Search and replace in V.15 syntax
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Search and replace in V.15 syntax
 
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I have encountered a strange behaviour in my V.15.0.1 SPSS Syntax Editor.
Trying to find some text in a syntax file, "text not found" is returned after "Find next", although the text is there all right and in many places. The same happens with "Find next" in Search and Replace. But when I click on "Replace all", all the instances are replaced correctly. Never saw this problem in prior versions. What's going on? Hector |
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Hi Hector
The 'text not found' bug existed in V14 in the Draft Viewer and editor. Looks like it's back in V15. See below: Regards Adrian Barnett Resolution number: 65426 Created on: May 30 2006 Last Reviewed on: Jan 9 2007 Problem Subject: FIND doesn't seem to work in the Draft Viewer Problem Description: I'm using SPSS 14 for Windows and I'm having trouble with the FIND function in the Draft Viewer. For instance, I have a Draft Viewer file that contains the text 'abc'. If I move the cursor in the top left corner and I try to FIND (i.e. Edit - Find ) the text 'abc' the application responds with a "Not Found" message. What's wrong? Resolution Subject: This appears to be a defect. Resolution Description: This is a defect in SPSS version 14 and has been fixed in SPSS version 15. We apologize for the inconvenience. Product(s) Affected: Product Version SPSS 14.0.2 Resolution number: 61827 Created on: Dec 21 2005 Last Reviewed on: Jun 17 2007 Problem Subject: Trouble with the Find/Replace function in SPSS 14.0 Syntax Editor Problem Description: I'm using SPSS 14.0 for Windows and I'm having trouble with the Find/Replace function in the Syntax Editor. The one thing that I can consistently replicate is that a string that starts in the first character of the first line of a syntax file seems to be invisible to the Find dialog box. For instance, I have a syntax file that starts with a GET FILE command in that first position, first line -- and that's the only appearance of "get" in the file. If I try to Find (i.e., Edit->Find, or clicking the Binoculars in the toolbar) the string "get" the application responds with a "Not Found" message. If I then put either a single extra space or an extra line before the GET FILE command, then the Find function can find the "get" string. This problem is replicable -- it happens every single time, in 14.0.1 as well. What's wrong? Resolution Subject: This appears to be a defect Resolution Description: This is a defect and has been fixed in SPSS 15.0 for Windows. As a workaround if you have extended Find/Replaces to do as part of your editing, you could select all the text in your syntax file, and copy/paste to a simple text editor, such as NotePad or Programmer's File Editor. Perform your editing and then copy/paste your edited code back to the SPSS Syntax Editor and save. There have been other reported issues with the Find feature in SPSS 14.0 and 15.0 that we have not been able to consistently replicate, and thus cannot be certain have been fixed along with the other replicable issues. One example involves a file with over 50 instances of a particular string, but sporadically the Find/Replace dialog can only "see" the first instance -- clicking Find Next in the dialog box does not advance the cursor to the next instance. So far SPSS Development has not been able to replicate this issue in a controlled environment, but user reports indicate that closing and re-opening the syntax file does seem to "re-set" the Find dialog's functionality. SPSS 16.0 for Windows will use a new syntax editor and all Find/Replace functionality should work as expected in that release. We apologize for the inconvenience. Product(s) Affected: Product Version SPSS 15.0.1 SPSS 14.0.1 SPSS 14.0 -----Original Message----- From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Hector Maletta Sent: Friday, 3 August 2007 7:46 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Search and replace in V.15 syntax I have encountered a strange behaviour in my V.15.0.1 SPSS Syntax Editor. Trying to find some text in a syntax file, "text not found" is returned after "Find next", although the text is there all right and in many places. The same happens with "Find next" in Search and Replace. But when I click on "Replace all", all the instances are replaced correctly. Never saw this problem in prior versions. What's going on? Hector |
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This has a been a minor, yet on-going, problem for me in v.14. More of an annoyance than anything; I just copy the syntax over to a Word doc, do whatever editing I need to there, and then copy back. Always seems to happen at very inopportune moments, though. :-)
