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Barry

Re: summary distribution with multiple observations per respondent (2)

First, a request to all - *please do not send HTML mail to the list* - it comes out insanely long and hard to read,

and will be mixed in with plain text mail.

Amy,

Try treating it as a 'growth curve' situation, and shoot a quadratic curve through each respondent's data.

Then you can summarize each subject's data as three parameters (intercept, linear and quadratic); four, if you'd like to include the r-squared as a summary of fit.

Barry

Amy Corning wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:[hidden email]"
type="cite">
<pre wrap="">I have SPSS data containing variables that identify each respondent's age
at the time of 8 different events. I would like to find a way in SPSS to
obtain a single summary distribution of ages over the 8 variables, but
measures of central tendency are not appropriate. For the moment I am
generating frequency distributions for each of the 8 variables, then
averaging them by hand, but I'm wondering whether anyone can suggest a more
efficient approach? (Essentially, I think I may need a way of treating each
respondent's 8 responses as 8 separate cases.)

Thank you! -Amy

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Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:40:39 -0700
From: drfg2008 <[hidden email]>
Subject: SPSSINC GETURI DATA

Is it possible to read in CSV-files with "SPSSINC GETURI DATA"?

SAV-file works fine:

SPSSINC GETURI DATA
URI="http://spss-seminar.de/tu-berlin.sav"
FILETYPE=SAV DATASET=frank
/OPTIONS
SHEETNUMBER=1 READNAMES=YES ASSUMEDSTRWIDTH=32767.

... and this would be the csv file ...

GET DATA
/TYPE=TXT
/FILE='C:\user\...\filename.csv'
/DELCASE=LINE
/DELIMITERS=";"
/ARRANGEMENT=DELIMITED
/FIRSTCASE=2
/IMPORTCASE=ALL
/VARIABLES=
id F10.0
name_de A45
begin A16
League A30
StandardMarketVolume F15.0
standard_Back_1 F15.2
standard_Lay_1 F15.2
standard_Back_2 F15.2
standard_Lay_2 F15.2
PB2SMarketVolume F15.0
pointbet2sets02back F15.2
pointbet2sets02lay F15.2
pointbet2sets12back F15.2
pointbet2sets12lay F15.2
pointbet2sets20back F15.2
pointbet2sets20lay F15.2
pointbet2sets21back F15.2
pointbet2sets21lay F15.2.
CACHE.
EXECUTE.

... but however combining both, I only get error messages ...

-----
Dr. Frank Gaeth
FU-Berlin

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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 02:58:02 -0700
From: David Marso <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: SPSSINC GETURI DATA

As usual Frank,
You fail to provide the essential information necessary for others to assist
you!
How are you "combining" these?
What are the error messages?
From what I glean reading *THIS* thread which you initiated in Feb,
http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/get-data-td3403038.html
unless something has changed then SPSSINC GETURI DATA reads
SPSS,XLS,SAS,STATA...

From Jon Peck's post in that thread!
"Here is the beginning of the help (SPSSINC GETURI DATA /HELP).
spssinc geturi data/help.
SPSSINC GETURI DATA URI="uri including filename"
FILETYPE={SPSS* | XLS | SAS | STATA} ....."
HTH, David
* Please be more complete with diagnostic information/error messages... in
future posts!
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drfg2008 wrote:

>
> Is it possible to read in CSV-files with "SPSSINC GETURI DATA"?
>
> SAV-file works fine:
>
> SPSSINC GETURI DATA
> URI="http://spss-seminar.de/tu-berlin.sav"
> FILETYPE=SAV DATASET=frank
> /OPTIONS
> SHEETNUMBER=1 READNAMES=YES ASSUMEDSTRWIDTH=32767.
>
>
> ... and this would be the csv file ...
>
> GET DATA
> /TYPE=TXT
> /FILE='C:\user\...\filename.csv'
> /DELCASE=LINE
> /DELIMITERS=";"
> /ARRANGEMENT=DELIMITED
> /FIRSTCASE=2
> /IMPORTCASE=ALL
> /VARIABLES=
> id F10.0
> name_de A45
> begin A16
> League A30
> StandardMarketVolume F15.0
> standard_Back_1 F15.2
> standard_Lay_1 F15.2
> standard_Back_2 F15.2
> standard_Lay_2 F15.2
> PB2SMarketVolume F15.0
> pointbet2sets02back F15.2
> pointbet2sets02lay F15.2
> pointbet2sets12back F15.2
> pointbet2sets12lay F15.2
> pointbet2sets20back F15.2
> pointbet2sets20lay F15.2
> pointbet2sets21back F15.2
> pointbet2sets21lay F15.2.
> CACHE.
> EXECUTE.
>
> ... but however combining both, I only get error messages ...
>

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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:37:16 -0400
From: Art Kendall <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: summary distribution with multiple observations per respondent

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see if the syntax below does the kind of thing you
want. 
Open a new instance of SPSS.  Copy the syntax from the email. 
Paste it to a syntax window. Run it. 
 
Art Kendall 
Social Research Consultants 
 
data list list /id (f4) age1 to age3 (3f2) gender (f1). 
begin data 
    001 17 18 19 1 
    002 18 19 17 1 
    003 19 17 18 1 
    004 17 18 19 2 
    005 18 19 17 2 
    006 19 17 18 2 
    007 17  0  0 1 
    008 0  17 19 1 
    009 17 18  0 1 
    010 19  0  0 2 
    011  0  0  0 2 
    012  0 17  0 2 
end data. 
dataset name 'original' 
    var labels 
    age1 'age event type 1' 
    age2 'age event type 2' 
    age3 'age event type 3'. 
value labels gender 
    1 'male' 
    2 'female'. 
mult response 
    /groups = ages 'ages for events' (age1 to age3 (1, 104)) 
    /variables = gender (1,2) 
    /frequencies = ages 
    /tables = ages by ages by ages /ages by gender 
    /cells = all. 
 
