SPSS 17

[Andrew Rudd]

Hi All,
 
I've Just installed SPSS 17 today and I'm still having trouble with large tables (1300 rows by 30 Columns) taking a long time to appear and then be exported.
 
Is anyone else experiencing this if so is there a fix available?
 
Thanks
Andrew
 
Regards
 
Andrew Rudd
Business Analyst
Finance Now Ltd
 
DDI 09 845 0823
 
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[Weeks, Kyle]

Andrew, there are now much more efficient ways to accomplish this.  You can use the Output Management System to send the table directly to Excel and bypass the Viewer completely.  It seems like you are just using the Viewer as a temporary destination in order to create the Excel table.
 
Regards.
 
Kyle Weeks, Ph.D.
Director of Product Management, SPSS Statistics Product Line

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From: SPSSX(r) Discussion on behalf of Andrew Rudd
Sent: Tue 11/11/2008 5:30 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: SPSS 17



Hi All,

I've Just installed SPSS 17 today and I'm still having trouble with large tables (1300 rows by 30 Columns) taking a long time to appear and then be exported.

Is anyone else experiencing this if so is there a fix available?

Thanks
Andrew

Regards

Andrew Rudd
Business Analyst
Finance Now Ltd

DDI 09 845 0823

PO Box 41-335
St Lukes
Auckland

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[willers]

Good morning (in Germany),
there are a lot of notes about the speed of version 16 and version 17.
"Version 16 is slow."  "Version 17 is faster." I don't understand these
findings.
Java is slow. It's slow in Version 16, it's slow in Version 17.
E.g., to show the data dictionary of a file with 1000 Variables:
Version 15: blop, blop
Version 16,17: twenty one, twenty to....twenty seven (on German it lasts
even longer.)

To display results is slow in Version 16 and version 17, but the speed of
the statistical computing should be nearly the same in all versions. I don't
think, that there are major changes at the old kernel.
Where are the bottle necks? To display many tables is one one. There I see
no difference. Where are the others, that were removed in Version 17?

Have a nice day!
Reinhart Willers

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] Im Auftrag von
> Weeks, Kyle
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. November 2008 03:08
> An: [hidden email]
> Betreff: Re: SPSS 17
>
> Andrew, there are now much more efficient ways to accomplish this.  You
> can use the Output Management System to send the table directly to Excel
> and bypass the Viewer completely.  It seems like you are just using the
> Viewer as a temporary destination in order to create the Excel table.
>
> Regards.
>
> Kyle Weeks, Ph.D.
> Director of Product Management, SPSS Statistics Product Line
>
> Product Management
>
> SPSS Inc.
>
> Phone: [phone] / Fax: [phone]
>
> [hidden email]
>
> www.spss.com
> SPSS Inc. helps organizations turn data into insight through predictive
> analytics.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion on behalf of Andrew Rudd
> Sent: Tue 11/11/2008 5:30 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: SPSS 17
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've Just installed SPSS 17 today and I'm still having trouble with large
> tables (1300 rows by 30 Columns) taking a long time to appear and then be
> exported.
>
> Is anyone else experiencing this if so is there a fix available?
>
> Thanks
> Andrew
>
> Regards
>
> Andrew Rudd
> Business Analyst
> Finance Now Ltd
>
> DDI 09 845 0823
>
> PO Box 41-335
> St Lukes
> Auckland
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[Francien Berndsen]

When I run the same syntax in V15 and in V17, V17 runs it much faster. So I
I think V17 is much faster in statistical computing. I guess it has to do
with how spss uses the processor.

I do notice the same slowness with the Java-interface, the output is slower
than in V15, but I think it's faster than in V16.

