Version 15 on current Laptops

[Stan Gorodenski]

Greetings,
I am retired now but started using SPSS in the early 1980's. I have
version 15 that I use for astronomy. It was on a 2007 vintage Gateway
Laptop that had the Duo Centrino processor, i.e., the Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor. The operating system was Windows XP Pro. About four months
ago the laptop would no longer work, and so I obtained a used 2007
vintage HP laptop, a Compaq 8510p. It is also a duo processor and also
has Windows XP Pro. However, I am having troubles with it. I now want to
get a new laptop with faster processing, but wonder if version 15 of
SPSS will run with the current computer processors, the i5's and i7's.
For sure, I will stay away from Windows 8. New laptops are still
available with Windows 7. If version 15 does not work on Windows7 I will
install Windows XP Pro.

With regard to the i5 processors, most of them are duo, and the i7
processors are usually quad. Does anyone know if version 15 will run
with a quad i7 processor? I am not demanding that I get the peak
performance one would expect from an i7 processor, only that it at least
equals the speed of the program when it was on my Gateway and HP
laptops. If version 15 does not work with a quad i7, will it work with
the i5 duo processor?

I know getting a license code to run an old version that is not
maintained may be a problem, but that is another issue.
Sincerely,
Stan

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[Jon K Peck]

You should not see any hardware problems running SPSS 15 on newer processors, although, IIRC, V15 did not take advantage of multiple processors.


Jon Peck (no "h") aka Kim
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From:        Stan Gorodenski <[hidden email]>
To:        [hidden email],
Date:        02/01/2013 11:10 PM
Subject:        [SPSSX-L] Version 15 on current Laptops
Sent by:        "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <[hidden email]>

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Greetings,
I am retired now but started using SPSS in the early 1980's. I have
version 15 that I use for astronomy. It was on a 2007 vintage Gateway
Laptop that had the Duo Centrino processor, i.e., the Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor. The operating system was Windows XP Pro. About four months
ago the laptop would no longer work, and so I obtained a used 2007
vintage HP laptop, a Compaq 8510p. It is also a duo processor and also
has Windows XP Pro. However, I am having troubles with it. I now want to
get a new laptop with faster processing, but wonder if version 15 of
SPSS will run with the current computer processors, the i5's and i7's.
For sure, I will stay away from Windows 8. New laptops are still
available with Windows 7. If version 15 does not work on Windows7 I will
install Windows XP Pro.

With regard to the i5 processors, most of them are duo, and the i7
processors are usually quad. Does anyone know if version 15 will run
with a quad i7 processor? I am not demanding that I get the peak
performance one would expect from an i7 processor, only that it at least
equals the speed of the program when it was on my Gateway and HP
laptops. If version 15 does not work with a quad i7, will it work with
the i5 duo processor?

I know getting a license code to run an old version that is not
maintained may be a problem, but that is another issue.
Sincerely,
Stan

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[Stan Gorodenski]

Thank you Jon.
Stan

On 2/2/2013 8:14 AM, Jon K Peck wrote:

> You should not see any hardware problems running SPSS 15 on newer
> processors, although, IIRC, V15 did not take advantage of multiple
> processors.
>
>
> Jon Peck (no "h") aka Kim
> Senior Software Engineer, IBM
> [hidden email]
> new phone: [phone]
>
>
>
>
> From: Stan Gorodenski <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email],
> Date: 02/01/2013 11:10 PM
> Subject: [SPSSX-L] Version 15 on current Laptops
> Sent by: "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <[hidden email]>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Greetings,
> I am retired now but started using SPSS in the early 1980's. I have
> version 15 that I use for astronomy. It was on a 2007 vintage Gateway
> Laptop that had the Duo Centrino processor, i.e., the Intel Core 2 Duo
> Processor. The operating system was Windows XP Pro. About four months
> ago the laptop would no longer work, and so I obtained a used 2007
> vintage HP laptop, a Compaq 8510p. It is also a duo processor and also
> has Windows XP Pro. However, I am having troubles with it. I now want to
> get a new laptop with faster processing, but wonder if version 15 of
> SPSS will run with the current computer processors, the i5's and i7's.
> For sure, I will stay away from Windows 8. New laptops are still
> available with Windows 7. If version 15 does not work on Windows7 I will
> install Windows XP Pro.
>
> With regard to the i5 processors, most of them are duo, and the i7
> processors are usually quad. Does anyone know if version 15 will run
> with a quad i7 processor? I am not demanding that I get the peak
> performance one would expect from an i7 processor, only that it at least
> equals the speed of the program when it was on my Gateway and HP
> laptops. If version 15 does not work with a quad i7, will it work with
> the i5 duo processor?
>
> I know getting a license code to run an old version that is not
> maintained may be a problem, but that is another issue.
> Sincerely,
> Stan
>
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[John F Hall]

I also have 15: totally unusable without a a licence code since 15 is no
longer supported.