 
 
On 8/13/2011 4:28 PM, Amy Corning wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:[hidden email]"
type="cite">
<pre wrap="">I have SPSS data containing variables that identify each respondent's age
at the time of 8 different events. I would like to find a way in SPSS to
obtain a single summary distribution of ages over the 8 variables, but
measures of central tendency are not appropriate. For the moment I am
generating frequency distributions for each of the 8 variables, then
averaging them by hand, but I'm wondering whether anyone can suggest a more
efficient approach? (Essentially, I think I may need a way of treating each
respondent's 8 responses as 8 separate cases.)

Thank you! -Amy

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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:22:57 -0600
From: Jon K Peck <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: SPSSINC GETURI DATA

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No. GETURI DATA does not support CSV format. It supports sav, SAS,
Stata, and Excel IIRC.

Regards,

Jon Peck (no "h")
Senior Software Engineer, IBM
[hidden email]
new phone: 720-342-5621

From: drfg2008 <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Date: 08/14/2011 12:43 AM
Subject: [SPSSX-L] SPSSINC GETURI DATA
Sent by: "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <[hidden email]>

Is it possible to read in CSV-files with "SPSSINC GETURI DATA"?

SAV-file works fine:

SPSSINC GETURI DATA
URI="http://spss-seminar.de/tu-berlin.sav"
FILETYPE=SAV DATASET=frank
/OPTIONS
SHEETNUMBER=1 READNAMES=YES ASSUMEDSTRWIDTH=32767.

... and this would be the csv file ...

GET DATA
/TYPE=TXT
/FILE='C:\user\...\filename.csv'
/DELCASE=LINE
/DELIMITERS=";"
/ARRANGEMENT=DELIMITED
/FIRSTCASE=2
/IMPORTCASE=ALL
/VARIABLES=
id F10.0
name_de A45
begin A16
League A30
StandardMarketVolume F15.0
standard_Back_1 F15.2
standard_Lay_1 F15.2
standard_Back_2 F15.2
standard_Lay_2 F15.2
PB2SMarketVolume F15.0
pointbet2sets02back F15.2
pointbet2sets02lay F15.2
pointbet2sets12back F15.2
pointbet2sets12lay F15.2
pointbet2sets20back F15.2
pointbet2sets20lay F15.2
pointbet2sets21back F15.2
pointbet2sets21lay F15.2.
CACHE.
EXECUTE.

... but however combining both, I only get error messages ...

-----
Dr. Frank Gaeth
FU-Berlin

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No.  GETURI DATA does not support
CSV format.  It supports sav, SAS, Stata, and Excel IIRC.
 
 Regards,
 
Jon Peck (no "h") 
Senior Software Engineer, IBM 
[hidden email] 
new phone: 720-342-5621 

 
 
 
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 To:      
 [hidden email]
 Date:      
 08/14/2011 12:43 AM
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GETURI DATA
 Sent by:    
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Discussion" <[hidden email]>
 
<hr noshade>
 
 
 <tt>Is it possible to read in CSV-files with "SPSSINC
GETURI DATA"? 
 
SAV-file works fine: 
 
SPSSINC GETURI DATA 
URI="</tt><a href="http://spss-seminar.de/tu-berlin.sav"><tt>http://spss-seminar.de/tu-berlin.sav</tt></a><tt>" 
FILETYPE=SAV DATASET=frank 
/OPTIONS 
SHEETNUMBER=1 READNAMES=YES ASSUMEDSTRWIDTH=32767. 
 
 
... and this would be the csv file ... 
 
GET DATA 
 /TYPE=TXT 
 /FILE='C:\user\...\filename.csv' 
 /DELCASE=LINE 
 /DELIMITERS=";" 
 /ARRANGEMENT=DELIMITED 
 /FIRSTCASE=2 
 /IMPORTCASE=ALL 
 /VARIABLES= 
 id F10.0 
 name_de A45 
 begin A16 
 League A30 
 StandardMarketVolume F15.0 
 standard_Back_1 F15.2 
 standard_Lay_1 F15.2 
 standard_Back_2 F15.2 
 standard_Lay_2 F15.2 
 PB2SMarketVolume F15.0 
 pointbet2sets02back F15.2 
 pointbet2sets02lay F15.2 
 pointbet2sets12back F15.2 
 pointbet2sets12lay F15.2 
 pointbet2sets20back F15.2 
 pointbet2sets20lay F15.2 
 pointbet2sets21back F15.2 
 pointbet2sets21lay F15.2. 
CACHE. 
EXECUTE. 
 
... but however combining both, I only get error messages ... 
 
----- 
Dr. Frank Gaeth 
FU-Berlin 
 
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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:48:07 -0700
From: drfg2008 <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: SPSSINC GETURI DATA

Thanks Jon

@David:

/As usual Frank,
You fail to provide the essential information necessary for others to assist
you! /

- as usual?

-----
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FU-Berlin

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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:38:00 -0400
From: Art Kendall <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: calculating average annual percentage change in SPSS - reply help
please!!

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It must be a real handicap in doing your work is you
cannot get on listserv lists, forums, etc. 
 
The listserv SPSSX-L uses  is very very old.  I guess nobody at a
university or agency has volunteered to bring the archives to
his/her system. 
UGA has not updated its listserve or archives in a long time. They
are running version 1.8d. The current version is at least 15.0. 
[this is surprising since lists are very helpful in educational
settings. UGA's page says it has 2000 lists!] 
 
 
<tt><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[hidden email]">[hidden email]</a> </tt>is
where to send a message to the list manager. 
 
 
I am including the list to see if others can help you. 
 
