SPSS 20 Chart Template frustrations

[Mdcraig]

I'm having some issues with a pie chart template that I have created. I have it set up with some custom colors, and I have selected to have the color of the text of the data labels match the color of wedge it is representing. When I apply the template, everything works, except the label colors don't match the colors of the wedges. It sets them as the colors of the each wedge from before the custom colors were added.

I went into the xml and tried moving addDataLabels section to after the colors of the wedges application, but then it breaks the template entirely. It won't apply anything. I know that I can go in and change the default colors, and that would solve all of my problems, but this template is used by multiple people at my company, and it would be a pain to get all of them to have to go in and change their default also.

I'm not too familiar with xml. I can read it and understand what it is trying to do, but I don't know know much about it. Am I missing something?

[Lemon, John S.]

I know it is sometimes a hassle to report things to IBM/SPSS but when I found a problem where certain aspects of a chart change were not being saved in the template I took the 'bull by the horns' and fought my way through the system to report it with evidence to back up my claims. After checking that what I said was correct and the changes I had made were not being saved the problem has been accepted and hopefully it will be fixed in the first service pack.

So rather than spend masses of time trying to resolve it yourself report it so it may get fixed in a future release / service pack; interestingly the error I found in 21 had existed in 20 as well which I was able to prove in my problem report.

Best Wishes

John S. Lemon
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Subject: SPSS 20 Chart Template frustrations

I'm having some issues with a pie chart template that I have created. I have it set up with some custom colors, and I have selected to have the color of the text of the data labels match the color of wedge it is representing.
When I apply the template, everything works, except the label colors don't match the colors of the wedges. It sets them as the colors of the each wedge from before the custom colors were added.

I went into the xml and tried moving addDataLabels section to after the colors of the wedges application, but then it breaks the template entirely.
It won't apply anything. I know that I can go in and change the default colors, and that would solve all of my problems, but this template is used by multiple people at my company, and it would be a pain to get all of them to have to go in and change their default also.

I'm not too familiar with xml. I can read it and understand what it is trying to do, but I don't know know much about it. Am I missing something?



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[Andy W]

Yes the chart templates are difficult, perhaps post the template to NABBLE for everyone to see. I don't think the order of the mark-up matters, but the specifications within the xml hierarchy.

One more general comment, you shouldn't need to specify colors at all in the chart template, but can do that in inline GPL. Below is an example, and the produced chart template updates with the correct colors for data labels for me.

**************************************************************************************************.
data list free /X.
begin data.
1
1
1
2
2
2
end data.

*First Chart used to Save template.
GGRAPH
  /GRAPHDATASET NAME="graphdataset" VARIABLES=COUNT()[name="COUNT"]
  X[LEVEL=NOMINAL] MISSING=LISTWISE REPORTMISSING=NO
  /GRAPHSPEC SOURCE=INLINE.
BEGIN GPL
 SOURCE: s=userSource(id("graphdataset"))
 DATA: COUNT=col(source(s), name("COUNT"))
 DATA: X=col(source(s), name("X"), unit.category())
 COORD: polar.theta(startAngle(0))
 GUIDE: axis(dim(1), null())
 GUIDE: legend(aesthetic(aesthetic.color.interior), label("X"))
 SCALE: linear(dim(1), dataMinimum(), dataMaximum())
 SCALE: cat(aesthetic(aesthetic.color.interior))
 ELEMENT: interval.stack(position(summary.percent(COUNT))),
  color.interior(X))
END GPL.

***************************************************************************.
*Here is what is within the saved template, V15, only saving labels as markers.
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no"?>
<template SPSS-Version="2.2" date="2013-03-07" description="" selectPath="76 " xmlns="http://xml.spss.com/spss/visualization" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://xml.spss.com/spss/visualization http://xml.spss.com/spss/visualization/vizml-template-3.0.xsd">
        <addDataLabels colorByMarker="true">
                <style color="#ffffff" color2="#bebebe" number="1" visible="true"/>
        </addDataLabels>
</template>
***************************************************************************.


*Make Chart with specified colors - just save the above template and respecify the template
location to on your local machine.
GGRAPH
  /GRAPHDATASET NAME="graphdataset" VARIABLES=COUNT()[name="COUNT"]
  X[LEVEL=NOMINAL] MISSING=LISTWISE REPORTMISSING=NO
  /GRAPHSPEC SOURCE=INLINE
  TEMPLATE=["C:\Documents and "+
  "Settings\andrew.wheeler\Desktop\test_Pie.sgt"].
BEGIN GPL
 SOURCE: s=userSource(id("graphdataset"))
 DATA: COUNT=col(source(s), name("COUNT"))
 DATA: X=col(source(s), name("X"), unit.category())
 COORD: polar.theta(startAngle(0))
 GUIDE: axis(dim(1), null())
 GUIDE: legend(aesthetic(aesthetic.color.interior), label("X"))
 SCALE: linear(dim(1), dataMinimum(), dataMaximum())
 SCALE: cat(aesthetic(aesthetic.color.interior), map(("1",color.red),("2",color.grey)))
 ELEMENT: interval.stack(position(summary.percent(COUNT))),
  color.interior(X))
END GPL.
**************************************************************************************************.