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Stan Gorodenski
Sent: 02 February 2013 17:18
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Version 15 on current Laptops

Thank you Jon.
Stan

On 2/2/2013 8:14 AM, Jon K Peck wrote:

> You should not see any hardware problems running SPSS 15 on newer
> processors, although, IIRC, V15 did not take advantage of multiple
> processors.
>
>
> Jon Peck (no "h") aka Kim
> Senior Software Engineer, IBM
> [hidden email]
> new phone: [phone]
>
>
>
>
> From: Stan Gorodenski <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email],
> Date: 02/01/2013 11:10 PM
> Subject: [SPSSX-L] Version 15 on current Laptops Sent by: "SPSSX(r)
> Discussion" <[hidden email]>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
>
>
> Greetings,
> I am retired now but started using SPSS in the early 1980's. I have
> version 15 that I use for astronomy. It was on a 2007 vintage Gateway
> Laptop that had the Duo Centrino processor, i.e., the Intel Core 2 Duo
> Processor. The operating system was Windows XP Pro. About four months
> ago the laptop would no longer work, and so I obtained a used 2007
> vintage HP laptop, a Compaq 8510p. It is also a duo processor and also
> has Windows XP Pro. However, I am having troubles with it. I now want
> to get a new laptop with faster processing, but wonder if version 15
> of SPSS will run with the current computer processors, the i5's and i7's.
> For sure, I will stay away from Windows 8. New laptops are still
> available with Windows 7. If version 15 does not work on Windows7 I
> will install Windows XP Pro.
>
> With regard to the i5 processors, most of them are duo, and the i7
> processors are usually quad. Does anyone know if version 15 will run
> with a quad i7 processor? I am not demanding that I get the peak
> performance one would expect from an i7 processor, only that it at
> least equals the speed of the program when it was on my Gateway and HP
> laptops. If version 15 does not work with a quad i7, will it work with
> the i5 duo processor?
>
> I know getting a license code to run an old version that is not
> maintained may be a problem, but that is another issue.
> Sincerely,
> Stan
>
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[Robert Jones]

I also have v15 as well as V19, for which I have a current licence, which would allow me to continue to use v15 as well, provided it was on the same computer.  However, for V19, I needed a more powerful computer and was given one without a parallel port for the dongle, so was able to continue to use V15 for a few months until the licence expired for the year, but was then unable to get IBM to provide a licence for me to run V15 on one computer and V19 on the other for the price of one licence.  Data entry and editing are much faster on V15, but I want V19 for the more up-to-date features.

[Robert Jones]

Stan wrote

"Thanks, Robert. Was it ver 18 that had problems? I know that people who use it a lot in their work environment have discovered things like this as new versions come out. I forgot to mention in my original message that when I was using SPSS on the job it was on a mainframe.
Stan"

Sorry about the delay Stan, my home internet has been playing up and my work access to this site is currently blocked.  In any case, it is preferable to conduct this in the group, so we can all learn, if possible.

To answer your question, I think it was v16 that started with these problems, it was a pretty buggy release as I remember, so I started again with v17 after v15.  It does seem that the versions have got slower and slower since v15, even though new and improved features come out.  I am using SPSS on Windows XP and have had one or two new computers to keep up with the newer versions.  I would be using version 21, except that IBM haven't supplied the software paid for by the relicencing for some reason.  My experience from v11 onwards is that the even numbered versions seem to be pretty buggy while odd ones seem OK.
Robert

[Barnett, Adrian (DECD)]

Hi Robert
Apropos the non-delivery of V21, what we discovered was that IBM no longer automatically send you a disk with the software. You have to log on to their God-awful website (having registered yourself first) and then download the whole lot.  They didn't tell us about this change of practice till we got in touch with them (having first fought our way through the many discouraging obstacles to finding anything out. That website looks like it was designed by someone with Asperger's!).

When we finally found someone who knew what was going on, they told us - "Yeah, we don't do that any more. You download the software yourself. We CAN send you a disk if you want but it will cost you $100 or so".

