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Dale

Are you folks trying to trigger a PTSD event for me?  I have worked diligently to forget those things – and “Pine.”

 

Dale Pietrzak, Ed.D., LPCMH, CCMHC

Director, Office of Academic Evaluation and Assessment

University of South Dakota

Slagle Hall Room 102

414 East Clark Street

605-677-6497

 

 

 

From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:02 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

 

You are right.   I was confusing BITNET with ARPANET.

Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants

On 5/2/2013 8:53 AM, Mike Palij wrote:

I think your memory might be off about BITNET.  Here is the

Wikipedia entry on it which identifies that CUNY and Yale

initiated it in 1981 on IBM mainframes; see:

And here is CREN's view of BITNET history:

See also:

 

As for DECnet, see the Wikipedia entry here:

Although DECnet is identified as starting in 1974, it seems to

me that it does not really connect to other networks until 1980-1982.

 

-Mike Palij

New York University

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:34 AM

Subject: Re: traffic

 

If I recall correctly, there was BITNET around 1978 and DECnet around 1976  although DECnet was more of a LAN.

Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants

On 5/1/2013 8:22 PM, Mike Palij [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:

You can start here and work your way forward:

 

 

If you're a real glutton for punishment, start at Usenet; see:

 

Sorry, I couldn't find anything from 1979 or earlier.

 

-Mike Palij

New York University

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 7:40 PM

Subject: Re: traffic

 

I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it again
from the beginning?

 

David, can you explain Martix all over again and what RTFM means and how often I should apply it?

Art/Bruce can you teach me research design from the beginning?

JonoH, please rewrite all my wants/dreams into a mashup of Python and SPSS Syntax.

 

If we gotta start over, let's just get it all over with.  

 

*shotgun to head*

 

///

 

Man, if I had to do a reboot on the internet and start over, I don't even know where I began.  In the beginning there was...?  Personal pages?  Advertisements?  A restaurant?  I only remember animated gifs (flaming skulls), rainbow hr's, interlaced jpegs, and that damn fax-like noise.  I don't really remember 'content' being a part of the original interwebs.  

 

   

----


J. R. Carroll

Independent Researcher/Psychometrician through Hurtz Labs

Research Methods, Test Development, and Statistics

Python/WWW Developer

Cell:  (650) 776-6613

          [hidden email]

          [hidden email]

 

 

On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:29 PM, David Marso <[hidden email]> wrote:

Perhaps all answers have been found.  The archives are complete.  Our work is
done here.
I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it again
from the beginning?
--------------------------

bdates wrote

> The ubiquitous 'they' are avoiding us!
> ________________________________________
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> [hidden email]


> ] on behalf of Bruce Weaver [


> bruce.weaver@

> ]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 4:50 PM
> To:

> [hidden email]


> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> I think it's just been a quiet day, Paul -- or at least it was until all
> those vacation messages triggered by your post!  ;-)
>
> Perhaps everyone was busy watching the second leg of Barcelona v Bayern
> Munich.  :-|
>
>    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22357630
>
>
>
> Swank, Paul R wrote
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well I I guess I was reminiscing because Saturday I brought the first computer that was my own. A PDT 11/150 to the recycling center.


I have old VAX BACKUP save sets. Someone transferred them from tape to  DVD for me.  I am waiting until he  unpacks the save sets to windows files.

Then I am going to literally pull the plug on my VAX.


[How is the mention of tapes for bringing up painful memories?  Should I talk about 110 baud acoustic coupler modems?]

Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants
On 5/2/2013 9:19 AM, Pietrzak, Dale wrote:

Are you folks trying to trigger a PTSD event for me?  I have worked diligently to forget those things – and “Pine.”

 

Dale Pietrzak, Ed.D., LPCMH, CCMHC

Director, Office of Academic Evaluation and Assessment

University of South Dakota

Slagle Hall Room 102

414 East Clark Street

605-677-6497

 

 

 

From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:02 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

 

You are right.   I was confusing BITNET with ARPANET.

Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants

On 5/2/2013 8:53 AM, Mike Palij wrote:

I think your memory might be off about BITNET.  Here is the

Wikipedia entry on it which identifies that CUNY and Yale

initiated it in 1981 on IBM mainframes; see:

And here is CREN's view of BITNET history:

See also:

 

As for DECnet, see the Wikipedia entry here:

Although DECnet is identified as starting in 1974, it seems to

me that it does not really connect to other networks until 1980-1982.

 

-Mike Palij

New York University

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:34 AM

Subject: Re: traffic

 

If I recall correctly, there was BITNET around 1978 and DECnet around 1976  although DECnet was more of a LAN.

Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants

On 5/1/2013 8:22 PM, Mike Palij [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:

You can start here and work your way forward:

 

 

If you're a real glutton for punishment, start at Usenet; see:

 

Sorry, I couldn't find anything from 1979 or earlier.

 

-Mike Palij

New York University

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 7:40 PM

Subject: Re: traffic

 

I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it again
from the beginning?

 

David, can you explain Martix all over again and what RTFM means and how often I should apply it?

Art/Bruce can you teach me research design from the beginning?

JonoH, please rewrite all my wants/dreams into a mashup of Python and SPSS Syntax.

 

If we gotta start over, let's just get it all over with.  

 

*shotgun to head*

 

///

 

Man, if I had to do a reboot on the internet and start over, I don't even know where I began.  In the beginning there was...?  Personal pages?  Advertisements?  A restaurant?  I only remember animated gifs (flaming skulls), rainbow hr's, interlaced jpegs, and that damn fax-like noise.  I don't really remember 'content' being a part of the original interwebs.  

 

   

----


J. R. Carroll

Independent Researcher/Psychometrician through Hurtz Labs

Research Methods, Test Development, and Statistics

Python/WWW Developer

Cell:  (650) 776-6613

Email: [hidden email]

          [hidden email]

          [hidden email]

 

 

On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:29 PM, David Marso <[hidden email]> wrote:

Perhaps all answers have been found.  The archives are complete.  Our work is
done here.
I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it again
from the beginning?
--------------------------

bdates wrote

> The ubiquitous 'they' are avoiding us!
> ________________________________________
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [

> [hidden email]


> ] on behalf of Bruce Weaver [

> bruce.weaver@

> ]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 4:50 PM
> To:

> [hidden email]


> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> I think it's just been a quiet day, Paul -- or at least it was until all
> those vacation messages triggered by your post!  ;-)
>
> Perhaps everyone was busy watching the second leg of Barcelona v Bayern
> Munich.  :-|
>
>    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22357630
>
>
>
> Swank, Paul R wrote
>> I have received no messages on the listserve today. ANybody else have
>> this
>> problem?
>>
>> Paul R. Swank, Ph.D., Professor
>> Health Promotions and Behavioral Sciences
>> School of Public Health
>> University of Texas Health Science Center Houston
>>
>> =====================
>> To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to
>
>> [hidden email]
>
>>  (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the
>> command. To leave the list, send the command
>> SIGNOFF SPSSX-L
>> For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command
>> INFO REFCARD
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> --
> Bruce Weaver


> bweaver@

> http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/


>
> "When all else fails, RTFM."
>
> NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly.
> To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above.
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/traffic-tp5719857p5719863.html
> Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
> =====================
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Swank, Paul R

Ahhh. I have somewhat mixed memories of version numbers!

 

Dr. Paul R. Swank, Professor

Health Promotion and Behavioral Sciences

School of Public Health

University of Texas Health Science Center Houston

 

From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:08 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

 

well I I guess I was reminiscing because Saturday I brought the first computer that was my own. A PDT 11/150 to the recycling center.


I have old VAX BACKUP save sets. Someone transferred them from tape to  DVD for me.  I am waiting until he  unpacks the save sets to windows files.

Then I am going to literally pull the plug on my VAX.


[How is the mention of tapes for bringing up painful memories?  Should I talk about 110 baud acoustic coupler modems?]


Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants

On 5/2/2013 9:19 AM, Pietrzak, Dale wrote:

Are you folks trying to trigger a PTSD event for me?  I have worked diligently to forget those things – and “Pine.”

