Please set the default LISTSERV option to allow HTML in SPSSX-L posts

[Art Kendall]

I frequently post syntax to this list.  I usually cc the OP. The copy
that goes to the OP preserves the formatting.

Over the years I have found that working with a fixed font allows me to
vertically align syntax in a way that clarifies the logic.

to see what I mean paste the snippet of syntax below and view it with a
fixed font.
extra spaces make "do if "align with "else if" and then the operators
and values align vertically.

do if   externalizing ge 60 and internalizing lt 60.
compute group = 1.
else if externalizing lt 60 and internalizing gt 60.
compute group = 2.
else if externalizing ge 60 and internalizing ge 60.
compute group = 3.
else if externalizing lt 60 and internalizing lt 60.
compute group = 4.
ELSE .
compute group = 5.
end if.

In days of yore newsgroups discouraged HTML because some users' mail programs could not handle HTML.
One advantage of lists over newsgroups is that they can use mixes of fixed and variable width fonts.
They also allow font size, bolding, italics, etc.

LISTSERV allows individual users to turn off HTML. So users who have a problem with it would have that option.

Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants

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[UGA Listserv Admin]

Actually, our Listserv is an old version, and users can't turn off html
individually.  I turned off the option on the list: let's see how that works for
the membership.

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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Art Kendall wrote:

> I frequently post syntax to this list.  I usually cc the OP. The copy
> that goes to the OP preserves the formatting.
>
> Over the years I have found that working with a fixed font allows me to
> vertically align syntax in a way that clarifies the logic.
>
> to see what I mean paste the snippet of syntax below and view it with a
> fixed font.
> extra spaces make "do if "align with "else if" and then the operators
> and values align vertically.
>
> do if   externalizing ge 60 and internalizing lt 60.
> compute group = 1.
> else if externalizing lt 60 and internalizing gt 60.
> compute group = 2.
> else if externalizing ge 60 and internalizing ge 60.
> compute group = 3.
> else if externalizing lt 60 and internalizing lt 60.
> compute group = 4.
> ELSE .
> compute group = 5.
> end if.
>
> In days of yore newsgroups discouraged HTML because some users' mail programs
> could not handle HTML.
> One advantage of lists over newsgroups is that they can use mixes of fixed
> and variable width fonts.
> They also allow font size, bolding, italics, etc.
>
> LISTSERV allows individual users to turn off HTML. So users who have a
> problem with it would have that option.
>
> Art Kendall
> Social Research Consultants
>
>
>
>

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[Hector Maletta]

I do not think HTML should be turned off for everyone, especially because
most email services nowadays can handle it, and many illustrative syntax and
columnar data is best viewed under HTML. But on the other hand there might
be some listmembers that are hurt because they cannot receive HTML mail.
Could they see the messages some alternative way, e.g. in the Archives,
which can be viewed with a Web browser?
I'd rather prefer the real solution, i.e. that the list shifts soon to a
more recent version of the LISTSERV software, admitting individual choice as
Art Kendall suggests.
Hector

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of UGA
Listserv Admin
Sent: 29 January 2009 15:03
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Please set the default LISTSERV option to allow HTML in SPSSX-L
posts

Actually, our Listserv is an old version, and users can't turn off html
individually.  I turned off the option on the list: let's see how that works
for
the membership.

--
***Jean Snow                                       [hidden email] ***
*** EITS Core Services Support/Postmaster/Listserv Admin            ***

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Art Kendall wrote:

> I frequently post syntax to this list.  I usually cc the OP. The copy
> that goes to the OP preserves the formatting.
>
> Over the years I have found that working with a fixed font allows me to
> vertically align syntax in a way that clarifies the logic.
>
> to see what I mean paste the snippet of syntax below and view it with a
> fixed font.
> extra spaces make "do if "align with "else if" and then the operators
> and values align vertically.
>
> do if   externalizing ge 60 and internalizing lt 60.
> compute group = 1.
> else if externalizing lt 60 and internalizing gt 60.
> compute group = 2.
> else if externalizing ge 60 and internalizing ge 60.
> compute group = 3.
> else if externalizing lt 60 and internalizing lt 60.
> compute group = 4.
> ELSE .
> compute group = 5.
> end if.
>
> In days of yore newsgroups discouraged HTML because some users' mail

programs

> could not handle HTML.
> One advantage of lists over newsgroups is that they can use mixes of fixed
> and variable width fonts.
> They also allow font size, bolding, italics, etc.
>
> LISTSERV allows individual users to turn off HTML. So users who have a
> problem with it would have that option.
>
> Art Kendall
> Social Research Consultants
>
>
>
>

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[Francien Berndsen]

> Actually, our Listserv is an old version, and users can't turn off html
> individually.  I turned off the option on the list: let's see how that
> works for
> the membership.

Why is Listserv still not upgraded to a new version? I think it's very
annoying that Listserv shows the full email adresses on the online archive.
I'm lucky to have a good working spamfilter, but I prefer suppressed email
addresses on the online archive.

Francien

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[Richard Ristow]

At 02:02 PM 1/29/2009, the UGA Listserv Admin wrote (subject "Re: Please set the default LISTSERV option to allow HTML in SPSSX-L posts"):

Actually, our Listserv is an old version, and users can't turn off html
individually.  I turned off the option [to suppress HTML] on the list: let's see how that works for the membership.

So, HTML has been allowed in SPSSX-L postings for about three months. How do list members feel now?

My impression is that most members who receive postings as individual E-messages like having HTML available. However, digests, and postings stored on the Web, seem to have problems.

At 06:14 PM 3/12/2009, Leslie Horst <[hidden email]> posted:

I receive the digest form of the listserv.  Today I slogged through 6750 lines, most of which was HTML or MIME or some other human-unfriendly format.  Trying to find the good stuff in all of that is tough.

Off-list, she sent me the April 10-11 digest. It begins with two plain-text messages that appear to be formatted about right; but goes on with, among other things, what appear to be four copies, variously formatted, of posting

Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:12:03 -0700
Reply-To: Jims More <[hidden email]>
Sender: "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <[hidden email]>
From: Jims More <[hidden email]>
Subject:      PASW
To: [hidden email]
X-ELNK-Received-Info: spv=0;
X-ELNK-AV: 0
X-ELNK-Info: sbv=0; sbrc=.0; sbf=0b; sbw=000;
X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.238 [270.11.54/2055]
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-49E2357A0000======="

What is "W" in the PASW?


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(I don't know if that has something to do with Yahoo. The posting did come through without the Sig that the Listserv software is now adding to SPSSX-L postings.)


And "Downs, Clive" <[hidden email]> alerted me, off-list, that posts aren't all formatted correctly on http://www.listserv.uga.edu/archives/spssx-l.html  Two examples are,

Date:         Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:34:30 -0400
From:         Richard Ristow <[hidden email]>
Subject:      Re: Merging files

where the HTML tags are displayed literally, rather than used for formatting, and

Date:         Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:56:31 -0500
From:         "Peck, Jon" <[hidden email]>
Subject:      Re: Controlling SPSS 17 from Excel (Microsoft Office)

which displays as gibberish (but with a link "[text/html]" at the bottom which, if clicked, displays the message in a new browser window, properly formatted).

-Onward,
 Richard
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