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ChetMeinzer
I want to transfer my production jobs to use the server edition.  is it enough to change my default to server in 'switch server' on the menu?  Currently i'm using task manager to cue a '.bat' to call the spj.  do the spj files need to be different?  
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Jon K Peck
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See Help > Core System > Production Jobs for details on Server settings.
Also remember that file references will need to be written from the Server system point of view.


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I want to transfer my production jobs to use the server edition.  is it
enough to change my default to server in 'switch server' on the menu?
Currently i'm using task manager to cue a '.bat' to call the spj.  do the
spj files need to be different?



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ChetMeinzer
Thanks Jon.
I've read this, and i didn't see where it explains how to call an spj file from .bat and direct it to run on the server.
Any thoughts?
How else can i set up overnight production jobs to run on the server?
What am i missing?
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ChetMeinzer
do i need the .bat file to have the switch in it?
stats -server mystatssvr:3016 -user myuser -password mypassword -myjob.spj?
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Re: stats server production job

Rick Oliver-3
Did you read this topic?

http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/spssstat/v22r0m0/topic/com.ibm.spss.statistics.help/spss/base/production_command_line.htm

Specifically:

"-background. Run the production job in the background on a remote server. Your local computer does not have to remain on and does not have to remain connected to the remote server. You can disconnect and retrieve the results later. You must also include the -production switch and specify the server using the -server switch."

Production jobs run on the client. When you use a remote server in a production job, you are basically running the client in distributed mode; so I think the .bat file has to be invoked from the client machine.

The alternative is to use the server batch facility, which can also be invoked from a command line in a .bat file, in which case the .bat file is invoked from the server machine.

http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/spssstat/v22r0m0/topic/com.ibm.spss.statistics.server/spss/spssb/spssb_cmdlineswitches.html





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do i need the .bat file to have the switch in it?
stats -server mystatssvr:3016 -user myuser -password mypassword -myjob.spj?



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yes, I read that, and i can not get this to work.  
maybe a simple example would?

"C:\Program Files\IBM\SPSS\Statistics\22\stats.exe"  "\\covenas\decisionsupport\Meinzer\production\spj\epssvccg.spj" -background -production -server bhcsstat1:3022 -user myuser-password mypassword
pause

Here is one of the lines i tried, and it does not work, and I tried many combinations of these switches.
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Rick Oliver-3
What error do you get?

Is \\covenas accessible from the c: drive where Statistics is installed? That is, if you type "\\covenas" in the Explorer address bar, can you see the contents of that location? I'm not sure paths of that form are supported. You may need to map a drive to that location.

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yes, I read that, and i can not get this to work.
maybe a simple example would?

"C:\Program Files\IBM\SPSS\Statistics\22\stats.exe"
"\\covenas\decisionsupport\Meinzer\production\spj\epssvccg.spj" -background
-production -server bhcsstat1:3022 -user myuser-password mypassword
pause

Here is one of the lines i tried, and it does not work, and I tried many
combinations of these switches.



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yes, i changed it from the mapped drive to the unc.  

a box pops up called
repository:server
current connection none

and gives me the opportunity to enter a repository and a port.  Everything i try says
'can not access repository'

Thanks for your time!
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When i type the network unc in explorer, I am able to view the files.  However, when i type
cat '\\theunc\blaw\myfile.spj'
no file found.

although, i thought i was passing the spj file through to the server?
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Re: stats server production job

Albert-Jan Roskam
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Hi,

With the client version of SPSS v22 (beta) I noticed that I had to cd to the spss install dir, then run the production job. Maybe related to relative paths, or something. E.g (Windows):

cd /d  C:\PROGRA~1\IBM\SPSS\STATIS~1\22
stats.com -production silent C:\TEMP\USER\test.spj

"silent" is to prevent the GUI for syntax parameters from popping up (the defaults as you defined them are used). There's also a "nosplash" option that seemed useful (more efficient). In v20 I usually use UNC paths for the spj file. Can't help you with the SPSS Server specific stuff. I noticed there is no space between "myuser-password", but maybe that's a typo.


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What error do you get?

Is \\covenas accessible from the c: drive where Statistics is installed? That is, if you type "\\covenas" in the Explorer address bar, can you see the contents of that location? I'm not sure paths of that form are supported. You may need to map a drive to that location.

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yes, I read that, and i can not get this to work.
maybe a simple example would?

"C:\Program Files\IBM\SPSS\Statistics\22\stats.exe"
"\\covenas\decisionsupport\Meinzer\production\spj\epssvccg.spj" -background
-production -server bhcsstat1:3022 -user myuser-password mypassword
pause

Here is one of the lines i tried, and it does not work, and I tried many
combinations of these switches.