I'm not sure if there's any validity to it because it seems rather strange, but I've heard that a patch exists to alleviate the problem, but you actually have to pay for it. Any one know if there is truth to this? - Matt "Barnett, Adrian (DECS)" <[hidden email]> wrote: Hi Hector The 'text not found' bug existed in V14 in the Draft Viewer and editor. Looks like it's back in V15. See below: Regards Adrian Barnett Resolution number: 65426 Created on: May 30 2006 Last Reviewed on: Jan 9 2007 Problem Subject: FIND doesn't seem to work in the Draft Viewer Problem Description: I'm using SPSS 14 for Windows and I'm having trouble with the FIND function in the Draft Viewer. For instance, I have a Draft Viewer file that contains the text 'abc'. If I move the cursor in the top left corner and I try to FIND (i.e. Edit - Find ) the text 'abc' the application responds with a "Not Found" message. What's wrong? Resolution Subject: This appears to be a defect. Resolution Description: This is a defect in SPSS version 14 and has been fixed in SPSS version 15. We apologize for the inconvenience. Product(s) Affected: Product Version SPSS 14.0.2 Resolution number: 61827 Created on: Dec 21 2005 Last Reviewed on: Jun 17 2007 Problem Subject: Trouble with the Find/Replace function in SPSS 14.0 Syntax Editor Problem Description: I'm using SPSS 14.0 for Windows and I'm having trouble with the Find/Replace function in the Syntax Editor. The one thing that I can consistently replicate is that a string that starts in the first character of the first line of a syntax file seems to be invisible to the Find dialog box. For instance, I have a syntax file that starts with a GET FILE command in that first position, first line -- and that's the only appearance of "get" in the file. If I try to Find (i.e., Edit->Find, or clicking the Binoculars in the toolbar) the string "get" the application responds with a "Not Found" message. If I then put either a single extra space or an extra line before the GET FILE command, then the Find function can find the "get" string. This problem is replicable -- it happens every single time, in 14.0.1 as well. What's wrong? Resolution Subject: This appears to be a defect Resolution Description: This is a defect and has been fixed in SPSS 15.0 for Windows. As a workaround if you have extended Find/Replaces to do as part of your editing, you could select all the text in your syntax file, and copy/paste to a simple text editor, such as NotePad or Programmer's File Editor. Perform your editing and then copy/paste your edited code back to the SPSS Syntax Editor and save. There have been other reported issues with the Find feature in SPSS 14.0 and 15.0 that we have not been able to consistently replicate, and thus cannot be certain have been fixed along with the other replicable issues. One example involves a file with over 50 instances of a particular string, but sporadically the Find/Replace dialog can only "see" the first instance -- clicking Find Next in the dialog box does not advance the cursor to the next instance. So far SPSS Development has not been able to replicate this issue in a controlled environment, but user reports indicate that closing and re-opening the syntax file does seem to "re-set" the Find dialog's functionality. SPSS 16.0 for Windows will use a new syntax editor and all Find/Replace functionality should work as expected in that release. We apologize for the inconvenience. Product(s) Affected: Product Version SPSS 15.0.1 SPSS 14.0.1 SPSS 14.0 -----Original Message----- From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Hector Maletta Sent: Friday, 3 August 2007 7:46 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Search and replace in V.15 syntax I have encountered a strange behaviour in my V.15.0.1 SPSS Syntax Editor. Trying to find some text in a syntax file, "text not found" is returned after "Find next", although the text is there all right and in many places. The same happens with "Find next" in Search and Replace. But when I click on "Replace all", all the instances are replaced correctly. Never saw this problem in prior versions. What's going on? Hector --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. |
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In reply to this post by Barnett, Adrian (DECS)
Thanks, Adrian. However, the problem I encountered is not
