > > > > > 80 > > > > > > > > (4.2) > > > > > > > > 139 > > > > > > > > (3.7) > > > > ** > > > > *Total* > > > > > > > > 1,878 > > > > > > > > > > > > 1,899 > > > > > > > > > > > > 3,777 > > > > > > > > (100) > > > > Ismail K. Noor, Ph.D., > > [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > > http://www.dennonoor.com > > Skype: ismail.noor2 > > > > (966) 1-2520088 Ext. 40109 (Office-Riyadh) > > > > (966) 50-717-2356 (cell-Riyadh) > > (966) 1-237-9373 (home-Riyadh) > > (313) 240-5259 <tel:%28313%29%20240-5259> > (home-Dearborn-USA) > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- -- Bruce Weaver [hidden email] http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/ "When all else fails, RTFM." NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly. To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above. -- View this message in context: http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/P-value-help-urgent-need-for-help-tp4259619p4262106.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD |
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For the record, Ismail, I do not see anything in my posts in these two threads that requires an apology. In my initial response, I offered the solution posted by Dave Nichols. In my response to Marta's message, I said I found it strange that the Dave Nichols solution was not sufficient, and not acknowledged in any way. No slight (racist or otherwise) is evident in either message, as far as I can see. But you are free to disagree, of course. ;-)
To avoid any further risk of becoming a slave to my words, I will now bow out of this discussion. Cheers, Bruce
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WTF???
After all this we still don't know what the original question/issue was aside from OP not paying attention to his own original thread. He takes your note as an apology? WTF you have/had no reason to apologize. He should perhaps apologize for his own epic lack of NG etiquette (but I'm not going to hold my breath!).
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Dear Bruce,
For the past day or so I have been receiving lots of e-mail messages from list members, supportive in most, but some had shocking racist comments. Yet, many of the supportive messages were private and I was asked not to post them to the list, and I will not do that. I do want to put this discussion to rest and stop the exchange of messages. There is no need or use of finger pointing. Whoever wants an apology I do not mind offering one to her/him. I certainly offer you my sincere apology for all of the misunderstanding. I do wish you and all the list members, including the racist ones, a very nice and safe weekend. with this message, I wish and hope to bring this unwonted discussion to its end. Thank you all..................... Ismail K. Noor, Ph.D., (966) 1-2520088 Ext. 40109 (Office-Riyadh) (966) 50-717-2356 (cell-Riyadh) From: Bruce Weaver <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 11:00:22 AM Subject: Re: P-value help---urgent need for help For the record, Ismail, I do not see anything in my posts in these two threads that requires an apology. In my initial response, I offered the solution posted by Dave Nichols. In my response to Marta's message, I said I found it strange that the Dave Nichols solution was not sufficient, and not acknowledged in any way. No slight (racist or otherwise) is evident in either message, as far as I can see. But you are free to disagree, of course. ;-) To avoid any further risk of becoming a slave to my words, I will now bow out of this discussion. Cheers, Bruce Ismail Noor wrote: > > Thank you Bruce. I would acknowledge your help and effort, but believe me > I did > not see it. Other wise I would not post my message again. I take your > message as > an apology and your apology is accepted. I have no hard feeling toward you > or > toward any of those who showed their racist attitudes. > > Thank you again and have a nice weekend...................... >  > Ismail K. Noor, Ph.D., > [hidden email] > Skype: ismail.noor2 > (966) 1-2520088 Ext. 40109 (Office-Riyadh) > (966) 50-717-2356 (cell-Riyadh) > (966) 1-237-9373 (home-Riyadh) > (313) 240-5259 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (313) 240-5259 end_of_the_skype_highlighting (home-Dearborn-USA) > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bruce Weaver <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:21:01 PM > Subject: Re: P-value help---urgent need for help > > Hi Marta. You are quite right about arson being contagious, and I really > like those words from the Spanish philosopher. However, I still find it > very strange that the example from Dave Nichols (link below), which I gave > in my response to the first request, did not suffice--and also strange > that > it was not acknowledged in any way. > > > > Cheers, > Bruce > > > > Marta GarcÃa-Granero-2 wrote: > > > > Hi everybody: > > > > I think that some people is being a bit oversuspicious. I I went to > the > explained > > that Mr. Ismail Noor had left the company and was working overseas > with > > an NGO on a project to prevent child abuse (that explained the data > he > > sent to this list). I wrote him off line and gave him a solution > > (downloading the freeware application WinPepi, that works with > tabulated > > data). > > > > As a Spanish philosopher said: &quot;we are the owners of our > silences and > > the slaves of our words&quot;. Think twice before playing > arsonist on the > > list, please. It is a contagious mood. > > > > Anyway, maybe Mr Noor could have explained his situation better, > > something like: &quot;I work for an NGO to prevent child abuse > and I have > > been asked to analyze this table, I don't have the original data > > anymore...