Would posters feel OK about using shorter subject headings that can be easier to read, sort and understand?

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Would posters feel OK about using shorter subject headings that can be easier to read, sort and understand?

Richard Ristow
I don't know how others' mail clients handle long subject lines; this
may be a minority problem. I'm using Eudora, which is an excellent
client but has some limitations. It doesn't display long subject
lines well, and it doesn't thread them properly (i.e., putting the
original inquiry and the replies together in the display).

Lately on SPSSX-L, there've been some postings with very long subject
lines; and I, at least, have found them awkward to work with.
(Sometimes I handle this by replying using a shortened subject line.)

If posters are willing, I recommend subject heads that state clearly
the area the problem's in, and a very little about the nature of the
problem, with detailed description in the text.

For example, if I'd followed my own recommendation, the subject head
of this posting might be

"Recommend shorter subject headings"

-Best to all on the List,
  Richard

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Re: Would posters feel OK about using shorter subject headings that can be easier to read, sort and understand?

Bruce Weaver
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Richard Ristow wrote
I don't know how others' mail clients handle long subject lines; this
may be a minority problem. I'm using Eudora, which is an excellent
client but has some limitations. It doesn't display long subject
lines well, and it doesn't thread them properly (i.e., putting the
original inquiry and the replies together in the display).

Lately on SPSSX-L, there've been some postings with very long subject
lines; and I, at least, have found them awkward to work with.
(Sometimes I handle this by replying using a shortened subject line.)

If posters are willing, I recommend subject heads that state clearly
the area the problem's in, and a very little about the nature of the
problem, with detailed description in the text.

For example, if I'd followed my own recommendation, the subject head
of this posting might be

"Recommend shorter subject headings"

-Best to all on the List,
  Richard
Good suggestion, Richard.

On a related note, those of us who participate via Nabble would appreciate it if members starting a new thread would compose a new message rather than responding to an old one.  Even if you change the subject line, your post gets hidden away in the original thread in the Nabble archive.  This can make it difficult to find later on.  Or if it's buried in a thread that is not particular interesting to me, I might even miss it altogether.  (Composing a new message should not be onerous if you have SPSSX-L in your address-book.)  Thanks for considering.

Cheers,
Bruce
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New Message to Start Thread

Martin Holt
Picking up on Bruce's comment below, I think this applies to most lists (not
just Nabble). Getting into the habit of starting a new thread with a brand
new message saves you wondering, at a later date, where the original message
got to. And then replies come in, addressing both the original and new
message at once.....you might think you're saving time, but actually, in the
long run, you probably aren't.

I'd add being careful that when you press "Reply" to a message, just in
normal use, in some lists the list address appears automatically in "To",
whilst in others (such as SPSS-L) it doesn't and you have to take the extra
effort and copy [hidden email] into the "To", separated from any
other addressee by ;  again (as happened to me recently) if you don't do
this you walk away thinking you've posted to the list when actually you
haven't (I wonder how often this goes undetected....when I do post to SPSS-L
I do not see the message on the list).

Best Wishes,
Martin Holt


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Weaver" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Would posters feel OK about using shorter subject headings that
can be easier to read, sort and understand?


> Richard Ristow wrote:
>>
>> I don't know how others' mail clients handle long subject lines; this
>> may be a minority problem. I'm using Eudora, which is an excellent
>> client but has some limitations. It doesn't display long subject
>> lines well, and it doesn't thread them properly (i.e., putting the
>> original inquiry and the replies together in the display).
>>
>> Lately on SPSSX-L, there've been some postings with very long subject
>> lines; and I, at least, have found them awkward to work with.
>> (Sometimes I handle this by replying using a shortened subject line.)
>>
>> If posters are willing, I recommend subject heads that state clearly
>> the area the problem's in, and a very little about the nature of the
>> problem, with detailed description in the text.
>>
>> For example, if I'd followed my own recommendation, the subject head
>> of this posting might be
>>
>> "Recommend shorter subject headings"
>>
>> -Best to all on the List,
>>   Richard
>>
>>
>
> Good suggestion, Richard.
>
> On a related note, those of us who participate via Nabble would appreciate
> it if members starting a new thread would compose a new message rather
> than
> responding to an old one.  Even if you change the subject line, your post
> gets hidden away in the original thread in the Nabble archive.  This can
> make it difficult to find later on.  Or if it's buried in a thread that is
> not particular interesting to me, I might even miss it altogether.
> (Composing a new message should not be onerous if you have SPSSX-L in your
> address-book.)  Thanks for considering.
>
> Cheers,
> Bruce
>
>
> -----
> --
> Bruce Weaver
> [hidden email]
> http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/
> "When all else fails, RTFM."
>
> NOTE:  My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly.
> To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above.
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> View this message in context:
> http://old.nabble.com/Would-posters-feel-OK-about-using-shorter-subject-headings-that-can-be-easier-to-read%2C-sort-and-understand--tp28009429p28014640.html
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Re: New Message to Start Thread