 

Dale Pietrzak, Ed.D., LPCMH, CCMHC

Director, Office of Academic Evaluation and Assessment

University of South Dakota

Slagle Hall Room 102

414 East Clark Street

605-677-6497

 

 

 

From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:02 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

 

You are right.   I was confusing BITNET with ARPANET.


Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants

On 5/2/2013 8:53 AM, Mike Palij wrote:

I think your memory might be off about BITNET.  Here is the

Wikipedia entry on it which identifies that CUNY and Yale

initiated it in 1981 on IBM mainframes; see:

And here is CREN's view of BITNET history:

See also:

 

As for DECnet, see the Wikipedia entry here:

Although DECnet is identified as starting in 1974, it seems to

me that it does not really connect to other networks until 1980-1982.

 

-Mike Palij

New York University

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:34 AM

Subject: Re: traffic

 

If I recall correctly, there was BITNET around 1978 and DECnet around 1976  although DECnet was more of a LAN.


Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants

On 5/1/2013 8:22 PM, Mike Palij [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:

You can start here and work your way forward:

 

 

If you're a real glutton for punishment, start at Usenet; see:

 

Sorry, I couldn't find anything from 1979 or earlier.

 

-Mike Palij

New York University

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 7:40 PM

Subject: Re: traffic

 

I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it again
from the beginning?

 

David, can you explain Martix all over again and what RTFM means and how often I should apply it?

Art/Bruce can you teach me research design from the beginning?

JonoH, please rewrite all my wants/dreams into a mashup of Python and SPSS Syntax.

 

If we gotta start over, let's just get it all over with.  

 

*shotgun to head*

 

///

 

Man, if I had to do a reboot on the internet and start over, I don't even know where I began.  In the beginning there was...?  Personal pages?  Advertisements?  A restaurant?  I only remember animated gifs (flaming skulls), rainbow hr's, interlaced jpegs, and that damn fax-like noise.  I don't really remember 'content' being a part of the original interwebs.  

 

   

----


J. R. Carroll

Independent Researcher/Psychometrician through Hurtz Labs

Research Methods, Test Development, and Statistics

Python/WWW Developer

Cell:  (650) 776-6613

          [hidden email]

          [hidden email]

 

 

On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:29 PM, David Marso <[hidden email]> wrote:

Perhaps all answers have been found.  The archives are complete.  Our work is
done here.
I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it again
from the beginning?
--------------------------

bdates wrote

> The ubiquitous 'they' are avoiding us!
> ________________________________________
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [

> [hidden email]


> ] on behalf of Bruce Weaver [


> bruce.weaver@

> ]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 4:50 PM
> To:

> [hidden email]


> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> I think it's just been a quiet day, Paul -- or at least it was until all
> those vacation messages triggered by your post!  ;-)
>
> Perhaps everyone was busy watching the second leg of Barcelona v Bayern
> Munich.  :-|
>
>    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22357630
>
>
>
> Swank, Paul R wrote
>> I have received no messages on the listserve today. ANybody else have
>> this
>> problem?
>>
>> Paul R. Swank, Ph.D., Professor
>> Health Promotions and Behavioral Sciences
>> School of Public Health
>> University of Texas Health Science Center Houston
>>
>> =====================
>> To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to
>
>> [hidden email]
>
>>  (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the
>> command. To leave the list, send the command
>> SIGNOFF SPSSX-L
>> For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command
>> INFO REFCARD
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> --
> Bruce Weaver


> bweaver@

> http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/


>
> "When all else fails, RTFM."
>
> NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored regularly.
> To send me an e-mail, please use the address shown above.
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/traffic-tp5719857p5719863.html
> Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
> =====================
> To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to

 


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> command. To leave the list, send the command
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> For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command
> INFO REFCARD
>
> =====================
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>  (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the
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Cum es damnatorum possederunt porcos iens ut salire off sanguinum cliff in abyssum?"
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Swank, Paul R wrote
Ahhh. I have somewhat mixed memories of version numbers!

Dr. Paul R. Swank, Professor
Health Promotion and Behavioral Sciences
School of Public Health
University of Texas Health Science Center Houston

From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:08 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

well I I guess I was reminiscing because Saturday I brought the first computer that was my own. A PDT 11/150 to the recycling center.