recognized in the resolution below concerning the syntax editor. Find next would not find even the first appearance of the text. Now, if this was already a problem in v.14, and some of it was corrected in v.15, it is hard to believe such a simple function could not be corrected as well. Even simple text editors can do find and replace, and nothing revolutionary has been done recently with the SPSS syntax editor to justify the appearance of such a problem. I hope this is indeed solved in v.16, but in fact the resolution said the general problem was to be solved in v.15. Hector -----Original Message----- From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barnett, Adrian (DECS) Sent: 02 August 2007 21:46 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: Search and replace in V.15 syntax Hi Hector The 'text not found' bug existed in V14 in the Draft Viewer and editor. Looks like it's back in V15. See below: Regards Adrian Barnett Resolution number: 65426 Created on: May 30 2006 Last Reviewed on: Jan 9 2007 Problem Subject: FIND doesn't seem to work in the Draft Viewer Problem Description: I'm using SPSS 14 for Windows and I'm having trouble with the FIND function in the Draft Viewer. For instance, I have a Draft Viewer file that contains the text 'abc'. If I move the cursor in the top left corner and I try to FIND (i.e. Edit - Find ) the text 'abc' the application responds with a "Not Found" message. What's wrong? Resolution Subject: This appears to be a defect. Resolution Description: This is a defect in SPSS version 14 and has been fixed in SPSS version 15. We apologize for the inconvenience. Product(s) Affected: Product Version SPSS 14.0.2 Resolution number: 61827 Created on: Dec 21 2005 Last Reviewed on: Jun 17 2007 Problem Subject: Trouble with the Find/Replace function in SPSS 14.0 Syntax Editor Problem Description: I'm using SPSS 14.0 for Windows and I'm having trouble with the Find/Replace function in the Syntax Editor. The one thing that I can consistently replicate is that a string that starts in the first character of the first line of a syntax file seems to be invisible to the Find dialog box. For instance, I have a syntax file that starts with a GET FILE command in that first position, first line -- and that's the only appearance of "get" in the file. If I try to Find (i.e., Edit->Find, or clicking the Binoculars in the toolbar) the string "get" the application responds with a "Not Found" message. If I then put either a single extra space or an extra line before the GET FILE command, then the Find function can find the "get" string. This problem is replicable -- it happens every single time, in 14.0.1 as well. What's wrong? Resolution Subject: This appears to be a defect Resolution Description: This is a defect and has been fixed in SPSS 15.0 for Windows. As a workaround if you have extended Find/Replaces to do as part of your editing, you could select all the text in your syntax file, and copy/paste to a simple text editor, such as NotePad or Programmer's File Editor. Perform your editing and then copy/paste your edited code back to the SPSS Syntax Editor and save. There have been other reported issues with the Find feature in SPSS 14.0 and 15.0 that we have not been able to consistently replicate, and thus cannot be certain have been fixed along with the other replicable issues. One example involves a file with over 50 instances of a particular string, but sporadically the Find/Replace dialog can only "see" the first instance -- clicking Find Next in the dialog box does not advance the cursor to the next instance. So far SPSS Development has not been able to replicate this issue in a controlled environment, but user reports indicate that closing and re-opening the syntax file does seem to "re-set" the Find dialog's functionality. SPSS 16.0 for Windows will use a new syntax editor and all Find/Replace functionality should work as expected in that release. We apologize for the inconvenience. Product(s) Affected: Product Version SPSS 15.0.1 SPSS 14.0.1 SPSS 14.0 -----Original Message----- From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Hector Maletta Sent: Friday, 3 August 2007 7:46 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Search and replace in V.15 syntax I have encountered a strange behaviour in my V.15.0.1 SPSS Syntax Editor. Trying to find some text in a syntax file, "text not found" is returned after "Find next", although the text is there all right and in many places. The same happens with "Find next" in Search and Replace. But when I click on "Replace all", all the instances are replaced correctly. Never saw this problem in prior versions. What's going on? Hector |
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No patch, Matthew, I'm afraid. One'll have to wait for v.16,