Some playing around it appears to me that the first "color" specification within the "addDataLabels" structure is the interior fill color, and the "color2" is the exterior border. Either you can specify to be transparent, e.g. [color2="transparent"]. This short snippets contains no information about what colors to supply the chart, so the "addDataLabels" node should not interfere with that.

[Ian Martin-2]

SPSS has been capriciously ignoring saved chart templates since my version 11, and continues to do so today in version 21.

Symbol and line colours and styles are the most problematic, in my experience.  Legend text edits are consistently ignored.  Version 11 is actually *better* at applying template changes than are versions 20, 21.

In version 19, specifying an .sgt template actually crashed the programme for me.  After going through a number of support personnel at SPSS, with some help from Jon, I finally got somebody who wrote some custom code and revised the module that apparently called up and applied the template.

Sometimes software use is a journey, not a destination.  Sigh.

Ian

On Mar 7, 2013, at 3:03 AM, "Lemon, John" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I know it is sometimes a hassle to report things to IBM/SPSS but when I found a problem where certain aspects of a chart change were not being saved in the template I took the 'bull by the horns' and fought my way through the system to report it with evidence to back up my claims. After checking that what I said was correct and the changes I had made were not being saved the problem has been accepted and hopefully it will be fixed in the first service pack.
>
> So rather than spend masses of time trying to resolve it yourself report it so it may get fixed in a future release / service pack; interestingly the error I found in 21 had existed in 20 as well which I was able to prove in my problem report.
>
> Best Wishes
>
> John S. Lemon
> IT Services - Student Liaison Officer
> University of Aberdeen
> Edward Wright Building
> Tel:  [phone]
>
> IT news for Students
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Mdcraig
> Sent: 06 March 2013 22:08
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: SPSS 20 Chart Template frustrations
>
> I'm having some issues with a pie chart template that I have created. I have it set up with some custom colors, and I have selected to have the color of the text of the data labels match the color of wedge it is representing.
> When I apply the template, everything works, except the label colors don't match the colors of the wedges. It sets them as the colors of the each wedge from before the custom colors were added.
>
> I went into the xml and tried moving addDataLabels section to after the colors of the wedges application, but then it breaks the template entirely.
> It won't apply anything. I know that I can go in and change the default colors, and that would solve all of my problems, but this template is used by multiple people at my company, and it would be a pain to get all of them to have to go in and change their default also.
>
> I'm not too familiar with xml. I can read it and understand what it is trying to do, but I don't know know much about it. Am I missing something?
>
>
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And has anyone noticed the bloating and resource hungry aspects over the years?
--
Totally unscientific casual observation on my own humble system:
MacBookPro Intel Duo 2.4 GHz, 4G RAM Vista-32

Other stuff running, haven't rebooted in days **.

ver 21  
    Startup time: 23 seconds
    Install size 710 MB
    Footprint stats.exe (160M) javaw (60M) spssengine (30M) java.exe (14M) --> 264M
--
ver 11.5
    Startup time 12 seconds
    Install size 177M
    Footprint spsswin.exe 11.5M

These are totally idle (no procs/data etc).
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Ian Martin-2 wrote

SPSS has been capriciously ignoring saved chart templates since my version 11, and continues to do so today in version 21.

Symbol and line colours and styles are the most problematic, in my experience.  Legend text edits are consistently ignored.  Version 11 is actually *better* at applying template changes than are versions 20, 21.

In version 19, specifying an .sgt template actually crashed the programme for me.  After going through a number of support personnel at SPSS, with some help from Jon, I finally got somebody who wrote some custom code and revised the module that apparently called up and applied the template.

Sometimes software use is a journey, not a destination.  Sigh.