I seem to recall that the problem of non-standard email has come
up before. Does anyone on the list know 
1 --  how someone who uses Lotus Notes can send _ordinary email_ 
without privileges? 
2 --  what Thara should ask the IT department to set the overall
parameters to? or 
3 --  what Thara should ask the IT
department to set the her/his parameters to? 
 
 
 
Art Kendall 
Social Research Consultants 
 
 
 
On 8/11/2011 10:48 PM, Thara Vardhan wrote:
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cite="mid:%20%[hidden email]"
type="cite"><tt>Hi Art</tt>
 
 
I sent a message to the SPSS list
and
I get the following message. 
 
 
I do not have the administrator's
email
address. Can you sent it to me please?
 
 
Also my agency uses IBM Lotus
notes
as the official email software. I personally cannot change any
settings
or  
 
features on it.
 
 
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owner at 
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Can you help me please? There is
no
other way I can access the list serve.
 
 
 I am not authorised to use the
SPSS discussion list through the internet since it is forum. 
 
 
many thanks
 
regards
 
thara
 
 
My message:
 
 
<tt>Hi Maurice, David and Art 
 
Thank you so much for helping me with the syntax to calculate
 'average
 
annual percentage change in SPSS'. 
 
My apologies if i was not clear in explaining what i wanted to
calculate. 
 
I wanted to measure the  avgchange over the 5 years. 
 
Art - the syntax you sent me worked perfectly. This is
extremely useful.
 
You are absolutely right in your observation that the average
change and
 
annual growth rate can be different. 
 
Prior to sending my request to the list I managed to calculate
it  as
 
follows using  Excel: 
 
which translates to this in my Excel file 
 
                   
                 =(C9/C5)^(1/5)-1 
 
I was wondering if there is way in SPSS to do this without the
aggregate
 
process. 
 
many thanks 
thara</tt> 
 
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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:52:01 -0400
From: Martha Hewett <[hidden email]>
Subject: How should I account for multiple comparisons when looking at p values?

I am comparing 7 groups on multiple dimensions (demographics, attitudes,
actions). Some comparisons are across all groups and some are among 2 or 3
or 4 of the groups. They include ANOVAs, chi-squares and t tests. I know
with so many comparisons some will be significant by chance. How should I
adjust for this? Also, should such an adjustment be made within types of
questions (e.g. within demographics, within attitudes, and within actions)
or across all items compared?

Thanks for any help you can provide.

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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 14:10:21 -0400
From: Gene Maguin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: summary distribution with multiple observations per respondent

Ok, glad it worked for you. On to the next question. Although you don't say
so, I'm going to assume that you are thinking of t-test or Anovas. I'd
suggest you look at the mixed command because you have what looks like a two
level analysis. However, more experienced list-folks may have better advice.

Gene Maguin

-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Corning [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 11:23 AM
To: Gene Maguin
Subject: Re: summary distribution with multiple observations per respondent

Thank you, Gene! I was not aware that such a command even existed, but it
does just what I need and is simple to use. One further question: does SPSS
provide any way to adjust for the clustering that now occurs (e.g., if I
were to use any significance tests on the summary variable in the
restructured data)? Not essential, but I am wondering if you might know.
Again, thanks so much for your help! Best, Amy

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 16:46:16 -0400, Gene Maguin <[hidden email]>
wrote:
> Amy,
>
> I think you need to restructure your file from wide to long. Read up on
the

> varstocases command.
>
> Gene Maguin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Amy
> Corning
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 4:29 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: summary distribution with multiple observations per respondent
>
> I have SPSS data containing variables that identify each respondent's age
> at the time of 8 different events. I would like to find a way in SPSS to
> obtain a single summary distribution of ages over the 8 variables, but
> measures of central tendency are not appropriate. For the moment I am
> generating frequency distributions for each of the 8 variables, then
> averaging them by hand, but I'm wondering whether anyone can suggest a
more
> efficient approach? (Essentially, I think I may need a way of treating
each

> respondent's 8 responses as 8 separate cases.)
>
> Thank you! -Amy
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 14:42:42 -0400
From: Gene Maguin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: How should I account for multiple comparisons when looking at p
values?

Hi Martha,

I don't claim to be an expert about what follows; others know more. If you
step back a minute and think about your results, I think there two things to
consider, in addition to the multiple comparisons per se. One is correlation
among results and the other is independent variables subset comparisons,
i.e., comparions involving differing numbers of groups. My only thought on
that is to ignore the subset element and treat them as full set
coparisons--unless the set of all results includes both subset comparisons
and full set comparions of the same DV. To the extant that the DVs are
correlated, the test statistics will be correlated.

The traditional way of controlling for muliple comparisons has been the
Bonferroni adjustment--if the nomial significance threshold is set at .05
and you do 10 tests, reset the threshold to .05/10=.005. Bonferroni is
criticized because power is (much) reduced. An alternative is the false
discovery rate (FDR). I think the procedures have undergone some development
since first being published. The key names are Benjamini, Yoav and Hochberg,
Yosef. I have also seen a reference to Holm, S. Look at the Wikipedia
article on false discovery rate. It's important to understand that there is
a difference between Bonferroni and FDR in terms of what is being controlled
for. The wiki article shows an adjustement to the FDR computation for
correlated tests that I don't recall seeing in the Benjamini et al.
articles. The FDR procedure for uncorrelated tests is to rank the test
results from most significant to least significant and then test the first
at .05 (the assumed threshold), the second at .05/2=.025, the third at
.05/3=.01667, etc until a result fails to pass the threshold.

I think there was a discussion on the list sometime earlier this year on FDR
and correlated tests and you might find something about it in the archives.

Gene Maguin

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From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Martha Hewett
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 12:52 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: How should I account for multiple comparisons when looking at p
values?