"Thanks for keeping us in the loop", we thought!

You then have the joys of trying to find which bits a relevant to you (no picnic!) and burning up a gigabyte or so of download. Hope you don't have any policies about not downloading huge files at your place of employment.

Good luck

Regards,

Adrian


Adrian Barnett
Project Officer
Educational Measurement and Analysis
Data and Information Systems
Department for Education and Child Development

"Children and young people are at the centre of everything we do"

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Robert Jones
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013 8:02 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Version 15 on current Laptops

Stan wrote

"Thanks, Robert. Was it ver 18 that had problems? I know that people who use it a lot in their work environment have discovered things like this as new versions come out. I forgot to mention in my original message that when I was using SPSS on the job it was on a mainframe.
Stan"

Sorry about the delay Stan, my home internet has been playing up and my work access to this site is currently blocked.  In any case, it is preferable to conduct this in the group, so we can all learn, if possible.

To answer your question, I think it was v16 that started with these problems, it was a pretty buggy release as I remember, so I started again with v17 after v15.  It does seem that the versions have got slower and slower since v15, even though new and improved features come out.  I am using SPSS on Windows XP and have had one or two new computers to keep up with the newer versions.  I would be using version 21, except that IBM haven't supplied the software paid for by the relicencing for some reason.
My experience from v11 onwards is that the even numbered versions seem to be pretty buggy while odd ones seem OK.
Robert




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[Barnett, Adrian (DECD)]

Hi Thara

This is the info IBM sent me:

 

Should you need to contact us again for licensing assistance or technical support, please raise a new service request. IBM recommends the use of the online Service Request (SR) Tool for customers to contact support - http://www-01.ibm.com/support/electronicsupport/overview.html. The advantages of the SR tool is that once you are set up, all your details, such as your IBM customer number, email address and contact phone number need not be re-entered.

• First time user? Get access here: http://www-01.ibm.com/software/support/servicerequest/quick_start.html
• To open a service request, navigate to: https://www-947.ibm.com/support/entry/portal/Open_service_request
• Instructions on how to use the online SR Tool : http://www.youtube.com/user/IBMElectronicSupport

Note: If they start talking to you about ‘PMR’s, and you wonder what on earth they mean, it’s basically a ‘service request’.

 

Signing up for IBM Passport Advantage is supposed to get you automatic notifications of additions to the software available for download. That may help in future.

 

We had a problem with our nominated person (person at our end who administers who of the rest of us can have access to the customer area on the website) lose the ability to do key things, and that took some back-and-forth to get fixed. It really should not be this hard. I found that if you can eventually get to talk to an actual person, they are professional and genuinely try to hep. The problem is getting past the wall of confusing and unhelpful stuff their website puts between you and the people who can help.

 

I was given a phone number in Sydney through which you can log service requests, but was told it would only work till the end of 2012, so I’m sorry I can’t give you anything to shortcut the process.

 

Best of luck :-/

 

Regards,

 

Adrian

 

 

Adrian Barnett

Project Officer

Educational Measurement and Analysis

Data and Information Systems

Department for Education and Child Development

 

“Children and young people are at the centre of everything we do”

 

From: Thara Vardhan [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013 10:33 AM
To: [hidden email]
Cc: Barnett, Adrian (DECD)
Subject: Re: SPSS V21.0 Software Access - reply to Adrian's observations

 

Hi Adrian

Thanks for raising this very important issue about accessing the SPSS V. 21.0 on IBM website. You will not believe it,. We are facing the exact situation described by you .

 We have been waiting since November 2012 for IBM/SPSS to help me with my registration problem. We registered (our log in) on the IBM/SPSS website as per their instructions.  However it is not recognising us as registered users. Someone at IBM, called Passport Advantage (based in Singapore) can only deal with this issue I heard. They have not helped us so far.

The amazing fact is that SPSS Support team at Sydney Australia can see us as registered users on the system. The support team claims that they have no control over access and only Passport advantage can solve the situation. The support team has the relevant license codes to help us along with the upgrade.

Finally I got vexed up and called the sales representative at Sydney to send me a Disk version. They say that it will cost us an additional amount.  I have informed the Rep that it is not our problem and we will not be able to pay the additional amount.

Mind you at my agency I am totally dependent on the IT folks to down load or install any software.

Can you give me the contact person details please? You are absolutely right about their  website too.