John F Hall
If you want to see your message after posting to the list, you need to copy it to yourself as well (I usually do it as blind copy)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:54 PM
Subject: New Message to Start Thread


Picking up on Bruce's comment below, I think this applies to most lists (not
just Nabble). Getting into the habit of starting a new thread with a brand
new message saves you wondering, at a later date, where the original message
got to. And then replies come in, addressing both the original and new
message at once.....you might think you're saving time, but actually, in the
long run, you probably aren't.

I'd add being careful that when you press "Reply" to a message, just in
normal use, in some lists the list address appears automatically in "To",
whilst in others (such as SPSS-L) it doesn't and you have to take the extra
effort and copy [hidden email] into the "To", separated from any
other addressee by ;  again (as happened to me recently) if you don't do
this you walk away thinking you've posted to the list when actually you
haven't (I wonder how often this goes undetected....when I do post to SPSS-L
I do not see the message on the list).

Best Wishes,
Martin Holt


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Weaver" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Would posters feel OK about using shorter subject headings that
can be easier to read, sort and understand?


> Richard Ristow wrote:
>>
>> I don't know how others' mail clients handle long subject lines; this
>> may be a minority problem. I'm using Eudora, which is an excellent
>> client but has some limitations. It doesn't display long subject
>> lines well, and it doesn't thread them properly (i.e., putting the
>> original inquiry and the replies together in the display).
>>
>> Lately on SPSSX-L, there've been some postings with very long subject
>> lines; and I, at least, have found them awkward to work with.
>> (Sometimes I handle this by replying using a shortened subject line.)
>>
>> If posters are willing, I recommend subject heads that state clearly
>> the area the problem's in, and a very little about the nature of the
>> problem, with detailed description in the text.
>>
>> For example, if I'd followed my own recommendation, the subject head
>> of this posting might be
>>
>> "Recommend shorter subject headings"
>>
>> -Best to all on the List,
>>   Richard
>>
>>
>
> Good suggestion, Richard.
>
> On a related note, those of us who participate via Nabble would appreciate
> it if members starting a new thread would compose a new message rather
> than
> responding to an old one.  Even if you change the subject line, your post
> gets hidden away in the original thread in the Nabble archive.  This can
> make it difficult to find later on.  Or if it's buried in a thread that is
> not particular interesting to me, I might even miss it altogether.
> (Composing a new message should not be onerous if you have SPSSX-L in your
> address-book.)  Thanks for considering.
>
> Cheers,
> Bruce
>
>
> -----
> --
> Bruce Weaver
> [hidden email]
> http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/
> "When all else fails, RTFM."
>
> NOTE:  My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly.
> To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above.
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://old.nabble.com/Would-posters-feel-OK-about-using-shorter-subject-headings-that-can-be-easier-to-read%2C-sort-and-understand--tp28009429p28014640.html
> Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
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Re: New Message to Start Thread

Luca Meyer-3
<base href="x-msg://59/">I check on http://www.listserv.uga.edu/archives/spssx-l.html to see if the message has been forwarded to the whole list.
Luca

Il giorno 25/mar/2010, alle ore 07.35, John F Hall ha scritto:

If you want to see your message after posting to the list, you need to copy it to yourself as well (I usually do it as blind copy)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:54 PM
Subject: New Message to Start Thread


Picking up on Bruce's comment below, I think this applies to most lists (not
just Nabble). Getting into the habit of starting a new thread with a brand
new message saves you wondering, at a later date, where the original message
got to. And then replies come in, addressing both the original and new
message at once.....you might think you're saving time, but actually, in the
long run, you probably aren't.