I am comparing 7 groups on multiple dimensions (demographics, attitudes,
actions). Some comparisons are across all groups and some are among 2 or 3
or 4 of the groups. They include ANOVAs, chi-squares and t tests. I know
with so many comparisons some will be significant by chance. How should I
adjust for this? Also, should such an adjustment be made within types of
questions (e.g. within demographics, within attitudes, and within actions)
or across all items compared?

Thanks for any help you can provide.

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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:59:15 -0600
From: Jon K Peck <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: calculating average annual percentage change in SPSS - reply
help please!!

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I used Lotus Notes all the time to send email to the list, including this
message, and I have no problems with it. Notes does sometimes encapsulate
the earlier part of a message when you reply in a twisty, but I haven't
seen this cause any problems.

The only thing I can think of is that you have a signature file that has
an image or some complex formatting. Ask your systems administrator for
help.

Note also that you can use the forums attached to the SPSS Community (
www.ibm.com/developerworks/spssdevcentral). Those provide a number of
conveniences not available on the listserv.

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From: Art Kendall <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Date: 08/14/2011 09:43 AM
Subject: Re: [SPSSX-L] calculating average annual percentage change
in SPSS - reply help please!!
Sent by: "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <[hidden email]>

It must be a real handicap in doing your work is you cannot get on
listserv lists, forums, etc.

The listserv SPSSX-L uses is very very old. I guess nobody at a
university or agency has volunteered to bring the archives to his/her
system.
UGA has not updated its listserve or archives in a long time. They are
running version 1.8d. The current version is at least 15.0. [this is
surprising since lists are very helpful in educational settings. UGA's
page says it has 2000 lists!]

[hidden email] is where to send a message to the list
manager.

I am including the list to see if others can help you.

I seem to recall that the problem of non-standard email has come up
before. Does anyone on the list know
1 -- how someone who uses Lotus Notes can send _ordinary email_ without
privileges?
2 -- what Thara should ask the IT department to set the overall
parameters to? or
3 -- what Thara should ask the IT department to set the her/his
parameters to?

Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants

On 8/11/2011 10:48 PM, Thara Vardhan wrote:
Hi Art

I sent a message to the SPSS list and I get the following message.

I do not have the administrator's email address. Can you sent it to me
please?

Also my agency uses IBM Lotus notes as the official email software. I
personally cannot change any settings or
features on it.

Your posting to the SPSSX-L list has been rejected because it contains an
attachment of type 'MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE'. The SPSSX-L list has been
configured to reject such attachments; please contact the list owner at
[hidden email] for more information.

Can you help me please? There is no other way I can access the list serve.

I am not authorised to use the SPSS discussion list through the internet
since it is forum.

many thanks
regards
thara

My message:

Hi Maurice, David and Art

Thank you so much for helping me with the syntax to calculate 'average
annual percentage change in SPSS'.

My apologies if i was not clear in explaining what i wanted to calculate.

I wanted to measure the avgchange over the 5 years.

Art - the syntax you sent me worked perfectly. This is extremely useful.
You are absolutely right in your observation that the average change and
annual growth rate can be different.

Prior to sending my request to the list I managed to calculate it as
follows using Excel:

which translates to this in my Excel file

=(C9/C5)^(1/5)-1

I was wondering if there is way in SPSS to do this without the aggregate
process.

many thanks
thara

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 The only thing I can think of is that
you have a signature file that has an image or some complex formatting.
 Ask your systems administrator for help.
 
 Note also that you can use the forums
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 From:      
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 To:      
 [hidden email]
 Date:      
 08/14/2011 09:43 AM
 Subject:    
   Re: [SPSSX-L]
calculating average annual percentage change in        
     SPSS - reply            
 help please!!
 Sent by:    
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<hr noshade>
 
 
 It must be a real handicap in doing your work is you cannot
get on listserv lists, forums, etc. 
 
The listserv SPSSX-L uses  is very very old.  I guess nobody
at a university or agency has volunteered to bring the archives to his/her
system. 
UGA has not updated its listserve or archives in a long time. They are
running version 1.8d. The current version is at least 15.0.  [this
is surprising since lists are very helpful in educational settings. UGA's
page says it has 2000 lists!] 
 
<tt> 
</tt><a href="mailto:[hidden email]"><tt>[hidden email]</tt></a><tt>
</tt>is where to send a message to the list manager. 
 
 
I am including the list to see if others can help you. 
 
I seem to recall that the problem of non-standard email has come up before.
Does anyone on the list know 
1 --  how someone who uses Lotus Notes can send _ordinary email_  without
privileges? 
2 --  what Thara should ask the IT department to set the overall parameters
to? or 
3 --  what Thara should ask the IT department to set the her/his parameters
to? 
 
 
 
Art Kendall 
Social Research Consultants 
 
 
 
On 8/11/2011 10:48 PM, Thara Vardhan wrote: 
 <tt>Hi Art</tt> 
 
I sent a message to the SPSS list and I get the following message. 
 
I do not have the administrator's email address. Can you sent it to me
please? 
 
Also my agency uses IBM Lotus notes as the official email software. I personally
cannot change any settings or   
features on it. 
<tt> 
Your posting to the SPSSX-L list has been rejected because it contains
an 
attachment  of type  'MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE'. The  SPSSX-L
list  has been 
configured to reject  such attachments; please contact the  list
owner at</tt><tt> 
</tt><a href="mailto:[hidden email]"><tt>[hidden email]</tt></a><tt>
for more information.</tt> 
 
Can you help me please? There is no other way I can access the list serve.
 
 
I am not authorised to use the SPSS discussion list through the internet
since it is forum. 
 
many thanks 
regards 
thara 
 
My message: 
<tt> 
Hi Maurice, David and Art 
 
Thank you so much for helping me with the syntax to calculate  'average
 
annual percentage change in SPSS'. 
 
My apologies if i was not clear in explaining what i wanted to calculate. 
 
I wanted to measure the  avgchange over the 5 years. 
 
