Sobre la dócima de Barttlet
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Hola a todos, soy un nuevo miembro de la Lista y también en el uso del
SPSS. Les escribo porque quiero conocer si con el SPSS Statistics 17.0 -que es la versión que tengo instalada- se puede realizar la prueba o dócima de Barttlet. Atentamente, Rubier Pérez ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- Este mensaje le ha llegado mediante el servicio de correo electronico que ofrece Infomed para respaldar el cumplimiento de las misiones del Sistema Nacional de Salud. La persona que envia este correo asume el compromiso de usar el servicio a tales fines y cumplir con las regulaciones establecidas Infomed: http://www.sld.cu/ ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD |
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In case Spanish is an undecipherable language to you, Rubier says that he has SPSS 17 and wonders if that program can perform Barttlet "docima" tests.
2012/9/14 Rubier Perez <[hidden email]> Hola a todos, soy un nuevo miembro de la Lista y también en el uso del |
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Rubier, usted será más probable conseguir ayuda si usted proporciona una traducción al Inglés. Aquí hay una que conseguí a través de Google Translate.
Here is Google's translation of Rubier's post into English: Hi all, I am a new member of the list and also in the use of SPSS. I write because I want to know if the SPSS Statistics 17.0 -which is the version I have installed, you can perform the test or dócima of Barttlet.
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Que en el infierno es dócima de Barttlet? Referencia por favor? ¿Se puede escribir en Inglés por favor. http://translate.google.com/#es/en/ --
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http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/SPSS/output/principal_components.htm
Bartlett's Test of Sphericity Si te refieres a esta prueba SPSS la hace, esta prueba la hipotesis nula que la matriz de correlaciones es una matriz identidad. En el link de arriba puedes encontrar un ejemplo. 2012/9/14 Rubier Perez <[hidden email]> Hola a todos, soy un nuevo miembro de la Lista y también en el uso del |
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Please read this:
http://home.ubalt.edu/ntsbarsh/Business-stat/otherapplets/BartletTest.htm 2012/9/14 David Marso <[hidden email]> Que en el infierno es dócima de Barttlet? |
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Bartlett's test of Sphericity would likely translate as
Prueba de esfericidad de Bartlett Given that the guy lived to be over 90 I would assume he came up with a few things other than a test of Sphericity. Docima doesn't readily translate hence a request for a reference!! Maurice Stevenson Bartlett FRS[1] (18 June 1910 – 8 January 2002) was an English statistician who made particular contributions to the analysis of data with spatial and temporal patterns. He is also known for his work in the theory of statistical inference and in multivariate analysis.[2][3][4][5]
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Dócima is an extremely archaic Spanish word for "test" (based on Greek word "dokimasia" for assaying minerals) Even when it was used in Statistics, which would be many decades ago, it was used only in Spain (not in Latin America, where most Spanish speakers live). There are some ancient Statistics textbooks, published in Spain around the 1950s, that used that word, which almost nobody understands nowadays.
The fact is that an exact equivalent of "test" does not exist in Spanish, either as noun or verb. "Test" as a noun is ordinarily translated into Spanish as "prueba" these days (or "probar" as verb), but "prueba" and "probar" are also equivalent to "probe" and "proof". There are not exact Spanish equivalents to express the nuanced differences between the English words "test", "trial", "probe", "assay" and "proof/prove" Henry Ford used to say about the color of his cars (all painted black for reasons of economy): "You can have them in any color, as long as it's black". Nowadays this is the way with languages: You can speak any language, as long as it's English. By the way, the answer is Yes. Bartlett Sphericity test is available in SPSS as a matter of course. Hector -----Mensaje original----- De: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre de David Marso Enviado el: Friday, September 14, 2012 19:34 Para: [hidden email] Asunto: Re: Sobre la dócima de Barttlet Que en el infierno es dócima de Barttlet? Referencia por favor? ¿Se puede escribir en Inglés por favor. http://translate.google.com/#es/en/ -- Rubier Perez wrote > > Hola a todos, soy un nuevo miembro de la Lista y también en el uso del > SPSS. Les escribo porque quiero conocer si con el SPSS Statistics 17.0 > -que es la versión que tengo instalada- se puede realizar la prueba o > dócima de Barttlet. > Atentamente, > Rubier Pérez > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > -- > > Este mensaje le ha llegado mediante el servicio de correo electronico > que ofrece Infomed para respaldar el cumplimiento de las misiones del > Sistema Nacional de Salud. La persona que envia este correo asume el > compromiso de usar el servicio a tales fines y cumplir con las > regulaciones establecidas > > Infomed: http://www.sld.cu/ > > ===================== > To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to > LISTSERV@.UGA (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. > To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of > commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD > ----- Please reply to the list and not to my personal email. Those desiring my consulting or training services please feel free to email me. -- View this message in context: http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/Sobre-la-docima-de-Barttlet-tp5715098p5715101.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD |
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...or how statistics morph into linguistics
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Hector Maletta <[hidden email]> wrote: Dócima is an extremely archaic Spanish word for "test" (based on Greek word "dokimasia" for assaying minerals) Even when it was used in Statistics, which would be many decades ago, it was used only in Spain (not in Latin America, where most Spanish speakers live). There are some ancient Statistics textbooks, published in Spain around the 1950s, that used that word, which almost nobody understands nowadays. |
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Desde el índice de la FM (Manual fino).