Many thanks
Thara Vardhan
   



From:        "Barnett, Adrian (DECD)" <[hidden email]>
To:        [hidden email]
Date:        07/02/2013 10:32
Subject:        Re: Version 15 on current Laptops
Sent by:        "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <[hidden email]>

---

Hi Robert
Apropos the non-delivery of V21, what we discovered was that IBM no longer automatically send you a disk with the software. You have to log on to their God-awful website (having registered yourself first) and then download the whole lot.  They didn't tell us about this change of practice till we got in touch with them (having first fought our way through the many discouraging obstacles to finding anything out. That website looks like it was designed by someone with Asperger's!).

When we finally found someone who knew what was going on, they told us - "Yeah, we don't do that any more. You download the software yourself. We CAN send you a disk if you want but it will cost you $100 or so".

"Thanks for keeping us in the loop", we thought!

You then have the joys of trying to find which bits a relevant to you (no picnic!) and burning up a gigabyte or so of download. Hope you don't have any policies about not downloading huge files at your place of employment.

Good luck

Regards,

Adrian


Adrian Barnett
Project Officer
Educational Measurement and Analysis
Data and Information Systems
Department for Education and Child Development

"Children and young people are at the centre of everything we do"

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Robert Jones
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013 8:02 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Version 15 on current Laptops

Stan wrote

"Thanks, Robert. Was it ver 18 that had problems? I know that people who use it a lot in their work environment have discovered things like this as new versions come out. I forgot to mention in my original message that when I was using SPSS on the job it was on a mainframe.
Stan"

Sorry about the delay Stan, my home internet has been playing up and my work access to this site is currently blocked.  In any case, it is preferable to conduct this in the group, so we can all learn, if possible.

To answer your question, I think it was v16 that started with these problems, it was a pretty buggy release as I remember, so I started again with v17 after v15.  It does seem that the versions have got slower and slower since v15, even though new and improved features come out.  I am using SPSS on Windows XP and have had one or two new computers to keep up with the newer versions.  I would be using version 21, except that IBM haven't supplied the software paid for by the relicencing for some reason.
My experience from v11 onwards is that the even numbered versions seem to be pretty buggy while odd ones seem OK.
Robert




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[Stan Gorodenski]

Adrian,
It bothers me when I read about IBM's mishandling of SPSS. I suppose I
will have to start thinking about learning other software packages, but I
really like using SPSS since I have been using it so long. SAS could be a
possibility, but it is way too expensive and is only on a yearly lease. I
think the only reason they are still around is because early on they got a
foothold in the large institutions and businesses. I still have SPSS ver
10 that does not need a license code, but the graphics are pretty poor and
if I remember correctly the variables names can only be 8 characters long,
or somewhere around there. It would not be fun going back to it after
using version 15.
Stan

> Hi Robert
> Apropos the non-delivery of V21, what we discovered was that IBM no longer
> automatically send you a disk with the software. You have to log on to
> their God-awful website (having registered yourself first) and then
> download the whole lot.  They didn't tell us about this change of practice
> till we got in touch with them (having first fought our way through the
> many discouraging obstacles to finding anything out. That website looks
> like it was designed by someone with Asperger's!).
>
> When we finally found someone who knew what was going on, they told us -
> "Yeah, we don't do that any more. You download the software yourself. We
> CAN send you a disk if you want but it will cost you $100 or so".
>
> "Thanks for keeping us in the loop", we thought!
>
> You then have the joys of trying to find which bits a relevant to you (no
> picnic!) and burning up a gigabyte or so of download. Hope you don't have
> any policies about not downloading huge files at your place of employment.
>
> Good luck
>
> Regards,
>
> Adrian
>
>
> Adrian Barnett
> Project Officer
> Educational Measurement and Analysis
> Data and Information Systems
> Department for Education and Child Development
>
> "Children and young people are at the centre of everything we do"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Robert Jones
> Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013 8:02 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: Version 15 on current Laptops
>
> Stan wrote
>
> "Thanks, Robert. Was it ver 18 that had problems? I know that people who
> use it a lot in their work environment have discovered things like this as
> new versions come out. I forgot to mention in my original message that
> when I was using SPSS on the job it was on a mainframe.
> Stan"
>
> Sorry about the delay Stan, my home internet has been playing up and my
> work access to this site is currently blocked.  In any case, it is
> preferable to conduct this in the group, so we can all learn, if possible.
>
> To answer your question, I think it was v16 that started with these
> problems, it was a pretty buggy release as I remember, so I started again
> with v17 after v15.  It does seem that the versions have got slower and
> slower since v15, even though new and improved features come out.  I am
> using SPSS on Windows XP and have had one or two new computers to keep up
> with the newer versions.  I would be using version 21, except that IBM
> haven't supplied the software paid for by the relicencing for some reason.
> My experience from v11 onwards is that the even numbered versions seem to
> be pretty buggy while odd ones seem OK.
> Robert
>
>
>
>
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> http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/Version-15-on-current-Laptops-tp5717881p5717935.html
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[David Marso]