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Rick Oliver-3
It should not be necessary to CD to the install directory, as long as you include the explicit path to the install directory, e,g.:

"c:\program files\ibm\spss\statistics\22\stats.exe"

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Hi,

With the client version of SPSS v22 (beta) I noticed that I had to cd to the spss install dir, then run the production job. Maybe related to relative paths, or something. E.g (Windows):


cd /d  C:\PROGRA~1\IBM\SPSS\STATIS~1\22
stats.com -production silent C:\TEMP\USER\test.spj

"silent" is to prevent the GUI for syntax parameters from popping up (the defaults as you defined them are used). There's also a "nosplash" option that seemed useful (more efficient). In v20 I usually use UNC paths for the spj file. Can't help you with the SPSS Server specific stuff. I noticed there is no space between "
myuser-password", but maybe that's a typo.


Regards,

Albert-Jan




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What error do you get?

Is \\covenas accessible from the c: drive where Statistics is installed? That is, if you type "\\covenas" in the Explorer address bar, can you see the contents of that location? I'm not sure paths of that form are supported. You may need to map a drive to that location.


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yes, I read that, and i can not get this to work.
maybe a simple example would?

"C:\Program Files\IBM\SPSS\Statistics\22\stats.exe"
"\\covenas\decisionsupport\Meinzer\production\spj\epssvccg.spj" -background
-production -server bhcsstat1:3022 -user myuser-password mypassword
pause

Here is one of the lines i tried, and it does not work, and I tried many
combinations of these switches.



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Yes, I see that now. I'll have to do some research.

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yes, i changed it from the mapped drive to the unc.

a box pops up called
repository:server
current connection none

and gives me the opportunity to enter a repository and a port.  Everything i
try says
'can not access repository'

Thanks for your time!



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The production job runs on the client. It passes the computation to the server. It's basically like starting the client and using "Switch Server" on the file menu to connect to a remote server instance.

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When i type the network unc in explorer, I am able to view the files.
However, when i type
cat '\\theunc\blaw\myfile.spj'
no file found.

although, i thought i was passing the spj file through to the server?



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RE: stats server production job

ChetMeinzer

I found my mistake

I forgot the domain in domain\user.

However, the issue remains that the product ‘server edition’ of spss that allows use of more than a single core is not accessible from the client side command line. 

I was advised to set up the production system on the server and leave out .SPJ, and then execute the .bat files to use more than 1 core.

 

From: Rick Oliver [via SPSSX Discussion] [mailto:[hidden email]]
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The production job runs on the client. It passes the computation to the server. It's basically like starting the client and using "Switch Server" on the file menu to connect to a remote server instance.

Rick Oliver
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When i type the network unc in explorer, I am able to view the files.
However, when i type
cat '\\theunc\blaw\myfile.spj'
no file found.

although, i thought i was passing the spj file through to the server?



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Rick Oliver-3
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My apologies for not seeing this sooner, but there is one definite error in your command line:

-server bhcsstat1:3022


This should be -server inet:bhcsstat1:3022

The following works for me, without the -background switch:

"c:\program files\ibm\spss\statistics\22\stats.exe" \\machinename\dir\prodname.spj -production -server inet:servername:port -user username -password password

While there may be complexities involved in running a production job on a remote server, specifically with file locations, this functionality is supported. In general, data files must be in a location accessible from the server and output locations must be specified as locations accessible to the client, although you can also set up production jobs to run disconnected on a server and retrieve the output later. Also note that the UNC path for the SPJ file is unrelated to the location of the server; it is a location accessible from the client.

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The production job runs on the client. It passes the computation to the server. It's basically like starting the client and using "Switch Server" on the file menu to connect to a remote server instance.

Rick Oliver
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When i type the network unc in explorer, I am able to view the files.
However, when i type
cat '\\theunc\blaw\myfile.spj'
no file found.

although, i thought i was passing the spj file through to the server?



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ChetMeinzer
Thank you.

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On Jan 27, 2014, at 19:42, "Rick Oliver [via SPSSX Discussion]" <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:

My apologies for not seeing this sooner, but there is one definite error in your command line:

-server bhcsstat1:3022


This should be -server inet:bhcsstat1:3022

The following works for me, without the -background switch:

"c:\program files\ibm\spss\statistics\22\stats.exe" \\machinename\dir\prodname.spj -production -server inet:servername:port -user username -password password

While there may be complexities involved in running a production job on a remote server, specifically with file locations, this functionality is supported. In general, data files must be in a location accessible from the server and output locations must be specified as locations accessible to the client, although you can also set up production jobs to run disconnected on a server and retrieve the output later. Also note that the UNC path for the SPJ file is unrelated to the location of the server; it is a location accessible from the client.

Rick Oliver
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When i type the network unc in explorer, I am able to view the files.
However, when i type
cat '\\theunc\blaw\myfile.spj'
no file found.

although, i thought i was passing the spj file through to the server?



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Rick Oliver-3
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Yes, as I think I mentioned previously, you can use the server batch facility to run jobs from a .bat file, using command line switches.

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I found my mistake

I forgot the domain in domain\user.