Ian

On Mar 7, 2013, at 3:03 AM, "Lemon, John" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I know it is sometimes a hassle to report things to IBM/SPSS but when I found a problem where certain aspects of a chart change were not being saved in the template I took the 'bull by the horns' and fought my way through the system to report it with evidence to back up my claims. After checking that what I said was correct and the changes I had made were not being saved the problem has been accepted and hopefully it will be fixed in the first service pack.
>
> So rather than spend masses of time trying to resolve it yourself report it so it may get fixed in a future release / service pack; interestingly the error I found in 21 had existed in 20 as well which I was able to prove in my problem report.
>
> Best Wishes
>
> John S. Lemon
> IT Services - Student Liaison Officer
> University of Aberdeen
> Edward Wright Building
> Tel:  [phone]
>
> IT news for Students
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Mdcraig
> Sent: 06 March 2013 22:08
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: SPSS 20 Chart Template frustrations
>
> I'm having some issues with a pie chart template that I have created. I have it set up with some custom colors, and I have selected to have the color of the text of the data labels match the color of wedge it is representing.
> When I apply the template, everything works, except the label colors don't match the colors of the wedges. It sets them as the colors of the each wedge from before the custom colors were added.
>
> I went into the xml and tried moving addDataLabels section to after the colors of the wedges application, but then it breaks the template entirely.
> It won't apply anything. I know that I can go in and change the default colors, and that would solve all of my problems, but this template is used by multiple people at my company, and it would be a pain to get all of them to have to go in and change their default also.
>
> I'm not too familiar with xml. I can read it and understand what it is trying to do, but I don't know know much about it. Am I missing something?
>
>
>
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[ViAnn Beadle]

I don't think that capriciously is the best adverb but there is no doubt that chart templates are the red-headed step children of a continuing effort to find the sweet spot in the long-going graphics initiative that provides graphic power, aesthetics, customizability, and usability. A simple templating mechanism was defined that predates all the enhancements introduced through the various generations of graphics. Before I retired, the only developer familiar with the code would groan each time I showed him a template problem and spend quite a bit of time coming up with bypasses and this was not a high priority for him. GPL is aesthetically richer but still limited in font formatting, spacing and positioning.

 

And we now have the Graphboard facility which provides yet another method of formatting graphs.

 

IMHO, software is always a journey and not a destination.

 

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:04 AM, David Marso <[hidden email]> wrote:

And has anyone noticed the bloating and resource hungry aspects over the
years?
--
Totally unscientific casual observation on my own humble system:
MacBookPro Intel Duo 2.4 GHz, 4G RAM Vista-32

Other stuff running, haven't rebooted in days **.

ver 21
    Startup time: 23 seconds
    Install size 710 MB
    Footprint stats.exe (160M) javaw (60M) spssengine (30M) java.exe (14M)
--> 264M
--
ver 11.5
    Startup time 12 seconds
    Install size 177M
    Footprint spsswin.exe 11.5M

These are totally idle (no procs/data etc).
-----


Ian Martin-2 wrote

> SPSS has been capriciously ignoring saved chart templates since my version
> 11, and continues to do so today in version 21.
>
> Symbol and line colours and styles are the most problematic, in my
> experience.  Legend text edits are consistently ignored.  Version 11 is
> actually *better* at applying template changes than are versions 20, 21.
>
> In version 19, specifying an .sgt template actually crashed the programme
> for me.  After going through a number of support personnel at SPSS, with
> some help from Jon, I finally got somebody who wrote some custom code and
> revised the module that apparently called up and applied the template.
>
> Sometimes software use is a journey, not a destination.  Sigh.
>
> Ian
>

> On Mar 7, 2013, at 3:03 AM, "Lemon, John" &lt;

> j.s.lemon@.ac

> &gt; wrote:
>
>> I know it is sometimes a hassle to report things to IBM/SPSS but when I
>> found a problem where certain aspects of a chart change were not being
>> saved in the template I took the 'bull by the horns' and fought my way
>> through the system to report it with evidence to back up my claims. After
>> checking that what I said was correct and the changes I had made were not
>> being saved the problem has been accepted and hopefully it will be fixed
>> in the first service pack.
>>
>> So rather than spend masses of time trying to resolve it yourself report
>> it so it may get fixed in a future release / service pack; interestingly
>> the error I found in 21 had existed in 20 as well which I was able to
>> prove in my problem report.
>>
>> Best Wishes
>>
>> John S. Lemon
>> IT Services - Student Liaison Officer
>> University of Aberdeen
>> Edward Wright Building
>> Tel:  <a href="tel:%2B44%201224%20273350" value="[phone]">[phone]
>>
>> IT news for Students
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:

> SPSSX-L@.UGA

> ] On Behalf Of Mdcraig
>> Sent: 06 March 2013 22:08
>> To:

> SPSSX-L@.UGA

>> Subject: SPSS 20 Chart Template frustrations
>>
>> I'm having some issues with a pie chart template that I have created. I
>> have it set up with some custom colors, and I have selected to have the
>> color of the text of the data labels match the color of wedge it is
>> representing.
>> When I apply the template, everything works, except the label colors
>> don't match the colors of the wedges. It sets them as the colors of the
>> each wedge from before the custom colors were added.
>>
>> I went into the xml and tried moving addDataLabels section to after the
>> colors of the wedges application, but then it breaks the template
>> entirely.
>> It won't apply anything. I know that I can go in and change the default
>> colors, and that would solve all of my problems, but this template is
>> used by multiple people at my company, and it would be a pain to get all
>> of them to have to go in and change their default also.
>>
>> I'm not too familiar with xml. I can read it and understand what it is
>> trying to do, but I don't know know much about it. Am I missing
>> something?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/SPSS-20-Chart-Template-frustrations-tp5718423.html
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ViAnn Beadle wrote

I don't think that capriciously is the best adverb but there is no doubt
that chart templates are the red-headed step children of a continuing
effort to find the sweet spot in the long-going graphics initiative that
provides graphic power, aesthetics, customizability, and usability. A
simple templating mechanism was defined that predates all the enhancements
introduced through the various generations of graphics. Before I retired,
the only developer familiar with the code would groan each time I showed
him a template problem and spend quite a bit of time coming up with
bypasses and this was not a high priority for him. GPL is aesthetically
richer but still limited in font formatting, spacing and positioning.



And we now have the Graphboard facility which provides yet another method
of formatting graphs.



IMHO, software is always a journey and not a destination.




On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:04 AM, David Marso <[hidden email]> wrote:

> And has anyone noticed the bloating and resource hungry aspects over the
> years?
> --
> Totally unscientific casual observation on my own humble system:
> MacBookPro Intel Duo 2.4 GHz, 4G RAM Vista-32
>
> Other stuff running, haven't rebooted in days **.
>
> ver 21
>     Startup time: 23 seconds
>     Install size 710 MB
>     Footprint stats.exe (160M) javaw (60M) spssengine (30M) java.exe (14M)
> --> 264M
> --
> ver 11.5
>     Startup time 12 seconds
>     Install size 177M
>     Footprint spsswin.exe 11.5M
>
> These are totally idle (no procs/data etc).
> -----
>
>
> Ian Martin-2 wrote
> > SPSS has been capriciously ignoring saved chart templates since my
> version
> > 11, and continues to do so today in version 21.
> >
> > Symbol and line colours and styles are the most problematic, in my
> > experience.  Legend text edits are consistently ignored.  Version 11 is
> > actually *better* at applying template changes than are versions 20, 21.
> >
> > In version 19, specifying an .sgt template actually crashed the programme
> > for me.  After going through a number of support personnel at SPSS, with
> > some help from Jon, I finally got somebody who wrote some custom code and
> > revised the module that apparently called up and applied the template.
> >
> > Sometimes software use is a journey, not a destination.  Sigh.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > On Mar 7, 2013, at 3:03 AM, "Lemon, John" <
>
> > j.s.lemon@.ac
>
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> I know it is sometimes a hassle to report things to IBM/SPSS but when I
> >> found a problem where certain aspects of a chart change were not being
> >> saved in the template I took the 'bull by the horns' and fought my way
> >> through the system to report it with evidence to back up my claims.
> After
> >> checking that what I said was correct and the changes I had made were
> not
> >> being saved the problem has been accepted and hopefully it will be fixed
> >> in the first service pack.
> >>
> >> So rather than spend masses of time trying to resolve it yourself report
> >> it so it may get fixed in a future release / service pack; interestingly
> >> the error I found in 21 had existed in 20 as well which I was able to
> >> prove in my problem report.
> >>
> >> Best Wishes
> >>
> >> John S. Lemon
> >> IT Services - Student Liaison Officer
> >> University of Aberdeen
> >> Edward Wright Building
> >> Tel:  [phone]
> >>
> >> IT news for Students
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:
>
> > SPSSX-L@.UGA
>
> > ] On Behalf Of Mdcraig
> >> Sent: 06 March 2013 22:08
> >> To:
>
> > SPSSX-L@.UGA
>
> >> Subject: SPSS 20 Chart Template frustrations
> >>
> >> I'm having some issues with a pie chart template that I have created. I
> >> have it set up with some custom colors, and I have selected to have the
> >> color of the text of the data labels match the color of wedge it is
> >> representing.
> >> When I apply the template, everything works, except the label colors
> >> don't match the colors of the wedges. It sets them as the colors of the
> >> each wedge from before the custom colors were added.
> >>
> >> I went into the xml and tried moving addDataLabels section to after the
> >> colors of the wedges application, but then it breaks the template
> >> entirely.
> >> It won't apply anything. I know that I can go in and change the default
> >> colors, and that would solve all of my problems, but this template is
> >> used by multiple people at my company, and it would be a pain to get all
> >> of them to have to go in and change their default also.
> >>
> >> I'm not too familiar with xml. I can read it and understand what it is
> >> trying to do, but I don't know know much about it. Am I missing
> >> something?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>
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