"That website looks like it was designed by someone with Asperger's!). "

HARDLY!!!  Peeps with Asperger's tend to have a relatively high cognitive/linguistic development.
IMNSHO:  I would say the site was designed by a committee with an advanced RCI .

$100 for a disk?  At the prices they charge for a license that is a crime!  
I guess I will need to be sure to create multiple backups of the download just in case.  
Great, perpetual ~$2300 license / computer crashes 2-3 years up.  
SCREWED? More than likely unless you have an alternative media to reinstall from.

Barnett, Adrian (DECS)-2 wrote

Hi Robert
Apropos the non-delivery of V21, what we discovered was that IBM no longer automatically send you a disk with the software. You have to log on to their God-awful website (having registered yourself first) and then download the whole lot.  They didn't tell us about this change of practice till we got in touch with them (having first fought our way through the many discouraging obstacles to finding anything out. That website looks like it was designed by someone with Asperger's!).

When we finally found someone who knew what was going on, they told us - "Yeah, we don't do that any more. You download the software yourself. We CAN send you a disk if you want but it will cost you $100 or so".

"Thanks for keeping us in the loop", we thought!

You then have the joys of trying to find which bits a relevant to you (no picnic!) and burning up a gigabyte or so of download. Hope you don't have any policies about not downloading huge files at your place of employment.

Good luck

Regards,

Adrian


Adrian Barnett
Project Officer
Educational Measurement and Analysis
Data and Information Systems
Department for Education and Child Development

"Children and young people are at the centre of everything we do"

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Robert Jones
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013 8:02 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Version 15 on current Laptops

Stan wrote

"Thanks, Robert. Was it ver 18 that had problems? I know that people who use it a lot in their work environment have discovered things like this as new versions come out. I forgot to mention in my original message that when I was using SPSS on the job it was on a mainframe.
Stan"

Sorry about the delay Stan, my home internet has been playing up and my work access to this site is currently blocked.  In any case, it is preferable to conduct this in the group, so we can all learn, if possible.

To answer your question, I think it was v16 that started with these problems, it was a pretty buggy release as I remember, so I started again with v17 after v15.  It does seem that the versions have got slower and slower since v15, even though new and improved features come out.  I am using SPSS on Windows XP and have had one or two new computers to keep up with the newer versions.  I would be using version 21, except that IBM haven't supplied the software paid for by the relicencing for some reason.
My experience from v11 onwards is that the even numbered versions seem to be pretty buggy while odd ones seem OK.
Robert




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[Barnett, Adrian (DECD)]

Hi Stan
Colleagues of mine who deal with other of IBM's software products (some of which are vastly more expensive than SPSS) tell me the experience is just as bad - they are not singling out SPSS. They simply have no idea how to do things in ways that don't alienate customers. The former SPSS company was vastly better at this stuff.

I too like SPSS and would not happily give it up. I do have to grit my teeth and consider what the alternatives might be like. For some reason it reminds me of Chuck Colson's infamously coarse quip that ended with "... their hearts and minds will follow". ;-) I think the inertia you refer to regarding SAS probably operates with SPSS too, although I suspect they are starting to lose their traditional university customers, who seem to be shifting to stuff like Stata and R.

If you are seriously considering alternatives, you might also  look at Stata - way cheaper than either SPSS or SAS. You own it outright so no annual fees.  Performance is vastly better (sorting speed is phenomenal - the same file sorted 10X faster on my old clunker. Supposedly SPSS uses the Quiksort algorithm, but to me it performs more like a bubble sort - and shows no sign of making use of multi-core chips). They have optimised all their routines for multi-core chips (something that I can see no evidence of in SPSS), updates happen automatically every time you start up (no navigating ghastly, Byzantine websites) and you get lots of good printed documentation. (I noted with some chagrin that where once everything was in the SPSS manuals, some years ago they pulled out lots of explanatory stuff and examples from the statistical procedures sections and put them into separate manuals you have to pay for.  What you get is basically a terse syntax reference. Not their finest ach!
 ievement. When you are paying through the nose for something, all the documentation should be part of it, not an extra expense)