apparently. By the way, I hadn't noticed this new "feature" in v.14 because I just jumped over from v.13 to v.15. Hector -----Original Message----- From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Matthew Reeder Sent: 02 August 2007 23:35 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: Search and replace in V.15 syntax This has a been a minor, yet on-going, problem for me in v.14. More of an annoyance than anything; I just copy the syntax over to a Word doc, do whatever editing I need to there, and then copy back. Always seems to happen at very inopportune moments, though. :-) I'm not sure if there's any validity to it because it seems rather strange, but I've heard that a patch exists to alleviate the problem, but you actually have to pay for it. Any one know if there is truth to this? - Matt "Barnett, Adrian (DECS)" <[hidden email]> wrote: Hi Hector The 'text not found' bug existed in V14 in the Draft Viewer and editor. Looks like it's back in V15. See below: Regards Adrian Barnett Resolution number: 65426 Created on: May 30 2006 Last Reviewed on: Jan 9 2007 Problem Subject: FIND doesn't seem to work in the Draft Viewer Problem Description: I'm using SPSS 14 for Windows and I'm having trouble with the FIND function in the Draft Viewer. For instance, I have a Draft Viewer file that contains the text 'abc'. If I move the cursor in the top left corner and I try to FIND (i.e. Edit - Find ) the text 'abc' the application responds with a "Not Found" message. What's wrong? Resolution Subject: This appears to be a defect. Resolution Description: This is a defect in SPSS version 14 and has been fixed in SPSS version 15. We apologize for the inconvenience. Product(s) Affected: Product Version SPSS 14.0.2 Resolution number: 61827 Created on: Dec 21 2005 Last Reviewed on: Jun 17 2007 Problem Subject: Trouble with the Find/Replace function in SPSS 14.0 Syntax Editor Problem Description: I'm using SPSS 14.0 for Windows and I'm having trouble with the Find/Replace function in the Syntax Editor. The one thing that I can consistently replicate is that a string that starts in the first character of the first line of a syntax file seems to be invisible to the Find dialog box. For instance, I have a syntax file that starts with a GET FILE command in that first position, first line -- and that's the only appearance of "get" in the file. If I try to Find (i.e., Edit->Find, or clicking the Binoculars in the toolbar) the string "get" the application responds with a "Not Found" message. If I then put either a single extra space or an extra line before the GET FILE command, then the Find function can find the "get" string. This problem is replicable -- it happens every single time, in 14.0.1 as well. What's wrong? Resolution Subject: This appears to be a defect Resolution Description: This is a defect and has been fixed in SPSS 15.0 for Windows. As a workaround if you have extended Find/Replaces to do as part of your editing, you could select all the text in your syntax file, and copy/paste to a simple text editor, such as NotePad or Programmer's File Editor. Perform your editing and then copy/paste your edited code back to the SPSS Syntax Editor and save. There have been other reported issues with the Find feature in SPSS 14.0 and 15.0 that we have not been able to consistently replicate, and thus cannot be certain have been fixed along with the other replicable issues. One example involves a file with over 50 instances of a particular string, but sporadically the Find/Replace dialog can only "see" the first instance -- clicking Find Next in the dialog box does not advance the cursor to the next instance. So far SPSS Development has not been able to replicate this issue in a controlled environment, but user reports indicate that closing and re-opening the syntax file does seem to "re-set" the Find dialog's functionality. SPSS 16.0 for Windows will use a new syntax editor and all Find/Replace functionality should work as expected in that release. We apologize for the inconvenience. Product(s) Affected: Product Version SPSS 15.0.1 SPSS 14.0.1 SPSS 14.0 -----Original Message----- From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Hector Maletta Sent: Friday, 3 August 2007 7:46 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Search and replace in V.15 syntax I have encountered a strange behaviour in my V.15.0.1 SPSS Syntax Editor. Trying to find some text in a syntax file, "text not found" is returned after "Find next", although the text is there all right and in many places. The same happens with "Find next" in Search and Replace. But when I click on "Replace all", all the instances are replaced correctly. Never saw this problem in prior versions. What's going on? Hector --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. |
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Hi