However, the issue remains that the product ‘server edition’ of spss that allows use of more than a single core is not accessible from the client side command line.  

I was advised to set up the production system on the server and leave out .SPJ, and then execute the .bat files to use more than 1 core.

 

From: Rick Oliver [via SPSSX Discussion] [mailto:[hidden email]]
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Monday, January 27, 2014 3:12 PM
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Meinzer, Chet BHCS
Subject:
Re: stats server production job

 

The production job runs on the client. It passes the computation to the server. It's basically like starting the client and using "Switch Server" on the file menu to connect to a remote server instance.

Rick Oliver
Senior Information Developer
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When i type the network unc in explorer, I am able to view the files.

However, when i type
cat '\\theunc\blaw\myfile.spj'
no file found.

although, i thought i was passing the spj file through to the server?



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Did you try the SET THREADS command? That speeds up *some* processes- notably SORT CASES. If you use different servers with different numbers of cores you might be able to use Python multiprocess to find out the number of cores.


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On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 3:13 PM CET Rick Oliver wrote:

>Yes, as I think I mentioned previously, you can use the server batch
>facility to run jobs from a .bat file, using command line switches.
>
>Rick Oliver
>Senior Information Developer
>IBM Business Analytics (SPSS)
>E-mail: [hidden email]
>
>
>
>From:   ChetMeinzer <[hidden email]>
>To:     [hidden email],
>Date:   01/28/2014 08:04 AM
>Subject:        Re: stats server production job
>Sent by:        "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <[hidden email]>
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>
>
>I found my mistake
>I forgot the domain in domain\user.
>However, the issue remains that the product ‘server edition’ of spss that
>allows use of more than a single core is not accessible from the client
>side command line.
>I was advised to set up the production system on the server and leave out
>.SPJ, and then execute the .bat files to use more than 1 core.
>
>From: Rick Oliver [via SPSSX Discussion] [mailto:[hidden email]]
>Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 3:12 PM
>To: Meinzer, Chet BHCS
>Subject: Re: stats server production job
>
>The production job runs on the client. It passes the computation to the
>server. It's basically like starting the client and using "Switch Server"
>on the file menu to connect to a remote server instance.
>
>Rick Oliver
>Senior Information Developer
>IBM Business Analytics (SPSS)
>E-mail: [hidden email]
>
>
>
>From:        ChetMeinzer <[hidden email]>
>To:        [hidden email],
>Date:        01/27/2014 04:45 PM
>Subject:        Re: stats server production job
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>
>When i type the network unc in explorer, I am able to view the files.
>However, when i type
>cat '\\theunc\blaw\myfile.spj'
>no file found.
>
>although, i thought i was passing the spj file through to the server?
>
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I'm not sure the statement that production jobs cannot take advantage of multiple cores on the server is true. I will try to get some clarification.

Rick Oliver
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From:        Albert-Jan Roskam <[hidden email]>
To:        [hidden email],
Date:        01/28/2014 12:57 PM
Subject:        Re: stats server production job
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Did you try the SET THREADS command? That speeds up *some* processes- notably SORT CASES. If you use different servers with different numbers of cores you might be able to use Python multiprocess to find out the number of cores.


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On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 3:13 PM CET Rick Oliver wrote:

>Yes, as I think I mentioned previously, you can use the server batch
>facility to run jobs from a .bat file, using command line switches.
>
>Rick Oliver
>Senior Information Developer
>IBM Business Analytics (SPSS)
>E-mail: [hidden email]
>
>
>
>From:   ChetMeinzer <[hidden email]>
>To:     [hidden email],
>Date:   01/28/2014 08:04 AM
>Subject:        Re: stats server production job
>Sent by:        "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <[hidden email]>
>
>
>
>I found my mistake
>I forgot the domain in domain\user.
>However, the issue remains that the product ‘server edition’ of spss that
>allows use of more than a single core is not accessible from the client
>side command line.
>I was advised to set up the production system on the server and leave out
>.SPJ, and then execute the .bat files to use more than 1 core.
>
>From: Rick Oliver [via SPSSX Discussion] [mailto:[hidden email]]
>Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 3:12 PM
>To: Meinzer, Chet BHCS
>Subject: Re: stats server production job
>
>The production job runs on the client. It passes the computation to the
>server. It's basically like starting the client and using "Switch Server"
>on the file menu to connect to a remote server instance.
>
>Rick Oliver
>Senior Information Developer
>IBM Business Analytics (SPSS)
>E-mail: [hidden email]
>
>
>
>From:        ChetMeinzer <[hidden email]>
>To:        [hidden email],
>Date:        01/27/2014 04:45 PM
>Subject:        Re: stats server production job
>Sent by:        "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <[hidden email]>
>
>
>
>
>When i type the network unc in explorer, I am able to view the files.
>However, when i type
>cat '\\theunc\blaw\myfile.spj'
>no file found.
>
>although, i thought i was passing the spj file through to the server?
>
>
>
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