Regards,

Adrian


Adrian Barnett
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Department for Education and Child Development

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-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stanley Gorodenski
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013 1:36 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Version 15 on current Laptops

Adrian,
It bothers me when I read about IBM's mishandling of SPSS. I suppose I will have to start thinking about learning other software packages, but I really like using SPSS since I have been using it so long. SAS could be a possibility, but it is way too expensive and is only on a yearly lease. I think the only reason they are still around is because early on they got a foothold in the large institutions and businesses. I still have SPSS ver
10 that does not need a license code, but the graphics are pretty poor and if I remember correctly the variables names can only be 8 characters long, or somewhere around there. It would not be fun going back to it after using version 15.
Stan

> Hi Robert
> Apropos the non-delivery of V21, what we discovered was that IBM no
> longer automatically send you a disk with the software. You have to
> log on to their God-awful website (having registered yourself first)
> and then download the whole lot.  They didn't tell us about this
> change of practice till we got in touch with them (having first fought
> our way through the many discouraging obstacles to finding anything
> out. That website looks like it was designed by someone with Asperger's!).
>
> When we finally found someone who knew what was going on, they told us
> - "Yeah, we don't do that any more. You download the software
> yourself. We CAN send you a disk if you want but it will cost you $100 or so".
>
> "Thanks for keeping us in the loop", we thought!
>
> You then have the joys of trying to find which bits a relevant to you
> (no
> picnic!) and burning up a gigabyte or so of download. Hope you don't
> have any policies about not downloading huge files at your place of employment.
>
> Good luck
>
> Regards,
>
> Adrian
>
>
> Adrian Barnett
> Project Officer
> Educational Measurement and Analysis
> Data and Information Systems
> Department for Education and Child Development
>
> "Children and young people are at the centre of everything we do"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
> Of Robert Jones
> Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013 8:02 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: Version 15 on current Laptops
>
> Stan wrote
>
> "Thanks, Robert. Was it ver 18 that had problems? I know that people
> who use it a lot in their work environment have discovered things like
> this as new versions come out. I forgot to mention in my original
> message that when I was using SPSS on the job it was on a mainframe.
> Stan"
>
> Sorry about the delay Stan, my home internet has been playing up and
> my work access to this site is currently blocked.  In any case, it is
> preferable to conduct this in the group, so we can all learn, if possible.
>
> To answer your question, I think it was v16 that started with these
> problems, it was a pretty buggy release as I remember, so I started
> again with v17 after v15.  It does seem that the versions have got
> slower and slower since v15, even though new and improved features
> come out.  I am using SPSS on Windows XP and have had one or two new
> computers to keep up with the newer versions.  I would be using
> version 21, except that IBM haven't supplied the software paid for by the relicencing for some reason.
> My experience from v11 onwards is that the even numbered versions seem
> to be pretty buggy while odd ones seem OK.
> Robert
>
>
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[Robert Jones]

Thanks very much Adrian, I shall pursue that approach, though with trepidation bearing in mind yours and several other peoples reservations.
Robert

[Alex Reutter]

Hi Adrian,

There are examples in the online help; for example, go to http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/spssstat/v21r0m0/index.jsp and look under "Case Studies" in the table of contents on the left.  These "Case Studies" are also part of the help that is installed with the product.

Alex


Adrian Barnett wrote:
(I noted with some chagrin that where once everything was in the SPSS manuals, some years ago they pulled out lots of explanatory stuff and examples from the statistical procedures sections and put them into separate manuals you have to pay for.  What you get is basically a terse syntax reference. Not their finest achievement. When you are paying through the nose for something, all the documentation should be part of it, not an extra expense)

[Rick Oliver-3]

As fa as I know, there is no documentation with current releases of the product that requires an additional fee. There are no longer any printed manuals, and all the documentation is available from the link Alex posted, including manuals in PDF form. As noted, these are also shipped with the product. In general, the help system has more information than the PDF manuals. If the specific case of syntax reference material in release 15, the complete Command Syntax Reference in PDF form should be available from the Help menu, if my memory is correct.

Rick Oliver
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From:        Alex Reutter/Burlington/IBM@IBMUS
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Date:        02/11/2013 12:02 PM
Subject:        Re: Version 15 on current Laptops
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Hi Adrian,

There are examples in the online help; for example, go to http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/spssstat/v21r0m0/index.jsp and look under "Case Studies" in the table of contents on the left.  These "Case Studies" are also part of the help that is installed with the product.