I'd add being careful that when you press "Reply" to a message, just in
normal use, in some lists the list address appears automatically in "To",
whilst in others (such as SPSS-L) it doesn't and you have to take the extra
effort and copy [hidden email] into the "To", separated from any
other addressee by ;  again (as happened to me recently) if you don't do
this you walk away thinking you've posted to the list when actually you
haven't (I wonder how often this goes undetected....when I do post to SPSS-L
I do not see the message on the list).

Best Wishes,
Martin Holt


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Weaver" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Would posters feel OK about using shorter subject headings that
can be easier to read, sort and understand?


> Richard Ristow wrote:
>>
>> I don't know how others' mail clients handle long subject lines; this
>> may be a minority problem. I'm using Eudora, which is an excellent
>> client but has some limitations. It doesn't display long subject
>> lines well, and it doesn't thread them properly (i.e., putting the
>> original inquiry and the replies together in the display).
>>
>> Lately on SPSSX-L, there've been some postings with very long subject
>> lines; and I, at least, have found them awkward to work with.
>> (Sometimes I handle this by replying using a shortened subject line.)
>>
>> If posters are willing, I recommend subject heads that state clearly
>> the area the problem's in, and a very little about the nature of the
>> problem, with detailed description in the text.
>>
>> For example, if I'd followed my own recommendation, the subject head
>> of this posting might be
>>
>> "Recommend shorter subject headings"
>>
>> -Best to all on the List,
>>   Richard
>>
>>
>
> Good suggestion, Richard.
>
> On a related note, those of us who participate via Nabble would appreciate
> it if members starting a new thread would compose a new message rather
> than
> responding to an old one.  Even if you change the subject line, your post
> gets hidden away in the original thread in the Nabble archive.  This can
> make it difficult to find later on.  Or if it's buried in a thread that is
> not particular interesting to me, I might even miss it altogether.
> (Composing a new message should not be onerous if you have SPSSX-L in your
> address-book.)  Thanks for considering.
>
> Cheers,
> Bruce
>
>
> -----
> --
> Bruce Weaver
> [hidden email]
> http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/
> "When all else fails, RTFM."
>
> NOTE:  My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly.
> To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above.
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://old.nabble.com/Would-posters-feel-OK-about-using-shorter-subject-headings-that-can-be-easier-to-read%2C-sort-and-understand--tp28009429p28014640.html
> Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
> =====================
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> [hidden email] (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the
> command. To leave the list, send the command
> SIGNOFF SPSSX-L
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> INFO REFCARD
>

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Re: New Message to Start Thread

Richard Ristow
In reply to this post by John F Hall
At 02:35 AM 3/25/2010, John F Hall wrote:

If you want to see your message after posting to the list, you need to copy it to yourself as well (I usually do it as blind copy)

Or, if you receive your mail through the UGA ListServ service, you can set list option "REPRO" to have your own postings sent to you from the list. You can also set option "ACK", to get acknowledgement messages like,

Date:         Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:33:14 -0400
From: "L-Soft list server at UGA (1.8d)" <[hidden email]>
Subject:      Message ("Your message dated Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:32:33...")
To: [hidden email]

Your message dated Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:32:33 -0400 with subject "Re: Closing one data window  closes all data windows" has  been successfully distributed to the SPSSX-L list (1793 recipients).

You can set these, or any list options, at site http://www.listserv.uga.edu/archives/spssx-l.html; click "Join or leave the list (or change settings)".

Or (the old way) you can change these options by sending a message to [hidden email] with text "SET SPSS-L ACK REPRO".

or, of course, naming only one of those options if you want only one.

+ This message must come from the account where you have your SPSSX-L subscription, the one where you receive the postings.

+ The addressee for this message, [hidden email], is not the same as the address [hidden email], which sends postings to the list. If you send the commands to the list we'll find it a little annoying, and the commands won't take effect.

+ To have a description of all list options mailed to you, send a message to [hidden email] containing text "INFO REFCARD".

-Good wishes to all,
 Richard
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