I have old VAX BACKUP save sets. Someone transferred them from tape to  DVD for me.  I am waiting until he  unpacks the save sets to windows files.

Then I am going to literally pull the plug on my VAX.


[How is the mention of tapes for bringing up painful memories?  Should I talk about 110 baud acoustic coupler modems?]



Art Kendall

Social Research Consultants
On 5/2/2013 9:19 AM, Pietrzak, Dale wrote:
Are you folks trying to trigger a PTSD event for me?  I have worked diligently to forget those things - and "Pine."

Dale Pietrzak, Ed.D., LPCMH, CCMHC
Director, Office of Academic Evaluation and Assessment
University of South Dakota
Slagle Hall Room 102
414 East Clark Street
605-677-6497



From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:02 AM
To: [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: traffic

You are right.   I was confusing BITNET with ARPANET.



Art Kendall

Social Research Consultants
On 5/2/2013 8:53 AM, Mike Palij wrote:
I think your memory might be off about BITNET.  Here is the
Wikipedia entry on it which identifies that CUNY and Yale
initiated it in 1981 on IBM mainframes; see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitnet
And here is CREN's view of BITNET history:
http://www.cren.net/cren/cren-hist-fut.html
See also:
http://www.cren.net/cren/history.html

As for DECnet, see the Wikipedia entry here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decnet
Although DECnet is identified as starting in 1974, it seems to
me that it does not really connect to other networks until 1980-1982.

-Mike Palij
New York University
[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>

----- Original Message -----
From: Art Kendall<mailto:[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: traffic

If I recall correctly, there was BITNET around 1978 and DECnet around 1976  although DECnet was more of a LAN.



Art Kendall

Social Research Consultants
On 5/1/2013 8:22 PM, Mike Palij [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
You can start here and work your way forward:

http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html

If you're a real glutton for punishment, start at Usenet; see:
http://groups.google.com/group/fa.unix-wizards/browse_thread/thread/20478010e2f905e4/853b59715ae4b2ff?hl=en&q=usenet#853b59715ae4b2ff

Sorry, I couldn't find anything from 1979 or earlier.

-Mike Palij
New York University
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I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it again
from the beginning?

David, can you explain Martix all over again and what RTFM means and how often I should apply it?
Art/Bruce can you teach me research design from the beginning?
JonoH, please rewrite all my wants/dreams into a mashup of Python and SPSS Syntax.

If we gotta start over, let's just get it all over with.

*shotgun to head*

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Man, if I had to do a reboot on the internet and start over, I don't even know where I began.  In the beginning there was...?  Personal pages?  Advertisements?  A restaurant?  I only remember animated gifs (flaming skulls), rainbow hr's, interlaced jpegs, and that damn fax-like noise.  I don't really remember 'content' being a part of the original interwebs.


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> I think it's just been a quiet day, Paul -- or at least it was until all
> those vacation messages triggered by your post!  ;-)
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> Perhaps everyone was busy watching the second leg of Barcelona v Bayern
> Munich.  :-|
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>    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22357630
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How many of us learnt SPSS on punched cards ? with fixed columns 1 & 16 and maybe a two hour turnaround to discover one character was misplaced and you had to re-punch the card. Plus new versions came around every 2-3 years and that was when the bugs were fixed. Those of us with unusual/ non-standard hardware ( in our case Honeywell GCOS ) had to wait for another site, usually another university, to 'convert' the release tape and send it out; you also hoped that there was no problem with the tape the software was released on as it could take a month for the tape to cross the Atlantic. I remember it took three attempts to get a tape that would work for one of the releases.

Who says it was "the good old days" ?