Alex


Adrian Barnett wrote:
(I noted with some chagrin that where once everything was in the SPSS manuals, some years ago they pulled out lots of explanatory stuff and examples from the statistical procedures sections and put them into separate manuals you have to pay for.  What you get is basically a terse syntax reference. Not their finest achievement. When you are paying through the nose for something, all the documentation should be part of it, not an extra expense)

[Hong A Ng]

Hi all,

I have a very long an manual chore ahead of me unless I can find an easier approach to this.

I have many variables that are currently showing missing (.) that I need transformed into 0's instead. Besides doing this manually; how else can I get this done?

I thought of doing it with IF statements but then I would be repeating the below maybe several hundred times (there are a lot of variables that need replacing).

The code would look like this I'd imagine:

if (n15_1_5 is missing )  then n15_1_5=0 if (n15_2_5 is missing )  then n15_2_5=0 if (n15_3_5 is missing )  then n15_3_5=0 ...

I also thought about doing this in excel using the 'Replace' but I honestly don't want to do any merging that might jeopardize moving the data around and potentially making an error that way.

Anyone have a good idea on how to approach this in SPSS?

Merci!

[Peter Spangler]

Why not simply Transform, Recode into Same Variables, Select all variables at once, Old and New Values, System Missing --> "0" 

On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Hong A Ng <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi all,

I have a very long an manual chore ahead of me unless I can find an easier approach to this.

I have many variables that are currently showing missing (.) that I need transformed into 0's instead. Besides doing this manually; how else can I get this done?

I thought of doing it with IF statements but then I would be repeating the below maybe several hundred times (there are a lot of variables that need replacing).

The code would look like this I'd imagine:

if (n15_1_5 is missing )  then n15_1_5=0 if (n15_2_5 is missing )  then n15_2_5=0 if (n15_3_5 is missing )  then n15_3_5=0 ...

I also thought about doing this in excel using the 'Replace' but I honestly don't want to do any merging that might jeopardize moving the data around and potentially making an error that way.

Anyone have a good idea on how to approach this in SPSS?

Merci!

[J. R. Carroll]

I dont have SPSS open in front of me, but you should be able to google just as well and find information on:

Replace SPSS sysmis values.

a.k.a there are context menus (you don't /have/ to do it via syntax).  I think it's "Transform -> Recode into same/different variable" and then from there you can tell it "If sysmis" then replace with "0's".

Be warned, replacing with 0's can be a bit misleading as in some cases (a lot of cases in fact) 0's are legit values (SPSS will treat them as sysmissing, so you don't have to worry about that, but I'd recommend picking a value that is OBVIOUSLY not possible anywhere in your dataset - aka -99999 or 999 - if "0" is that magic number for you, then ignore the suggestion outside the warning).

A quick search brought up this (which has pretty pictures):

http://www.theanalysisfactor.com/recoding-variables-spss/  

-J

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On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Hong A Ng <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi all,

I have a very long an manual chore ahead of me unless I can find an easier approach to this.

I have many variables that are currently showing missing (.) that I need transformed into 0's instead. Besides doing this manually; how else can I get this done?

I thought of doing it with IF statements but then I would be repeating the below maybe several hundred times (there are a lot of variables that need replacing).

The code would look like this I'd imagine:

if (n15_1_5 is missing )  then n15_1_5=0 if (n15_2_5 is missing )  then n15_2_5=0 if (n15_3_5 is missing )  then n15_3_5=0 ...

I also thought about doing this in excel using the 'Replace' but I honestly don't want to do any merging that might jeopardize moving the data around and potentially making an error that way.

Anyone have a good idea on how to approach this in SPSS?

Merci!

[Hong A Ng]

Hi J.R. and Peter,

Thank you so much for your speedy response! This worked beautifully. I didn't realize that you could recode so many variables at once ( I tried selecting multiple ones in the transform module and it didn't work so I assumed it was true for every other module). Thank you both so much! This really saved me a lot of time :)

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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:43:29 -0800
Subject: Re: Replacing numerous variables that have 'missing values' with 0? Can this be done with IF statements?
From: [hidden email]
To: [hidden email]
CC: [hidden email]

Why not simply Transform, Recode into Same Variables, Select all variables at once, Old and New Values, System Missing --> "0" 

On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Hong A Ng <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi all,

I have a very long an manual chore ahead of me unless I can find an easier approach to this.

