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Simon,
I'm running v21 and am able to execute the following on the "Employee data.sav" file that ships with the product. UNIANOVA salbegin salary BY jobcat /METHOD=SSTYPE(3) /INTERCEPT=INCLUDE /POSTHOC=jobcat(FREGW) /CRITERIA=ALPHA(0.05) /DESIGN=jobcat. Does this also not work for you? Alex > Simon Palmer-4 wrote >> I've just upgraded from v19 to v21 and am intrigued that syntax >> UNIANOVA no longer seems to accept multiple dependent variables. In >> v19 the code below happily executes 3 ANOVA, one with each of >> participation_rate_child, hours_enrolled_child and >> weeks_enrolled_child as dependent variable. In version 21 it informs >> me that "Multiple dependent variables are not allowed for univariate >> analysis. Execution of this command stops.". I can find no >> documentation of this change although I do note that the v19 >> functionality is not listed in the v19 command syntax reference. >> Presumably the parser has been re-written between the two releases to >> work as advertised rather than as useful! Fortunately oneway still >> takes a list >> :-) >> >> UNIANOVA participation_rate_child hours_enrolled_child >> weeks_enrolled_child BY program_type_child >> /METHOD=SSTYPE(3) >> /INTERCEPT=INCLUDE >> /POSTHOC=program_type_child(FREGW) >> /PRINT=DESCRIPTIVE >> /CRITERIA=ALPHA(.05) >> /DESIGN=program_type_child. >> >> Cheers, >> Simon |
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Alex I am running Statistics 21.0.0.1 and I get the warning about multiple dependent variables.
Tony Babinec From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Alex Reutter Simon, |
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Thanks for checking, Tony.
I believe if the OP has the Advanced Statistics option, then replacing UNIANOVA with GLM should work; i.e., GLM salbegin salary BY jobcat /METHOD=SSTYPE(3) /INTERCEPT=INCLUDE /POSTHOC=jobcat(FREGW) /CRITERIA=ALPHA(0.05) /DESIGN=jobcat. Alex From: Anthony Babinec <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email], Date: 03/22/2013 02:20 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Reduced functionality for UNIANOVA Sent by: "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <[hidden email]> Alex I am running Statistics 21.0.0.1 and I get the warning about multiple dependent variables.
Tony Babinec tbabinec@... From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Alex Reutter Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 1:56 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: Fw: Reduced functionality for UNIANOVA Simon, I'm running v21 and am able to execute the following on the "Employee data.sav" file that ships with the product. UNIANOVA salbegin salary BY jobcat /METHOD=SSTYPE(3) /INTERCEPT=INCLUDE /POSTHOC=jobcat(FREGW) /CRITERIA=ALPHA(0.05) /DESIGN=jobcat. Does this also not work for you? Alex |
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Alex,
I get the same message as Tony and Simon. ver 21.0.1 (whatever the most recent fixpack of 21).
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That runs for me using v20.0.0.1 for Windoze.
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Who did you pay off Bruce and Alex?
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Sarcasm aside on my part, v20 Unianova will execute without errors with multiple dependent variables listed. I tested this yesterday. I don't have 21; I can't comment on what it will do or not do. David, you have 21 because you said you just bought it. What happens when you list multiple DVs?