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You guys all must be really old ;-)))
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Swank, Paul R wrote
> Ahhh. I have somewhat mixed memories of version numbers!
>
> Dr. Paul R. Swank, Professor
> Health Promotion and Behavioral Sciences School of Public Health
> University of Texas Health Science Center Houston
>
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:

> SPSSX-L@.UGA

> ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:08 AM
> To:

> SPSSX-L@.UGA

> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> well I I guess I was reminiscing because Saturday I brought the first
> computer that was my own. A PDT 11/150 to the recycling center.
>
>
> I have old VAX BACKUP save sets. Someone transferred them from tape to
> DVD for me.  I am waiting until he  unpacks the save sets to windows
> files.
>
> Then I am going to literally pull the plug on my VAX.
>
>
> [How is the mention of tapes for bringing up painful memories?  Should
> I talk about 110 baud acoustic coupler modems?]
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/2/2013 9:19 AM, Pietrzak, Dale wrote:
> Are you folks trying to trigger a PTSD event for me?  I have worked
> diligently to forget those things - and "Pine."
>
> Dale Pietrzak, Ed.D., LPCMH, CCMHC
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>
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:

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> ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
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> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> You are right.   I was confusing BITNET with ARPANET.
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/2/2013 8:53 AM, Mike Palij wrote:
> I think your memory might be off about BITNET.  Here is the Wikipedia
> entry on it which identifies that CUNY and Yale initiated it in 1981
> on IBM mainframes; see:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitnet
> And here is CREN's view of BITNET history:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/cren-hist-fut.html
> See also:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/history.html
>
> As for DECnet, see the Wikipedia entry here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decnet
> Although DECnet is identified as starting in 1974, it seems to me that
> it does not really connect to other networks until 1980-1982.
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University

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> If I recall correctly, there was BITNET around 1978 and DECnet around
> 1976 although DECnet was more of a LAN.
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/1/2013 8:22 PM, Mike Palij [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
> You can start here and work your way forward:
>
> http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html
>
> If you're a real glutton for punishment, start at Usenet; see:
> http://groups.google.com/group/fa.unix-wizards/browse_thread/thread/20
> 478010e2f905e4/853b59715ae4b2ff?hl=en&q=usenet#853b59715ae4b2ff
>
> Sorry, I couldn't find anything from 1979 or earlier.
>
> -Mike Palij
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> I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it
> again from the beginning?
>
> David, can you explain Martix all over again and what RTFM means and
> how often I should apply it?
> Art/Bruce can you teach me research design from the beginning?
> JonoH, please rewrite all my wants/dreams into a mashup of Python and
> SPSS Syntax.
>
> If we gotta start over, let's just get it all over with.
>
> *shotgun to head*
>
> ///
>
> Man, if I had to do a reboot on the internet and start over, I don't
> even know where I began.  In the beginning there was...?  Personal pages?
> Advertisements?  A restaurant?  I only remember animated gifs (flaming
> skulls), rainbow hr's, interlaced jpegs, and that damn fax-like noise.
> I don't really remember 'content' being a part of the original interwebs.
>
>
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>> all those vacation messages triggered by your post!  ;-)
>>
>> Perhaps everyone was busy watching the second leg of Barcelona v
>> Bayern Munich.  :-|
>>
>>    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22357630
>>
>>
>>
>> Swank, Paul R wrote
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Aah!  80-column Hollerith cards, commands in 1 -15, specs in 16 -70,
numbering 71-80 (in case someone dropped the tray).  All that JCL to add
before the job: for ICL machines one witty programmer produced a nursery
rhyme (does anyone still have a copy?) about the series of "Georges" we had
to learn every time a new operating system was released.

Two-hour turn-around?  That was about par for LSE in the early 1970s, but at
PNL we had to wait a whole day as we depended on a courier service between
campuses (unless we went over to computer services ourselves).  My unit had
a VDU connection to the CDC at ULCC, but it was two years before we even got
a single 2nd-hand card punch.  For students, everything went to data-prep at
computer services on coding sheets: erros were not discovered for 24 hours
and it was another 24 before they could be corrected.  We worked like this
for several years before our campus eventually got a computer lab with 16
remote VDUs, a fast server and a couple of line-printers.

We only found out about that a day before term started and we'd already
prepared class materials for the old system.  Typical senior management at
faculty and institutional level!

Even with the new system, we had to teach students VMS and EDT before they
could start on SPSS.  At first students kept exceeding their disk
allocations as every edition of every file was kept, but we fixed that by
restricting files to the two most recent editions.  Another problem was
students printing up every file, even with errors (think of all those
trees!). We fixed that with a wonderful front end which reported errors
immediately and went back to the point in the syntax file where the error
occurred.  In those days SPSS was not very good at identifying the actual
error, but at least it allowed the tutor to help if needed.  The front-end
also forced students to check their output before printing, thus saving at
least a few trees.