I have many variables that are currently showing missing (.) that I need transformed into 0's instead. Besides doing this manually; how else can I get this done?

I thought of doing it with IF statements but then I would be repeating the below maybe several hundred times (there are a lot of variables that need replacing).

The code would look like this I'd imagine:

if (n15_1_5 is missing )  then n15_1_5=0 if (n15_2_5 is missing )  then n15_2_5=0 if (n15_3_5 is missing )  then n15_3_5=0 ...

I also thought about doing this in excel using the 'Replace' but I honestly don't want to do any merging that might jeopardize moving the data around and potentially making an error that way.

Anyone have a good idea on how to approach this in SPSS?

Merci!

[Peter Spangler]

Absolutely! As a new list serve member I am happy to see such an active group.

Peter

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 11, 2013, at 12:02 PM, Hong A Ng <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi J.R. and Peter,

Thank you so much for your speedy response! This worked beautifully. I didn't realize that you could recode so many variables at once ( I tried selecting multiple ones in the transform module and it didn't work so I assumed it was true for every other module). Thank you both so much! This really saved me a lot of time :)

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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:43:29 -0800
Subject: Re: Replacing numerous variables that have 'missing values' with 0? Can this be done with IF statements?
From: [hidden email]
To: [hidden email]
CC: [hidden email]

Why not simply Transform, Recode into Same Variables, Select all variables at once, Old and New Values, System Missing --> "0" 

On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Hong A Ng <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi all,

I have a very long an manual chore ahead of me unless I can find an easier approach to this.

I have many variables that are currently showing missing (.) that I need transformed into 0's instead. Besides doing this manually; how else can I get this done?

I thought of doing it with IF statements but then I would be repeating the below maybe several hundred times (there are a lot of variables that need replacing).

The code would look like this I'd imagine:

if (n15_1_5 is missing )  then n15_1_5=0 if (n15_2_5 is missing )  then n15_2_5=0 if (n15_3_5 is missing )  then n15_3_5=0 ...

I also thought about doing this in excel using the 'Replace' but I honestly don't want to do any merging that might jeopardize moving the data around and potentially making an error that way.

Anyone have a good idea on how to approach this in SPSS?

Merci!

[Javier Figueroa]

Hola!

I leave this link for your help, this more understandable.

Greetings.

http://books.google.com.gt/books?id=K2zLIERd-mUC&pg=PA151&lpg=PA151&dq=recodificar+en+spss&source=bl&ots=VgmZYavs1_&sig=cXBfSjeMMEh3UC68kZvgd9U2o7s&hl=es&sa=X&ei=h3UZUeiIPJSc9QSm9oGIAw&ved=0CCwQ6AEwADgU#v=onepage&q=recodificar%20en%20spss&f=false

2013/2/11 Peter Spangler <[hidden email]>

Absolutely! As a new list serve member I am happy to see such an active group.

Peter

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 11, 2013, at 12:02 PM, Hong A Ng <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi J.R. and Peter,

Thank you so much for your speedy response! This worked beautifully. I didn't realize that you could recode so many variables at once ( I tried selecting multiple ones in the transform module and it didn't work so I assumed it was true for every other module). Thank you both so much! This really saved me a lot of time :)

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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:43:29 -0800
Subject: Re: Replacing numerous variables that have 'missing values' with 0? Can this be done with IF statements?
From: [hidden email]
To: [hidden email]
CC: [hidden email]

Why not simply Transform, Recode into Same Variables, Select all variables at once, Old and New Values, System Missing --> "0" 

On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Hong A Ng <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi all,

I have a very long an manual chore ahead of me unless I can find an easier approach to this.

I have many variables that are currently showing missing (.) that I need transformed into 0's instead. Besides doing this manually; how else can I get this done?

I thought of doing it with IF statements but then I would be repeating the below maybe several hundred times (there are a lot of variables that need replacing).

The code would look like this I'd imagine:

if (n15_1_5 is missing )  then n15_1_5=0 if (n15_2_5 is missing )  then n15_2_5=0 if (n15_3_5 is missing )  then n15_3_5=0 ...

I also thought about doing this in excel using the 'Replace' but I honestly don't want to do any merging that might jeopardize moving the data around and potentially making an error that way.

Anyone have a good idea on how to approach this in SPSS?

Merci!

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Procesamiento y Análisis de bases de datos