Gene Maguin -----Original Message----- From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Marso Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 7:11 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: Fw: Reduced functionality for UNIANOVA Who did you pay off Bruce and Alex? ------------------------------------------- <http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/file/n5719005/WhatHaveTheyDoneToMyUNIANOVA.jpg> Bruce Weaver wrote > That runs for me using v20.0.0.1 for Windoze. > Alex Reutter wrote >> Simon, >> >> I'm running v21 and am able to execute the following on the "Employee >> data.sav" file that ships with the product. >> >> UNIANOVA salbegin salary BY jobcat >> /METHOD=SSTYPE(3) >> /INTERCEPT=INCLUDE >> /POSTHOC=jobcat(FREGW) >> /CRITERIA=ALPHA(0.05) >> /DESIGN=jobcat. >> >> Does this also not work for you? >> >> Alex >> >> >>> Simon Palmer-4 wrote >>>> I've just upgraded from v19 to v21 and am intrigued that syntax >>>> UNIANOVA no longer seems to accept multiple dependent variables. In >>>> v19 the code below happily executes 3 ANOVA, one with each of >>>> participation_rate_child, hours_enrolled_child and >>>> weeks_enrolled_child as dependent variable. In version 21 it >>>> informs me that "Multiple dependent variables are not allowed for >>>> univariate analysis. Execution of this command stops.". I can find >>>> no documentation of this change although I do note that the v19 >>>> functionality is not listed in the v19 command syntax reference. >>>> Presumably the parser has been re-written between the two releases >>>> to work as advertised rather than as useful! Fortunately oneway >>>> still takes a list >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> UNIANOVA participation_rate_child hours_enrolled_child >>>> weeks_enrolled_child BY program_type_child >>>> /METHOD=SSTYPE(3) >>>> /INTERCEPT=INCLUDE >>>> /POSTHOC=program_type_child(FREGW) >>>> /PRINT=DESCRIPTIVE >>>> /CRITERIA=ALPHA(.05) >>>> /DESIGN=program_type_child. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Simon ----- Please reply to the list and not to my personal email. Those desiring my consulting or training services please feel free to email me. --- "Nolite dare sanctum canibus neque mittatis margaritas vestras ante porcos ne forte conculcent eas pedibus suis." Cum es damnatorum possederunt porcos iens ut salire off sanguinum cliff in abyssum?" -- View this message in context: http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/Re-Fw-Reduced-functionality-for-UNIANOVA-tp5718989p5719005.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD |
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I posted the entire screen capture (attached as jpg in previous post) with version info.
I get the same message as Simon (OP) and Tony Babinec. I misread Bruce's 20.0.1 as 21.0.1 So wonder what's different with Alex's install. @Alex. Are you sure you are running ver 21? I DON'T LIKE IT ONE BIT WHEN THING GET CHANGED LIKE THIS. IT BREAKS CODE! I have all kinds of applications I have built for clients over the years and these are 'in the wild'. UPGRADE... BREAK...AM I SUPPOSED TO FIX IT? Yeah probably! For free, probably not. But I probably would because I'm such a nice f##king guy!!!! ------------------------------------------------------
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Yes, I realized after I sent the message that you had posted your test of 21.
You've said you worked for spss in techsupport and perhaps other capacities as well so you know something about the insides of a software company. One way to look at the Unicode question is to say that there was a 'slippage' between the procedure specification/definition document and the documentation, i.e., the CSR. That's now corrected. The discrepancy could have been corrected another way but it wasn't. Internal managerial decision. I'd assume that spss is a large enough operation that different groups of people would do those two different jobs. I offer this because it has seemed to me that spss has undocumented capabilities, particularly in the functions, capabilities that emerged in postings from Raynald and you and others, too, or, perhaps, I just couldn't understand the possibilities. Gene Maguin -----Original Message----- From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Marso Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:54 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: Fw: Reduced functionality for UNIANOVA I posted the entire screen capture (attached as jpg in previous post) with version info. I get the same message as Simon (OP) and Tony Babinec. I misread Bruce's 20.0.1 as 21.0.1 So wonder what's different with Alex's install. @Alex. Are you sure you are running ver 21? I DON'T LIKE IT ONE BIT WHEN THING GET CHANGED LIKE THIS. IT BREAKS CODE! I have all kinds of applications I have built for clients over the years and these are 'in the wild'. UPGRADE... BREAK...AM I SUPPOSED TO FIX IT? Yeah probably! For free, probably not. But I probably would because I'm such a nice f##king guy!!!! ------------------------------------------------------ Maguin, Eugene wrote > Sarcasm aside on my part, v20 Unianova will execute without errors > with multiple dependent variables listed. I tested this yesterday. I > don't have 21; I can't comment on what it will do or not do. David, > you have 21 because you said you just bought it. What happens when you > list multiple DVs? > > Gene Maguin > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto: > SPSSX-L@.UGA > ] On Behalf Of David Marso > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 7:11 PM > To: > SPSSX-L@.UGA > Subject: Re: Fw: Reduced functionality for UNIANOVA > > Who did you pay off Bruce and Alex? > ------------------------------------------- > <http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/file/n5719005/WhatHa > veTheyDoneToMyUNIANOVA.jpg> > > Bruce Weaver wrote >> That runs for me using v20.0.0.1 for Windoze. >> Alex Reutter wrote >>> Simon, >>> >>> I'm running v21 and am able to execute the following on the >>> "Employee data.sav" file that ships with the product. >>> >>> UNIANOVA salbegin salary BY jobcat >>> /METHOD=SSTYPE(3) >>> /INTERCEPT=INCLUDE >>> /POSTHOC=jobcat(FREGW) >>> /CRITERIA=ALPHA(0.05) >>> /DESIGN=jobcat. >>> >>> Does this also not work for you? >>> >>> Alex >>> >>> >>>> Simon Palmer-4 wrote >>>>> I've just upgraded from v19 to v21 and am intrigued that syntax >>>>> UNIANOVA no longer seems to accept multiple dependent variables. >>>>> In >>>>> v19 the code below happily executes 3 ANOVA, one with each of >>>>> participation_rate_child, hours_enrolled_child and >>>>> weeks_enrolled_child as dependent variable. In version 21 it >>>>> informs me that "Multiple dependent variables are not allowed for >>>>> univariate analysis. Execution of this command stops.". I can find >>>>> no documentation of this change although I do note that the v19 >>>>> functionality is not listed in the v19 command syntax reference. >>>>> Presumably the parser has been re-written between the two releases >>>>> to work as advertised rather than as useful! Fortunately oneway >>>>> still takes a list >>>>> :-) >>>>> >>>>> UNIANOVA participation_rate_child hours_enrolled_child >>>>> weeks_enrolled_child BY program_type_child >>>>> /METHOD=SSTYPE(3) >>>>> /INTERCEPT=INCLUDE >>>>> /POSTHOC=program_type_child(FREGW) >>>>> /PRINT=DESCRIPTIVE >>>>> /CRITERIA=ALPHA(.05) >>>>> /DESIGN=program_type_child. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Simon > > > > > > ----- > Please reply to the list and not to my personal email. > Those desiring my consulting or training services please feel free to > email me. > --- > "Nolite dare sanctum canibus neque mittatis margaritas vestras ante > porcos ne forte conculcent eas pedibus suis." > Cum es damnatorum possederunt porcos iens ut salire off sanguinum > cliff in abyssum?" > -- > View this message in context: > http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/Re-Fw-Reduced-functional > ity-for-UNIANOVA-tp5718989p5719005.html > Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ===================== > To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to > LISTSERV@.UGA > (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. 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Cum es damnatorum possederunt porcos iens ut salire off sanguinum cliff in abyssum?" -- View this message in context: http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/Re-Fw-Reduced-functionality-for-UNIANOVA-tp5718989p5719018.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD |
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When I was there during I also worked in the consulting group (1990-96 TS 96-2001 CG).
As part of my duties I sat in on design meetings: They were interdepartmental (design, documentation, development, QA, teksport, marketing, sales). That put everyone on the same page. I recall more than my share of heated debate on certain issues. There are many undocumented features and/or underexposed implementation aspects, which if you are clever can be exploited in various ways. Some of my favorites evolved from studying the SPSS registry entries. Now that stuff to my knowledge is completely undocumented. Unfortunately since it is undocumented it is subject to change on a whim --> broken code. OTOH: I have been careful to use these only when necessary and if it breaks I fix it (within reason).
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I do not get the error
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The syntax runs. I have the 64-bit version on Windows 8. Version Component Version Date Client 21.00.00.00 SPSSWCTL.DLL 21.00.00.00 11-JUL-2012 SPSSWCOM.DLL 21.00.00.00 11-JUL-2012 SPSSWLIB.DLL 21.00.00.00 11-JUL-2012 SPSSWDAT.DLL 21.00.00.00 11-JUL-2012 SPSSWUAV.DLL 21.00.00.00 12-JUL-2012 SPSSWDST.DLL 21.00.00.00 11-JUL-2012 SPSSWFIL.DLL 21.00.00.00 11-JUL-2012 [I know SHAME SHAME, I have not yest installed the latest patch.] Art Kendall Social Research ConsultantsOn 3/23/2013 10:54 AM, David Marso [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote: UNIANOVA salbegin salary BY jobcat
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I'm running Vista 32 (yeah, shame shame).
I would surmise that somehow the fracture has slipped into 21.0.1 That is odd, AFAIK, patches are normally just for minor fixes. If I were you Art, I would look at the list of things which got fixed and If they aren't critical to your work abstain from the overwhelming temptation to get the latest and greatest! --
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I haven' yet looked at
what was fixed. That is part of why I did not
try to do the patch.
Art Kendall Social Research ConsultantsOn 3/28/2013 11:01 AM, David Marso [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote: I'm running Vista 32 (yeah, shame shame).
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http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg27038029
Looking this over: Breaking UNIANOVA is NOT listed among the fixes ;-( SNARK.
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