There seem to be several symptoms of this problem in v14 including find suddenly stops working. Try shuting down and re-opening. Seems to be a memory usage problem as it also happens on my home PC with 2Gb RAM. Matt's suggestion is also a good one. I use Notepad. Warm regards/gary Gary R Oliver, CPA Discipline of Accounting School of Business The University of Sydney ------------------------ ,-_|\ Building H69, Office 437 / \ Corner Codrington Street \_,-._* & Rose Street Darlington 2006 @ Australia -------------------------------------- E-mail: [hidden email] ------------------------ Location details: Travelling from Broadway, turn south off City Road Navigate toward the Acquatic Centre ------------------------ University Map: http://db.auth.usyd.edu.au/directories/map/index.stm University Website: www.usyd.edu.au Faculty Website www.econ.usyd.edu.au ------------------------ Faculty Student Information Office (Timetables, Special Consideration) Merewether Building Enter from City Road side e-mail: [hidden email] Phone: 9351-3076 ---------------------------------- Executive Officer for the Discipline of Accounting: Kate Doyle Room 302, Building H69 E-mail: : [hidden email] Phone: 02 9351 6587 Fax: 9351 6638 --------------------------------- >>-----Original Message----- >>From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] >>On Behalf Of Matthew Reeder >>Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 12:35 PM >>To: [hidden email] >>Subject: Re: Search and replace in V.15 syntax >> >>This has a been a minor, yet on-going, problem for me in >>v.14. More of an annoyance than anything; I just copy the >>syntax over to a Word doc, do whatever editing I need to >>there, and then copy back. Always seems to happen at very >>inopportune moments, though. :-) >> >> I'm not sure if there's any validity to it because it seems >>rather strange, but I've heard that a patch exists to >>alleviate the problem, but you actually have to pay for it. >>Any one know if there is truth to this? >> >> >> - Matt >> >>"Barnett, Adrian (DECS)" <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Hi Hector >>The 'text not found' bug existed in V14 in the Draft Viewer >>and editor. >>Looks like it's back in V15. >> >>See below: >> >>Regards >> >>Adrian Barnett >> >>Resolution number: 65426 >>Created on: May 30 2006 Last Reviewed on: Jan 9 2007 >> >>Problem Subject: FIND doesn't seem to work in the Draft Viewer >> >>Problem Description: I'm using SPSS 14 for Windows and I'm >>having trouble with the FIND function in the Draft Viewer. >> >>For instance, I have a Draft Viewer file that contains the text 'abc'. >>If I move the cursor in the top left corner and I try to FIND >>(i.e. Edit >>- Find ) the text 'abc' the application responds with a "Not Found" >>message. >> >>What's wrong? >> >>Resolution Subject: This appears to be a defect. >> >>Resolution Description: >>This is a defect in SPSS version 14 and has been fixed in >>SPSS version 15. >> >>We apologize for the inconvenience. >> >>Product(s) Affected: >>Product Version >>SPSS 14.0.2 >> >>Resolution number: 61827 Created on: Dec 21 2005 Last Reviewed on: Jun >>17 2007 >> >>Problem Subject: Trouble with the Find/Replace function in >>SPSS 14.0 Syntax Editor >> >>Problem Description: I'm using SPSS 14.0 for Windows and I'm >>having trouble with the Find/Replace function in the Syntax >>Editor. The one thing that I can consistently replicate is >>that a string that starts in the first character of the first >>line of a syntax file seems to be invisible to the Find dialog box. >> >>For instance, I have a syntax file that starts with a GET >>FILE command in that first position, first line -- and that's >>the only appearance of "get" in the file. If I try to Find >>(i.e., Edit->Find, or clicking the Binoculars in the toolbar) >>the string "get" the application responds with a "Not Found" >>message. If I then put either a single extra space or an >>extra line before the GET FILE command, then the Find >>function can find the "get" string. This problem is >>replicable -- it happens every single time, in 14.0.1 as well. >> >>What's wrong? >> >>Resolution Subject: This appears to be a defect >> >>Resolution Description: >>This is a defect and has been fixed in SPSS 15.0 for Windows. >>As a workaround if you have extended Find/Replaces to do as >>part of your editing, you could select all the text in your >>syntax file, and copy/paste to a simple text editor, such as >>NotePad or Programmer's File Editor. Perform your editing and >>then copy/paste your edited code back to the SPSS Syntax >>Editor and save. >> >>There have been other reported issues with the Find feature >>in SPSS 14.0 and 15.0 that we have not been able to >>consistently replicate, and thus cannot be certain have been >>fixed along with the other replicable issues. One example >>involves a file with over 50 instances of a particular >>string, but sporadically the Find/Replace dialog can only >>"see" the first instance -- clicking Find Next in the dialog >>box does not advance the cursor to the next instance. So far >>SPSS Development has not been able to replicate this issue in >>a controlled environment, but user reports indicate that >>closing and re-opening the syntax file does seem to "re-set" >>the Find dialog's functionality. SPSS 16.0 for Windows will >>use a new syntax editor and all Find/Replace functionality >>should work as expected in that release. >> >>We apologize for the inconvenience. >> >>Product(s) Affected: >>Product Version >>SPSS 15.0.1 >>SPSS 14.0.1 >>SPSS 14.0 >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] >>On Behalf Of Hector Maletta >>Sent: Friday, 3 August 2007 7:46 AM >>To: [hidden email] >>Subject: Search and replace in V.15 syntax >> >>I have encountered a strange behaviour in my V.15.0.1 SPSS >>Syntax Editor. >>Trying to find some text in a syntax file, "text not found" >>is returned after "Find next", although the text is there all >>right and in many places. >>The same happens with "Find next" in Search and Replace. But >>when I click on "Replace all", all the instances are replaced >>correctly. Never saw this problem in prior versions. What's going on? >> >> >> >>Hector >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, >>not web links. >> |
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Well, something exciting to look forward to when I get 15 this fall.
I'm curious about several things about this because, as others have pointed out, 14 had a different, by maybe related, problem with Find and replace. A problem that did not exist with 13. Hector, was your posting the first instance that you had of this problem, or have you had the problem since you installed 15 and patched it up and just decided to write about this now? If the problem occurred only now and after you had used 15 for quite a while, I wonder if the problem could be corrected by reinstalling 15? With 14 the problem disappeared when spss was closed. Is this true for what you describe also? I'm guessing that a number of people on this list were beta testers for 15 and/or for 16. I wonder if any of the beta testers encountered this problem with 15? Just as important and especially since several people have recently recommended skipping 15 and waiting for 16 (due late this fall, I believe), did any of the 16 beta testers encounter either the problem that 14 had or the problem now described for 15? Gene Maguin |
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Gene,
Some of your hunches were right. I restarted SPSS and the simple FIND NEXT started to work fine. For how long I don't know yet. However, FIND NEXT within REPLACE still does not work (OK, I tried it in the same session after a single run of the simple FIND NEXT, but that shouldn't be cause for trouble, should it?). I encountered this problem in some occasions before, but I'm afraid I have not done many searches in syntax files since I installed V.15 (which happened only recently). Thus I do not know whether it is permanent or occasional. I was a V.15 beta tester but do not recall seeing it in the beta version (it could have been there anyway). Hector -----Original Message----- From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gene Maguin Sent: 03 August 2007 11:55 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: Search and replace in V.15 syntax Well, something exciting to look forward to when I get 15 this fall. I'm curious about several things about this because, as others have pointed out, 14 had a different, by maybe related, problem with Find and replace. A problem that did not exist with 13. Hector, was your posting the first instance that you had of this problem, or have you had the problem since you installed 15 and patched it up and just decided to write about this now? If the problem occurred only now and after you had used 15 for quite a while, I wonder if the problem could be corrected by reinstalling 15? With 14 the problem disappeared when spss was closed. Is this true for what you describe also? I'm guessing that a number of people on this list were beta testers for 15 and/or for 16. I wonder if any of the beta testers encountered this problem with 15? Just as important and especially since several people have recently recommended skipping 15 and waiting for 16 (due late this fall, I believe), did any of the 16 beta testers encounter either the problem that 14 had or the problem now described for 15? Gene Maguin |
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