Mind you the courses speeded up immensely as students got immediate
feed-back and job turn-round.  Great for motivation: off they went in hot
pursuit of findings.

Even then I still taught students about fixed fields for both syntax and
data before tucking in to SPSS.  Even now I prefer syntax to the GUI for
most basic operations: I think students klearn and retain more this way.

At least we don't have to use coding sheets any more (see:
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-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Lemon, John
Sent: 03 May 2013 08:47
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

How many of us learnt SPSS on punched cards ? with fixed columns 1 & 16 and
maybe a two hour turnaround to discover one character was misplaced and you
had to re-punch the card. Plus new versions came around every 2-3 years and
that was when the bugs were fixed. Those of us with unusual/ non-standard
hardware ( in our case Honeywell GCOS ) had to wait for another site,
usually another university, to 'convert' the release tape and send it out;
you also hoped that there was no problem with the tape the software was
released on as it could take a month for the tape to cross the Atlantic. I
remember it took three attempts to get a tape that would work for one of the
releases.

Who says it was "the good old days" ?

Best Wishes

John S. Lemon
IT Services - Student Liaison Officer
University of Aberdeen
Edward Wright Building
Tel:  +44 1224 273350

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-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
David Marso
Sent: 03 May 2013 02:15
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

You guys all must be really old ;-)))
--

Swank, Paul R wrote
> Ahhh. I have somewhat mixed memories of version numbers!
>
> Dr. Paul R. Swank, Professor
> Health Promotion and Behavioral Sciences School of Public Health
> University of Texas Health Science Center Houston
>
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:

> SPSSX-L@.UGA

> ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:08 AM
> To:

> SPSSX-L@.UGA

> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> well I I guess I was reminiscing because Saturday I brought the first
> computer that was my own. A PDT 11/150 to the recycling center.
>
>
> I have old VAX BACKUP save sets. Someone transferred them from tape to
> DVD for me.  I am waiting until he  unpacks the save sets to windows
> files.
>
> Then I am going to literally pull the plug on my VAX.
>
>
> [How is the mention of tapes for bringing up painful memories?  Should
> I talk about 110 baud acoustic coupler modems?]
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/2/2013 9:19 AM, Pietrzak, Dale wrote:
> Are you folks trying to trigger a PTSD event for me?  I have worked
> diligently to forget those things - and "Pine."
>
> Dale Pietrzak, Ed.D., LPCMH, CCMHC
> Director, Office of Academic Evaluation and Assessment University of
> South Dakota Slagle Hall Room 102
> 414 East Clark Street
> 605-677-6497
>
>
>
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:

> SPSSX-L@.UGA

> ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:02 AM
> To:

> SPSSX-L@.UGA

> &lt;mailto:

> SPSSX-L@.UGA

> &gt;
> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> You are right.   I was confusing BITNET with ARPANET.
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/2/2013 8:53 AM, Mike Palij wrote:
> I think your memory might be off about BITNET.  Here is the Wikipedia
> entry on it which identifies that CUNY and Yale initiated it in 1981
> on IBM mainframes; see:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitnet
> And here is CREN's view of BITNET history:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/cren-hist-fut.html
> See also:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/history.html
>
> As for DECnet, see the Wikipedia entry here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decnet
> Although DECnet is identified as starting in 1974, it seems to me that
> it does not really connect to other networks until 1980-1982.
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University

> mp26@

> &lt;mailto:

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>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> &gt;
> To:

> SPSSX-L@.UGA

> &lt;mailto:

> SPSSX-L@.UGA

> &gt;
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:34 AM
> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> If I recall correctly, there was BITNET around 1978 and DECnet around
> 1976 although DECnet was more of a LAN.
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/1/2013 8:22 PM, Mike Palij [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
> You can start here and work your way forward:
>
> http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html
>
> If you're a real glutton for punishment, start at Usenet; see:
> http://groups.google.com/group/fa.unix-wizards/browse_thread/thread/20
> 478010e2f905e4/853b59715ae4b2ff?hl=en&q=usenet#853b59715ae4b2ff
>
> Sorry, I couldn't find anything from 1979 or earlier.
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University
> [hidden
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 7:40 PM
> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it
> again from the beginning?
>
> David, can you explain Martix all over again and what RTFM means and
> how often I should apply it?
> Art/Bruce can you teach me research design from the beginning?
> JonoH, please rewrite all my wants/dreams into a mashup of Python and
> SPSS Syntax.
>
> If we gotta start over, let's just get it all over with.
>
> *shotgun to head*
>
> ///
>
> Man, if I had to do a reboot on the internet and start over, I don't
> even know where I began.  In the beginning there was...?  Personal pages?
> Advertisements?  A restaurant?  I only remember animated gifs (flaming
> skulls), rainbow hr's, interlaced jpegs, and that damn fax-like noise.
> I don't really remember 'content' being a part of the original interwebs.
>
>
> ----
> [http://jrcresearch.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/sig.gif]
>
> J. R. Carroll
> Independent Researcher/Psychometrician through Hurtz Labs Research
> Methods, Test Development, and Statistics Python/WWW Developer
> www.jrcresearch.net&lt;http://www.jrcresearch.net/&gt;
> www.ontvp.com&lt;http://www.ontvp.com&gt;
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> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:29 PM, David Marso <[hidden
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> wrote:
> Perhaps all answers have been found.  The archives are complete.  Our
> work is done here.
> I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it
> again from the beginning?
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>
> bdates wrote
>> The ubiquitous 'they' are avoiding us!
>> ________________________________________
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>
>> ] on behalf of Bruce Weaver [
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>> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 4:50 PM
>> To:
>> [hidden
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>> Subject: Re: traffic
>>
>> I think it's just been a quiet day, Paul -- or at least it was until
>> all those vacation messages triggered by your post!  ;-)
>>
>> Perhaps everyone was busy watching the second leg of Barcelona v
>> Bayern Munich.  :-|
>>
>>    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22357630
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>>
>>
>> Swank, Paul R wrote
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Re: traffic

Art Kendall
In reply to this post by Lemon, John S.
When I first started using computers in 1970, we did not start with cards. We had Teletypes (TTYs) at 110 baud. Dial in was from each university department.
in 1971, I went to the computer and learned that "large" files could be put on cards rather than typed.
To create a file you had to have  cards to wrap around your file contents something like
$login 123456.1234
$password something
$deck filename.ext
data cards
$eod
This put the file in your directory.
If you put commands on cards they were identical to the commands you would put on the TTY.
Batch jobs like this could take up to 30 minutes until the printouts were available.

If you wanted to use magtape, it could be 4 to 6 minutes from the time you typed a MOUNT command until the tape was mounted and you could then read it or send a "rewind" or "skip" etc.

In 1972 SPSS was made available on DEC.  You had to key <tab> between the command and the options or just <tab> before continuations. I had a high speed (300baud) modem.

In 1973 I started to use other brands of computers one brand had this stuff call JCL.  On those systems everything was on cards.   (some of those systems were still working that way in 1990!  The faster places were 6 hours before you had a printout. If your data was on tape it could be overnight. It was about 25% of the total for a client to buy (computer time + consultant time) at a university or organization with a DEC system than it was to pay only for consultant time and use the free computer at their own universities.


 
 
Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants
On 5/3/2013 2:50 AM, Lemon, John S. [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
How many of us learnt SPSS on punched cards ? with fixed columns 1 & 16 and maybe a two hour turnaround to discover one character was misplaced and you had to re-punch the card. Plus new versions came around every 2-3 years and that was when the bugs were fixed. Those of us with unusual/ non-standard hardware ( in our case Honeywell GCOS ) had to wait for another site, usually another university, to 'convert' the release tape and send it out; you also hoped that there was no problem with the tape the software was released on as it could take a month for the tape to cross the Atlantic. I remember it took three attempts to get a tape that would work for one of the releases.

Who says it was "the good old days" ?