Art - the syntax you sent me worked perfectly. This is extremely useful.
 
You are absolutely right in your observation that the average change and
 
annual growth rate can be different. 
 
Prior to sending my request to the list I managed to calculate it  as
 
follows using  Excel: 
 
which translates to this in my Excel file 
 
                   
                =(C9/C5)^(1/5)-1 
 
I was wondering if there is way in SPSS to do this without the aggregate
 
process. 
 
many thanks 
thara</tt> 

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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:00:18 -0700
From: Bruce Weaver <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: calculating average annual percentage change in SPSS - reply help
please!!

Has Thara tried posting to the list via Nabble?

http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/

HTH.

Art Kendall wrote:

>
> It must be a real handicap in doing your work is you
> cannot get on listserv lists, forums, etc.
>
> The listserv SPSSX-L uses  is very very old.  I guess
> nobody at a
> university or agency has volunteered to bring the archives to
> his/her system.
> UGA has not updated its listserve or archives in a long time. They
> are running version 1.8d. The current version is at least
> 15.0. 
> [this is surprising since lists are very helpful in educational
> settings. UGA's page says it has 2000 lists!]
>
>
> [hidden email] is
> where to send a message to the list manager.
>
>
> I am including the list to see if others can help you.
>
> I seem to recall that the problem of non-standard email has come
> up before. Does anyone on the list know
> 1 --  how someone who uses Lotus Notes can send _ordinary
> email_ 
> without privileges?
> 2 --  what Thara should ask the IT department to set the
> overall
> parameters to? or
> 3 --  what Thara should ask the IT
> department to set the her/his parameters to?
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
> Social Research Consultants
>
>
>
> On 8/11/2011 10:48 PM, Thara Vardhan wrote:
> Hi Art
>
>
> I sent a message to the SPSS list
> and
> I get the following message.
>
>
> I do not have the administrator's
> email
> address. Can you sent it to me please?
>
>
> Also my agency uses IBM Lotus
> notes
> as the official email software. I personally cannot change any
> settings
> or  
>
> features on it.
>
>
> Your posting to the SPSSX-L list has been
> rejected
> because it contains an
> attachment  of type  'MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE'. The
>  SPSSX-L
> list  has been
> configured to reject  such attachments; please contact the
>  list
> owner at
> [hidden email] for more information.
>
>
> Can you help me please? There is
> no
> other way I can access the list serve.
>
>
>  I am not authorised to use the
> SPSS discussion list through the internet since it is forum.
>
>
> many thanks
>
> regards
>
> thara
>
>
> My message:
>
>
> Hi Maurice, David and Art
>
> Thank you so much for helping me with the syntax to calculate
>  'average
>
> annual percentage change in SPSS'.
>
> My apologies if i was not clear in explaining what i wanted to
> calculate.
>
> I wanted to measure the  avgchange over the 5 years.
>
> Art - the syntax you sent me worked perfectly. This is
> extremely useful.
>
> You are absolutely right in your observation that the average
> change and
>
> annual growth rate can be different.
>
> Prior to sending my request to the list I managed to calculate
> it  as
>
> follows using  Excel:
>
> which translates to this in my Excel file
>
>                  
>  
>                
>  =(C9/C5)^(1/5)-1
>
> I was wondering if there is way in SPSS to do this without the
> aggregate
>
> process.
>
> many thanks
> thara
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 14:09:30 -0500
From: Martha Hewett <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: calculating average annual percentage change in SPSS - reply help
please!!

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That's probably right - I have to delete my signature block to get my
Lotus Notes e-mail to be accepted by the Listserv.

From:
Jon K Peck <[hidden email]>
To:
[hidden email]
Date:
08/14/2011 02:06 PM
Subject:
Re: calculating average annual percentage change in SPSS - reply help
please!!
Sent by:
"SPSSX(r) Discussion" <[hidden email]>

I used Lotus Notes all the time to send email to the list, including this
message, and I have no problems with it. Notes does sometimes encapsulate
the earlier part of a message when you reply in a twisty, but I haven't
seen this cause any problems.

The only thing I can think of is that you have a signature file that has
an image or some complex formatting. Ask your systems administrator for
help.

Note also that you can use the forums attached to the SPSS Community (
www.ibm.com/developerworks/spssdevcentral). Those provide a number of
conveniences not available on the listserv.

Jon Peck (no "h")
Senior Software Engineer, IBM
[hidden email]
new phone: 720-342-5621

From: Art Kendall <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Date: 08/14/2011 09:43 AM
Subject: Re: [SPSSX-L] calculating average annual percentage change
in SPSS - reply help please!!
Sent by: "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <[hidden email]>

It must be a real handicap in doing your work is you cannot get on
listserv lists, forums, etc.

The listserv SPSSX-L uses is very very old. I guess nobody at a
university or agency has volunteered to bring the archives to his/her
system.
UGA has not updated its listserve or archives in a long time. They are
running version 1.8d. The current version is at least 15.0. [this is
surprising since lists are very helpful in educational settings. UGA's
page says it has 2000 lists!]

[hidden email] is where to send a message to the list
manager.

I am including the list to see if others can help you.

I seem to recall that the problem of non-standard email has come up
before. Does anyone on the list know
1 -- how someone who uses Lotus Notes can send _ordinary email_ without
privileges?
2 -- what Thara should ask the IT department to set the overall
parameters to? or
3 -- what Thara should ask the IT department to set the her/his
parameters to?

Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants

On 8/11/2011 10:48 PM, Thara Vardhan wrote:
Hi Art

I sent a message to the SPSS list and I get the following message.

I do not have the administrator's email address. Can you sent it to me
please?

Also my agency uses IBM Lotus notes as the official email software. I
personally cannot change any settings or
features on it.