From the Index of the FM (Fine Manual). BARTLETT (keyword) SPECTRA command, 1963 Bartlett factor scores FACTOR command, 734 Bartlett window SPECTRA command, 1963 Bartlett’s approximation ACF command, 133 Bartlett’s test of sphericity FACTOR command, 729 in MANOVA, 1145
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There is also Bartlett's Test for Homogeneity of Variances in ANOVA
As far as I can tell, the Bartlett test is NOT available in SPSS. The Levene test is generally preferred to the Bartlett test and is available in SPSS as an Option in the ONEWAY command. También hay pruebas de Bartlett de homogeneidad de varianzas en el ANOVA Por lo que yo puedo decir, la prueba de Bartlett no está disponible en SPSS. El test de Levene se prefiere generalmente para la prueba de Bartlett y está disponible en SPSS como una opción en el comando ONEWAY. ... Mark Miller On 2012-09-14 3:58 PM, David Marso
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Bartlett's test of Sphericity would likely translate as Prueba de esfericidad de Bartlett Given that the guy lived to be over 90 I would assume he came up with a few things other than a test of Sphericity. Docima doesn't readily translate hence a request for a reference!! Maurice Stevenson Bartlett FRS[1] (18 June 1910 – 8 January 2002) was an English statistician who made particular contributions to the analysis of data with spatial and temporal patterns. He is also known for his work in the theory of statistical inference and in multivariate analysis.[2][3][4][5] Rafael raudes wrote*http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/SPSS/output/principal_components.htm **Bartlett's Test of Sphericity* *Si te refieres a esta prueba SPSS la hace, esta prueba la hipotesis nula que la matriz de correlaciones es una matriz identidad. En el link de arriba puedes encontrar un ejemplo. *2012/9/14 Rubier Perez <rubier@.sld>Hola a todos, soy un nuevo miembro de la Lista y también en el uso del SPSS. Les escribo porque quiero conocer si con el SPSS Statistics 17.0 -que es la versión que tengo instalada- se puede realizar la prueba o dócima de Barttlet. Atentamente, Rubier Pérez ------------------------------**------------------------------**---- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- Este mensaje le ha llegado mediante el servicio de correo electronico que ofrece Infomed para respaldar el cumplimiento de las misiones del Sistema Nacional de Salud. La persona que envia este correo asume el compromiso de usar el servicio a tales fines y cumplir con las regulaciones establecidas Infomed: http://www.sld.cu/ ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD----- Please reply to the list and not to my personal email. Those desiring my consulting or training services please feel free to email me. -- View this message in context: http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/Sobre-la-docima-de-Barttlet-tp5715098p5715105.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD |
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Seems that the word "dócima" is alive and kicking ...
An example from the Scientific Electronic Library Online (SciELO), http://scielo.sld.cu/scielo.php?pid=S2071-00542012000100011&script=sci_artte xt It refers to the "dócima de Bartlett" as Mark Miller points out, ----------------- La palabra "dócima" está vivita y coleando ... Un ejemplo reciente de SciELO, también referencias médicas de salud, Se refieren a la "dócima de Bartlett" como menciona Mark Miller, ------------------ Saludos a los hermanos cubanos, sus médicos han sido muy valiosos en Guatemala, Fernando Mazariegos Director Mapelligent / Facultare » GfK Geomarketing Partners Torre Citibank, 8o Nivel Santa Clara, zona 10, Guatemala 01010 Planta: 502-6632-8757 Directo / Fax: 502-6632-8755 Móvil: 502-5516-4422 E-mail: [hidden email] -----Mensaje original----- De: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre de Hector Maletta Enviado el: Viernes, 14 de Septiembre de 2012 05:10 p.m. Para: [hidden email] Asunto: RE: Sobre la dócima de Barttlet Dócima is an extremely archaic Spanish word for "test" (based on Greek word "dokimasia" for assaying minerals) Even when it was used in Statistics, which would be many decades ago, it was used only in Spain (not in Latin America, where most Spanish speakers live). There are some ancient Statistics textbooks, published in Spain around the 1950s, that used that word, which almost nobody understands nowadays. The fact is that an exact equivalent of "test" does not exist in Spanish, either as noun or verb. "Test" as a noun is ordinarily translated into Spanish as "prueba" these days (or "probar" as verb), but "prueba" and "probar" are also equivalent to "probe" and "proof". There are not exact Spanish equivalents to express the nuanced differences between the English words "test", "trial", "probe", "assay" and "proof/prove" Henry Ford used to say about the color of his cars (all painted black for reasons of economy): "You can have them in any color, as long as it's black". Nowadays this is the way with languages: You can speak any language, as long as it's English. By the way, the answer is Yes. Bartlett Sphericity test is available in SPSS as a matter of course. Hector -----Mensaje original----- De: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre de David Marso Enviado el: Friday, September 14, 2012 19:34 Para: [hidden email] Asunto: Re: Sobre la dócima de Barttlet Que en el infierno es dócima de Barttlet? Referencia por favor? ¿Se puede escribir en Inglés por favor. http://translate.google.com/#es/en/ -- Rubier Perez wrote > > Hola a todos, soy un nuevo miembro de la Lista y también en el uso del > SPSS. Les escribo porque quiero conocer si con el SPSS Statistics 17.0 > -que es la versión que tengo instalada- se puede realizar la prueba o > dócima de Barttlet. > Atentamente, > Rubier Pérez > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > -- > > Este mensaje le ha llegado mediante el servicio de correo electronico > que ofrece Infomed para respaldar el cumplimiento de las misiones del > Sistema Nacional de Salud. La persona que envia este correo asume el > compromiso de usar el servicio a tales fines y cumplir con las > regulaciones establecidas > > Infomed: http://www.sld.cu/ > > ===================== > To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to > LISTSERV@.UGA (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. > To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of > commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD > ----- Please reply to the list and not to my personal email. Those desiring my consulting or training services please feel free to email me. -- View this message in context: http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/Sobre-la-docima-de-Barttlet-tp 5715098p5715101.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD |
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