Francien

> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] Namens willers
> Verzonden: woensdag 12 november 2008 9:48
> Aan: [hidden email]
> Onderwerp: [SPSSX-L] AW: SPSS 17/Speed
>
> Good morning (in Germany),
> there are a lot of notes about the speed of version 16 and version 17.
> "Version 16 is slow."  "Version 17 is faster." I don't understand these
> findings.
> Java is slow. It's slow in Version 16, it's slow in Version 17.
> E.g., to show the data dictionary of a file with 1000 Variables:
> Version 15: blop, blop
> Version 16,17: twenty one, twenty to....twenty seven (on German it lasts
> even longer.)
>
> To display results is slow in Version 16 and version 17, but the speed of
> the statistical computing should be nearly the same in all versions. I
> don't
> think, that there are major changes at the old kernel.
> Where are the bottle necks? To display many tables is one one. There I see
> no difference. Where are the others, that were removed in Version 17?
>
> Have a nice day!
> Reinhart Willers
>
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] Im Auftrag
> von
> > Weeks, Kyle
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. November 2008 03:08
> > An: [hidden email]
> > Betreff: Re: SPSS 17
> >
> > Andrew, there are now much more efficient ways to accomplish this.  You
> > can use the Output Management System to send the table directly to Excel
> > and bypass the Viewer completely.  It seems like you are just using the
> > Viewer as a temporary destination in order to create the Excel table.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > Kyle Weeks, Ph.D.
> > Director of Product Management, SPSS Statistics Product Line
> >
> > Product Management
> >
> > SPSS Inc.
> >
> > Phone: [phone] / Fax: [phone]
> >
> > [hidden email]
> >
> > www.spss.com
> > SPSS Inc. helps organizations turn data into insight through predictive
> > analytics.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: SPSSX(r) Discussion on behalf of Andrew Rudd
> > Sent: Tue 11/11/2008 5:30 PM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: SPSS 17
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I've Just installed SPSS 17 today and I'm still having trouble with
> large
> > tables (1300 rows by 30 Columns) taking a long time to appear and then
> be
> > exported.
> >
> > Is anyone else experiencing this if so is there a fix available?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Andrew
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Andrew Rudd
> > Business Analyst
> > Finance Now Ltd
> >
> > DDI 09 845 0823
> >
> > PO Box 41-335
> > St Lukes
> > Auckland
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[Uwe Warner-2]

Does anyone know a way to optimize the interaction between SPSS17 Java and the printer or print server?
Does not matter which actor in the chain. Nevertheless, I need a solution to minimize printing time.

Many thanks from Luxembourg (here it is nearly lunch time and I am hungry)

Uwe Warner
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-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of willers
Sent: Mittwoch, 12. November 2008 09:48
To: [hidden email]
Subject: AW: SPSS 17/Speed

Good morning (in Germany),
there are a lot of notes about the speed of version 16 and version 17.
"Version 16 is slow."  "Version 17 is faster." I don't understand these
findings.
Java is slow. It's slow in Version 16, it's slow in Version 17.
E.g., to show the data dictionary of a file with 1000 Variables:
Version 15: blop, blop
Version 16,17: twenty one, twenty to....twenty seven (on German it lasts
even longer.)

To display results is slow in Version 16 and version 17, but the speed of
the statistical computing should be nearly the same in all versions. I don't
think, that there are major changes at the old kernel.
Where are the bottle necks? To display many tables is one one. There I see
no difference. Where are the others, that were removed in Version 17?

Have a nice day!
Reinhart Willers

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] Im Auftrag von
> Weeks, Kyle
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. November 2008 03:08
> An: [hidden email]
> Betreff: Re: SPSS 17
>
> Andrew, there are now much more efficient ways to accomplish this.  You
> can use the Output Management System to send the table directly to Excel
> and bypass the Viewer completely.  It seems like you are just using the
> Viewer as a temporary destination in order to create the Excel table.
>
> Regards.
>
> Kyle Weeks, Ph.D.
> Director of Product Management, SPSS Statistics Product Line
>
> Product Management
>
> SPSS Inc.
>
> Phone: [phone] / Fax: [phone]
>
> [hidden email]
>
> www.spss.com
> SPSS Inc. helps organizations turn data into insight through predictive
> analytics.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion on behalf of Andrew Rudd
> Sent: Tue 11/11/2008 5:30 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: SPSS 17
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've Just installed SPSS 17 today and I'm still having trouble with large
> tables (1300 rows by 30 Columns) taking a long time to appear and then be
> exported.
>
> Is anyone else experiencing this if so is there a fix available?
>
> Thanks
> Andrew
>
> Regards
>
> Andrew Rudd
> Business Analyst
> Finance Now Ltd
>
> DDI 09 845 0823
>
> PO Box 41-335
> St Lukes
> Auckland
>
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[Jarrod Teo-2]

Hi All,

I found out that my Oridinary Least Square Regression model's residual is not normal.

May I know what are the common retractification to this problem?

Thanks a lot for helping.

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[bronnick]

Weeks, Kyle wrote

Andrew, there are now much more efficient ways to accomplish this.  You can use the Output Management System to send the table directly to Excel and bypass the Viewer completely.  It seems like you are just using the Viewer as a temporary destination in order to create the Excel table.
 
Regards.
 
Kyle Weeks, Ph.D.

Dear dr. Weeks,

Unfortunately, there are situations where one needs to use the viewer. Both SPSS 16 and 17 are terribly slow in rendering output, especially whenever there is a large amount of it. SPSS 15 and earlier were VERY much faster. Add to this the horrible font-rendering on Windows, not using Cleartype, and the conclusion is that you have ruined a great product. In my organization, SPSS has a very strong position, but personally, I'm sticking with SPSS 15 and looking into the alternatives, because I'm not willing to accept your new JAVA-programmed interface.