Your posting to the SPSSX-L list has been rejected because it contains an
attachment of type 'MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE'. The SPSSX-L list has been
configured to reject such attachments; please contact the list owner at
[hidden email] for more information.

Can you help me please? There is no other way I can access the list serve.

I am not authorised to use the SPSS discussion list through the internet
since it is forum.

many thanks
regards
thara

My message:

Hi Maurice, David and Art

Thank you so much for helping me with the syntax to calculate 'average
annual percentage change in SPSS'.

My apologies if i was not clear in explaining what i wanted to calculate.

I wanted to measure the avgchange over the 5 years.

Art - the syntax you sent me worked perfectly. This is extremely useful.
You are absolutely right in your observation that the average change and
annual growth rate can be different.

Prior to sending my request to the list I managed to calculate it as
follows using Excel:

which translates to this in my Excel file

=(C9/C5)^(1/5)-1

I was wondering if there is way in SPSS to do this without the aggregate
process.

many thanks
thara
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<hr noshade>
 
 
 I used Lotus Notes all the time to send
email to the list, including this message, and I have no problems with
it.  Notes does sometimes encapsulate the earlier part of a message
when you reply in a twisty, but I haven't seen this cause any problems.
 
 
The only thing I can think of is that you have a signature file that has
an image or some complex formatting.  Ask your systems administrator
for help. 
 
Note also that you can use the forums attached to the SPSS Community (<a href=www.ibm.com/developerworks/spssdevcentral>www.ibm.com/developerworks/spssdevcentral</a>).
 Those provide a number of conveniences not available on the listserv.
 
 
Jon Peck (no "h") 
Senior Software Engineer, IBM 
[hidden email] 
new phone: 720-342-5621 
 
 
 
 
From:        Art
Kendall <[hidden email]> 
To:        [hidden email]
 
Date:        08/14/2011
09:43 AM 
Subject:        Re:
[SPSSX-L] calculating average annual percentage change in    
         SPSS - reply        
     help please!! 
Sent by:        "SPSSX(r)
Discussion" <[hidden email]> 

<hr noshade> 
 
 
It must be a real handicap in doing your work is you cannot get on listserv
lists, forums, etc. 
 
The listserv SPSSX-L uses  is very very old.  I guess nobody
at a university or agency has volunteered to bring the archives to his/her
system. 
UGA has not updated its listserve or archives in a long time. They are
running version 1.8d. The current version is at least 15.0.  [this
is surprising since lists are very helpful in educational settings. UGA's
page says it has 2000 lists!] 
<tt> 
</tt> 
<a href="mailto:[hidden email]"><tt>[hidden email]</tt></a><tt>
</tt>is where to send a message to the list manager. 
 
 
I am including the list to see if others can help you. 
 
I seem to recall that the problem of non-standard email has come up before.
Does anyone on the list know 
1 --  how someone who uses Lotus Notes can send _ordinary email_  without
privileges? 
2 --  what Thara should ask the IT department to set the overall parameters
to? or 
3 --  what Thara should ask the IT department to set the her/his parameters
to? 
 
 
 
Art Kendall 
Social Research Consultants 
 
 
 
On 8/11/2011 10:48 PM, Thara Vardhan wrote: <tt> 
Hi Art</tt> 
 
I sent a message to the SPSS list and I get the following message. 
 
I do not have the administrator's email address. Can you sent it to me
please? 
 
Also my agency uses IBM Lotus notes as the official email software. I personally
cannot change any settings or   
features on it. <tt> 
 
Your posting to the SPSSX-L list has been rejected because it contains
an 
attachment  of type  'MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE'. The  SPSSX-L
list  has been 
configured to reject  such attachments; please contact the  list
owner at</tt> 
<a href="mailto:[hidden email]"><tt>[hidden email]</tt></a><tt>
for more information.</tt> 
 
Can you help me please? There is no other way I can access the list serve.
 
 
I am not authorised to use the SPSS discussion list through the internet
since it is forum. 
 
many thanks 
regards 
thara 
 
My message: <tt> 
 
Hi Maurice, David and Art 
 
Thank you so much for helping me with the syntax to calculate  'average
 
annual percentage change in SPSS'. 
 
My apologies if i was not clear in explaining what i wanted to calculate. 
 
I wanted to measure the  avgchange over the 5 years. 
 
Art - the syntax you sent me worked perfectly. This is extremely useful.
 
You are absolutely right in your observation that the average change and
 
annual growth rate can be different. 
 
Prior to sending my request to the list I managed to calculate it  as
 
follows using  Excel: 
 
which translates to this in my Excel file 
 
                   
               =(C9/C5)^(1/5)-1 
 
I was wondering if there is way in SPSS to do this without the aggregate
 
process. 
 
many thanks 
thara</tt>
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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:56:36 -0400
From: Rich Ulrich <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: How should I account for multiple comparisons when looking at p
values?

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What kind of statement are you making?
Who are you making it to=2C and what do they expect?

What is the N? If you have tens of thousands=2C a journal like NEJM
will suggest that you ignore all tests=2C and focus on "effect size"=2C
because your power would be so large. =20

On the other hand=2C with 7 groups=2C observational data=2C and a much
smaller N... you could have a serious problem with power for some
analyses=2C especially if your group sizes are grossly unequal. I'll skip
by those concerns.

If the study is exploratory=2C then it is probably fair to report the strai=
ght
p-values -- with suitable warning to the readers. That is the simplest
case. Otherwise=2C corrections for multiple tests are needed for the=20
important tests.=20

If you want to actually *conclude* something=2C about *hypotheses*=2C

then you should draw up your small number of hypotheses in advance=2C

and figure out what variables or composite scores will be able to test

them. As you describe it=2C there are dozens of possible hypotheses.=20

These should be arranged in a hierarchy: These few are *primary*=2C

the main reason we collected the data=3B and (if any will be)=2C these will=
=20

be tested with correction=3B these next are also interesting in an explora=
tory=20

mode=2C and are reported without correction.