&quot;. > > > > Mr Noor's problem has been solved to his satisfaction, as I can infer > > from his thanking message to me. > > > > Best regards on this cloudy spring morning (at least on Spain). > > > > Marta GG > > > > > > El 24/03/2011 9:12, Helmut Vorkauf escribió: > > &gt; I saw your 1st posting and came to the conclusion that a not > so funny > > &gt; game was being played. > > &gt; Now you repeat the game. I ask you to end the game and give > us the > > &gt; solution. > > &gt; There are too many riddles: > > &gt; you work for a commercial survey service, so your question > for the > > &gt; most simple cross-tabulation strikes me as unbelievable. > > &gt; You ask for a p, but a p for what? A p of a chi-sq, a p of > an > > &gt; uncertainty coefficient, or what? > > &gt; Some of your customers might ask you such questions, and you > are paid > > &gt; to answer them. > > &gt; But please stop molesting this list, where people try to > help in real > > &gt; problem situations. > > &gt; Helmut Vorkauf > > &gt; > > &gt; On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Ismail Noor > &lt;[hidden email] > > &gt; &lt;mailto:[hidden email]&gt;&gt; wrote: > > &gt; > > &gt;  Dear all on the list, > > &gt;  This message is being posted for the second time, > > &gt; > > &gt;  I have the following table and I need to calculate the > p-value > > for > > &gt;  it. I appreciate any help............... > > &gt; > > &gt;  *Table 2. *Participants’ awareness of child maltreatment > > &gt; > > &gt;  *Level of Awareness* > > &gt; > > &gt;  ** > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  *Male professionals* > > &gt; > > &gt;  **n(%) > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  *Female professionals* > > &gt; > > &gt;  n(%)** > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  *Total* > > &gt; > > &gt;  n(%)** > > &gt; > > &gt;  ** > > &gt; > > &gt;  *Low* > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  696 > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  (37.1) > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  549 > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  (28.9) > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  1245 > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  (33.0) > > &gt; > > &gt;  ** > > &gt; > > &gt;  *Intermediate* > > &gt; > > &gt;  ** > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  607 > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  (32.3) > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  573 > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  (30.2) > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  1,180 > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  (31.2) > > &gt; > > &gt;  ** > > &gt; > > &gt;  *High* > > &gt; > > &gt;  ** > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  516 > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  (27.5) > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  697 > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  (36.7) > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  1,213 > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  (32.1) > > &gt; > > &gt;  ** > > &gt; > > &gt;  *Missing* > > &gt; > > &gt;  ** > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  59 > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  (3.1) > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  80 > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  (4.2) > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  139 > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  (3.7) > > &gt; > > &gt;  ** > > &gt; > > &gt;  *Total* > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  1,878 > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  1,899 > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  3,777 > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;  (100) > > &gt; > > &gt;  Ismail K. Noor, Ph.D., > > &gt;  [hidden email] > &lt;mailto:[hidden email]&gt; > > &gt;  http://www.dennonoor.com > > &gt;  Skype: ismail.noor2 > > &gt; > > &gt;  (966) 1-2520088 Ext. 40109 (Office-Riyadh) > > &gt; > > &gt;  (966) 50-717-2356 (cell-Riyadh) > > &gt;  (966) 1-237-9373 (home-Riyadh) > > &gt;  (313) 240-5259 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (313) 240-5259 end_of_the_skype_highlighting &lt;tel:%28313%29%20240-5259&gt; > > (home-Dearborn-USA) > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > > > > ----- > -- > Bruce Weaver > [hidden email] > > "When all else fails, RTFM." > > NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly. > To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above. > > -- > View this message in context: > http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/P-value-help-urgent-need-for-help-tp4259619p4262106.html > > Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ===================== > To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to > [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the > command. To leave the list, send the command > SIGNOFF SPSSX-L > For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command > INFO REFCARD > ----- -- Bruce Weaver [hidden email] http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/ "When all else fails, RTFM." NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly. To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above. -- View this message in context: http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/P-value-help-urgent-need-for-help-tp4259619p4262475.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD |
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