Regards

Kolbjørn S. Brønnick, Ph.d
Senior research scientist
Norwegian centre for movement disorders
Stavanger University Hospital
Norway

[Weeks, Kyle]

There are definitely times to use the Viewer. In Andrew's original posting, he was exporting the output to another application, I was simply suggesting using the Output management System as a more parsimonious way of getting the output to his final destination. We will continue to explore ways to speed up performance in all areas. 

 

You can try turning on anti-aliasing for the font issue.  Here are the steps from support:

 

Anti-aliasing can be turned on by running SPSS from a command prompt via the 'jcrun.bat' file in the main application folder.

E.g.,

>CD \Program Files\SPSSStatistics17.0

>jcrun.bat

 

Before running via the batch file, it is necessary to edit 'jcrun.bat' in a text editor.

 

1. Rename 'jcrun.bat' to 'jcrun.old'

2. Open 'jcrun.old' in a text editor

3. Modify the following:

 

From:

-Dswing.aatext=falseThe result seems to depend heavily on the type of display you have and perhaps the screen resolution and font. 

 

To:

-Dswing.aatext=true

 

The result seems to depend heavily on the type of display you have and perhaps the screen resolution and font.

 

Regards.

 

Kyle

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of bronnick
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:33 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS 17

 

Weeks, Kyle wrote:

> 

> Andrew, there are now much more efficient ways to accomplish this.  You

> can use the Output Management System to send the table directly to Excel

> and bypass the Viewer completely.  It seems like you are just using the

> Viewer as a temporary destination in order to create the Excel table.

> 

> Regards.

> 

> Kyle Weeks, Ph.D.

> 

 

Dear dr. Weeks,

 

Unfortunately, there are situations where one needs to use the viewer. Both

SPSS 16 and 17 are terribly slow in rendering output, especially whenever

there is a large amount of it. SPSS 15 and earlier were VERY much faster.

Add to this the horrible font-rendering on Windows, not using Cleartype, and

the conclusion is that you have ruined a great product. In my organization,

SPSS has a very strong position, but personally, I'm sticking with SPSS 15

and looking into the alternatives, because I'm not willing to accept your

new JAVA-programmed interface.

 

Regards

 

Kolbjørn S. Brønnick, Ph.d

Senior research scientist

Norwegian centre for movement disorders

Stavanger University Hospital

Norway

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[bronnick]

Dear dr Weeks,

I was forced to change to SPSS17 after getting Windows 7. Your guide for turning on font-smoothing did the trick for me and made it much more comfortable to use SPSS17 on a LCD screen. Thanks!

Kolbjørn

Weeks, Kyle wrote

There are definitely times to use the Viewer. In Andrew's original posting, he was exporting the output to another application, I was simply suggesting using the Output management System as a more parsimonious way of getting the output to his final destination. We will continue to explore ways to speed up performance in all areas.  

 

You can try turning on anti-aliasing for the font issue.  Here are the steps from support:

 

Anti-aliasing can be turned on by running SPSS from a command prompt via the 'jcrun.bat' file in the main application folder.

E.g.,

>CD \Program Files\SPSSStatistics17.0

>jcrun.bat

 

Before running via the batch file, it is necessary to edit 'jcrun.bat' in a text editor.

 

1. Rename 'jcrun.bat' to 'jcrun.old'

2. Open 'jcrun.old' in a text editor

3. Modify the following:

 

From:

-Dswing.aatext=falseThe result seems to depend heavily on the type of display you have and perhaps the screen resolution and font.  

 

To:

-Dswing.aatext=true

 

The result seems to depend heavily on the type of display you have and perhaps the screen resolution and font.

 

Regards.

 

Kyle

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of bronnick
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:33 AM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: SPSS 17

 

Weeks, Kyle wrote:

>

> Andrew, there are now much more efficient ways to accomplish this.  You

> can use the Output Management System to send the table directly to Excel

> and bypass the Viewer completely.  It seems like you are just using the

> Viewer as a temporary destination in order to create the Excel table.

>

> Regards.

>

> Kyle Weeks, Ph.D.

>

 

Dear dr. Weeks,

 

Unfortunately, there are situations where one needs to use the viewer. Both

SPSS 16 and 17 are terribly slow in rendering output, especially whenever

there is a large amount of it. SPSS 15 and earlier were VERY much faster.

Add to this the horrible font-rendering on Windows, not using Cleartype, and

the conclusion is that you have ruined a great product. In my organization,

SPSS has a very strong position, but personally, I'm sticking with SPSS 15

and looking into the alternatives, because I'm not willing to accept your

new JAVA-programmed interface.

 

Regards

 

Kolbjørn S. Brønnick, Ph.d

Senior research scientist

Norwegian centre for movement disorders

Stavanger University Hospital

Norway

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