When you are looking at a variable that might *bias* the other=20
tests or comparisons=2C then it is proper=2C if not mandatory=2C to report =
the
single test with its nominal p-value -- These are warnings=2C and you don't
want to under-rate a warning. If a variable plays both roles (being a
possible bias-factor=2C and being of intrinsic interest)=2C you need to rep=
ort
both sorts of test-outcome if they are different. "Sex shows enough
difference between groups that it could be an important biasing factor=2C
even though the p-value is not significant after it is corrected for the=20
multiple testing."

Some tests fall "under" the original important tests=2C so that they may
be regarded as (say) explaining or detailing the reasons for the=20
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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:10:41 -0500
From: Martha Hewett <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: How should I account for multiple comparisons when looking at p
values?

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Rich - Thanks very much for your input.

The respondent n's for the 7 groups surveyed range from 380 to 569.
Mailout for each group was 800, except for the smallest group where the
max possible mailout was 441. Excluding that group, respondent ns range
from 467 to 569 (We worked very hard to get these high response rates.)

A key question is whether the treatments caused people to take any actions
that fall within a broad category of actions. To examine this we asked
about many actions (circa 40 without actually counting them). These are
being tested individually and will probably also be put into groups of
about 3 or 4 broad types of actions and tested as composites.

I should explain that there is an objective measure of the impact of the
treatments, and that is also being analyzed, but the examination of the
self-reported actions attempts to determine why there is or isn't a
measurable impact.

From:
Rich Ulrich <[hidden email]>
To:
<[hidden email]>, <[hidden email]>
Date:
08/14/2011 02:56 PM
Subject:
RE: How should I account for multiple comparisons when looking at p
values?

What kind of statement are you making?
Who are you making it to, and what do they expect?

What is the N? If you have tens of thousands, a journal like NEJM
will suggest that you ignore all tests, and focus on "effect size",
because your power would be so large.

On the other hand, with 7 groups, observational data, and a much
smaller N... you could have a serious problem with power for some
analyses, especially if your group sizes are grossly unequal. I'll skip
by those concerns.

If the study is exploratory, then it is probably fair to report the
straight
p-values -- with suitable warning to the readers. That is the simplest
case. Otherwise, corrections for multiple tests are needed for the
important tests.

If you want to actually *conclude* something, about *hypotheses*,
then you should draw up your small number of hypotheses in advance,
and figure out what variables or composite scores will be able to test
them. As you describe it, there are dozens of possible hypotheses.
These should be arranged in a hierarchy: These few are *primary*,
the main reason we collected the data; and (if any will be), these will
be tested with correction; these next are also interesting in an
exploratory
mode, and are reported without correction.

When you are looking at a variable that might *bias* the other
tests or comparisons, then it is proper, if not mandatory, to report the
single test with its nominal p-value -- These are warnings, and you don't
want to under-rate a warning. If a variable plays both roles (being a
possible bias-factor, and being of intrinsic interest), you need to report
both sorts of test-outcome if they are different. "Sex shows enough
difference between groups that it could be an important biasing factor,
even though the p-value is not significant after it is corrected for the
multiple testing."

Some tests fall "under" the original important tests, so that they may
be regarded as (say) explaining or detailing the reasons for the
significant (or non-significant) results in the primary tests. You can
point
to the original, significant test as an "overall" test on the area, which
then justifies using the nominal test size in followup.

- Of course, that organization of tests should have been done before
you ever collected the data. Then, you probably would have done some
things a little different. After the fact, you can only try to achieve
the
same "fair" state of mind; do not try to draw on what you have seen in
the results, because whatever critics exist will probably catch you at it.

Hope this helps.
--
Rich Ulrich

> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:52:01 -0400
> From: [hidden email]
> Subject: How should I account for multiple comparisons when looking at p
values?
> To: [hidden email]
>
> I am comparing 7 groups on multiple dimensions (demographics, attitudes,
> actions). Some comparisons are across all groups and some are among 2 or
3
> or 4 of the groups. They include ANOVAs, chi-squares and t tests. I know
> with so many comparisons some will be significant by chance. How should
I
> adjust for this? Also, should such an adjustment be made within types of
> questions (e.g. within demographics, within attitudes, and within
actions)
> or across all items compared?
>
> Thanks for any help you can provide.
>

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 Rich - Thanks very much for your input.
 
 The respondent n's for the 7 groups
surveyed range from 380 to 569.  Mailout for each group was 800, except
for the smallest group where the max possible mailout was 441.  Excluding
that group, respondent ns range from 467 to 569 (We worked very hard to
get these high response rates.)
 
 A key question is whether the treatments
caused people to take any actions that fall within a broad category of
actions.  To examine this we asked about many actions (circa 40 without
actually counting them).  These are being tested individually and
will probably also be put into groups of about 3 or 4 broad types of actions
and tested as composites.
 
 I should explain that there is an objective
measure of the impact of the treatments, and that is also being analyzed,
but the examination of the self-reported actions attempts to determine
why there is or isn't a measurable impact.  
 
 

 
 
 
<table width=100%>
<tr valign=top>
<td>From:
<td>Rich Ulrich <[hidden email]>
<tr valign=top>
<td>To:
<td><[hidden email]>, <[hidden email]>
<tr valign=top>
<td>Date:
<td>08/14/2011 02:56 PM
<tr valign=top>
<td>Subject:
<td>RE: How should I account for multiple
comparisons when looking at p            
 values?</table>
 
<hr noshade>
 
 
 What kind of statement are you making? 
Who are you making it to, and what do they expect? 
 
What is the N?  If you have tens of thousands, a journal like NEJM 
will suggest that you ignore all tests, and focus on "effect size", 
because your power would be so large.   
 
On the other hand, with 7 groups, observational data, and a much 
smaller N...  you could have a serious problem with power for some 
analyses, especially if your group sizes are grossly unequal.  I'll
skip 
by those concerns. 
 
If the study is exploratory, then it is probably fair to report the straight 
p-values -- with suitable warning to the readers.  That is the simplest 
case.  Otherwise, corrections for multiple tests are needed for the
 
important tests. 
 
If you want to actually *conclude*  something, about *hypotheses*, 
then you should draw up your small number of hypotheses in advance, 
and figure out what variables or composite scores will be able to test 
them.  As you describe it, there are dozens of possible hypotheses.
 
These should be arranged in a hierarchy:  These few are *primary*, 
the main reason we collected the data; and (if any will be), these will
 
be tested with correction;  these next are also interesting in an
exploratory 
mode, and are reported without correction. 
 
When you are looking at a variable that might *bias* the other 
tests or comparisons, then it is proper, if not mandatory, to report the 
single test with its nominal p-value -- These are warnings, and you don't 
want to under-rate a warning.  If a variable plays both roles (being
a 
possible bias-factor, and being of intrinsic interest), you need to report 
both sorts of test-outcome if they are different.  "Sex shows
enough 
difference between groups that it could be an important biasing factor, 
even though the p-value is not significant after it is corrected for the
 
multiple testing." 
 
Some tests fall "under" the original important tests, so that
they may 
be regarded as (say) explaining or detailing the reasons for the 
significant (or non-significant) results in the primary tests.  You
can point 
to the original, significant test as an "overall" test on the
area, which 
then justifies using the nominal test size in followup. 
 
- Of course, that organization of tests should have been done before 
you ever collected the data.  Then, you probably would have done some 
things a little different.  After the fact, you can only try to achieve
the 
same "fair" state of mind; do not try to draw on what you have
seen in 
the results, because whatever critics exist will probably catch you at
it. 
 
Hope this helps. 
-- 
Rich Ulrich 
 

 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:52:01 -0400 
> From: [hidden email] 
> Subject: How should I account for multiple comparisons when looking
at p values? 
> To: [hidden email] 
> 
> I am comparing 7 groups on multiple dimensions (demographics, attitudes, 
> actions). Some comparisons are across all groups and some are among
2 or 3 
> or 4 of the groups. They include ANOVAs, chi-squares and t tests.
I know 
> with so many comparisons some will be significant by chance. How should
I 
> adjust for this? Also, should such an adjustment be made within types
of 
> questions (e.g. within demographics, within attitudes, and within
actions) 
> or across all items compared? 
> 
> Thanks for any help you can provide. 
> 

 
 
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Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:32:30 +1000
From: "Gosse, Michelle" <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: calculating average annual percentage change in SPSS - reply help
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Hi Art,

I have this issue as well as my work requires a security classification on =
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The method I use to join is to use my home email address to join my work em=
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elp please!!

It must be a real handicap in doing your work is you cannot get on listserv=
lists, forums, etc.

The listserv SPSSX-L uses is very very old. I guess nobody at a universit=
y or agency has volunteered to bring the archives to his/her system.
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I am including the list to see if others can help you.

I seem to recall that the problem of non-standard email has come up before.=
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3 -- what Thara should ask the IT department to set the her/his parameters=
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Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants

On 8/11/2011 10:48 PM, Thara Vardhan wrote:
Hi Art

I sent a message to the SPSS list and I get the following message.

I do not have the administrator's email address. Can you sent it to me plea=
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Also my agency uses IBM Lotus notes as the official email software. I perso=
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many thanks
regards
thara

My message:

Hi Maurice, David and Art

Thank you so much for helping me with the syntax to calculate 'average
annual percentage change in SPSS'.

My apologies if i was not clear in explaining what i wanted to calculate.

I wanted to measure the avgchange over the 5 years.

Art - the syntax you sent me worked perfectly. This is extremely useful.
You are absolutely right in your observation that the average change and
annual growth rate can be different.

Prior to sending my request to the list I managed to calculate it as
follows using Excel:

which translates to this in my Excel file

=3D(C9/C5)^(1/5)-1

I was wondering if there is way in SPSS to do this without the aggregate
process.

many thanks
thara
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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:31:17 -0700
From: cysp <[hidden email]>
Subject: Excluding a large number of cases easily

Hi,

I have a subjectID column and an exclusion column that includes all the
subjectIDs that I want excluded. There is about 500 subjectIDs to be
excluded. What would be the easiest way to exclude them without manually
typing each subjectID as a conditional?

Thanks in advance

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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 19:17:05 -0700
From: David Marso <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: Excluding a large number of cases easily

Please define your situation a bit more clearly!
What do you mean by an "exclusion column"?
What is the relationship between this "exclusion column" wrt the cases/rows
in your data file?
Maybe post a few cases with the subjectID and Exclusion column listed.
I will resist any temptations to attempt InterneTelepathy at the moment.

cysp wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I have a subjectID column and an exclusion column that includes all the
> subjectIDs that I want excluded. There is about 500 subjectIDs to be
> excluded. What would be the easiest way to exclude them without manually
> typing each subjectID as a conditional?
>
> Thanks in advance
>

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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:59:25 -0700
From: cysp <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: Excluding a large number of cases easily

I'm not sure how to explain it any clearer. I'll paste a few rows:

subjectID exclude
206.80211.14:34 208.80211.14:34
207.80211.14:34 211.80211.14:34
208.80211.14:34 .
209.80211.14:34 .
210.80211.14:34 .
211.80211.14:34 .
. .
. .
. .

What I want to do: If any subjectID is in the exclude column, delete that
row. I'm aware of the problem that deleting a row will also delete a value
that's in the exclusion column.

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Re: summary distribution with multiple observations per respondent (2)

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TO Barry!
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