Best Wishes

John S. Lemon
IT Services - Student Liaison Officer
University of Aberdeen
Edward Wright Building
Tel:  +44 1224 273350

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-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Marso
Sent: 03 May 2013 02:15
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

You guys all must be really old ;-)))
--

Swank, Paul R wrote
> Ahhh. I have somewhat mixed memories of version numbers!
>
> Dr. Paul R. Swank, Professor
> Health Promotion and Behavioral Sciences School of Public Health
> University of Texas Health Science Center Houston
>
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:

> [hidden email]

> ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:08 AM
> To:

> [hidden email]

> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> well I I guess I was reminiscing because Saturday I brought the first
> computer that was my own. A PDT 11/150 to the recycling center.
>
>
> I have old VAX BACKUP save sets. Someone transferred them from tape to
> DVD for me.  I am waiting until he  unpacks the save sets to windows
> files.
>
> Then I am going to literally pull the plug on my VAX.
>
>
> [How is the mention of tapes for bringing up painful memories?  Should
> I talk about 110 baud acoustic coupler modems?]
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/2/2013 9:19 AM, Pietrzak, Dale wrote:
> Are you folks trying to trigger a PTSD event for me?  I have worked
> diligently to forget those things - and "Pine."
>
> Dale Pietrzak, Ed.D., LPCMH, CCMHC
> Director, Office of Academic Evaluation and Assessment University of
> South Dakota Slagle Hall Room 102
> 414 East Clark Street
> 605-677-6497
>
>
>
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:

> [hidden email]

> ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:02 AM
> To:

> [hidden email]

> &lt;mailto:

> [hidden email]

> &gt;
> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> You are right.   I was confusing BITNET with ARPANET.
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/2/2013 8:53 AM, Mike Palij wrote:
> I think your memory might be off about BITNET.  Here is the Wikipedia
> entry on it which identifies that CUNY and Yale initiated it in 1981
> on IBM mainframes; see:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitnet
> And here is CREN's view of BITNET history:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/cren-hist-fut.html
> See also:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/history.html
>
> As for DECnet, see the Wikipedia entry here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decnet
> Although DECnet is identified as starting in 1974, it seems to me that
> it does not really connect to other networks until 1980-1982.
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University

> mp26@

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> ----- Original Message -----
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> &gt;
> To:

> [hidden email]

> &lt;mailto:

> [hidden email]

> &gt;
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:34 AM
> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> If I recall correctly, there was BITNET around 1978 and DECnet around
> 1976 although DECnet was more of a LAN.
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/1/2013 8:22 PM, Mike Palij [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
> You can start here and work your way forward:
>
> http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html
>
> If you're a real glutton for punishment, start at Usenet; see:
> http://groups.google.com/group/fa.unix-wizards/browse_thread/thread/20
> 478010e2f905e4/853b59715ae4b2ff?hl=en&q=usenet#853b59715ae4b2ff
>
> Sorry, I couldn't find anything from 1979 or earlier.
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University
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> To: [hidden
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 7:40 PM
> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it
> again from the beginning?
>
> David, can you explain Martix all over again and what RTFM means and
> how often I should apply it?
> Art/Bruce can you teach me research design from the beginning?
> JonoH, please rewrite all my wants/dreams into a mashup of Python and
> SPSS Syntax.
>
> If we gotta start over, let's just get it all over with.
>
> *shotgun to head*
>
> ///
>
> Man, if I had to do a reboot on the internet and start over, I don't
> even know where I began.  In the beginning there was...?  Personal pages?
> Advertisements?  A restaurant?  I only remember animated gifs (flaming
> skulls), rainbow hr's, interlaced jpegs, and that damn fax-like noise.
> I don't really remember 'content' being a part of the original interwebs.
>
>
> ----
> [http://jrcresearch.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/sig.gif]
>
> J. R. Carroll
> Independent Researcher/Psychometrician through Hurtz Labs Research
> Methods, Test Development, and Statistics Python/WWW Developer
> www.jrcresearch.net&lt;http://www.jrcresearch.net/&gt;
> www.ontvp.com&lt;http://www.ontvp.com&gt;
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>
>
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:29 PM, David Marso <[hidden
> email]&lt;/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&amp;node=5719872&amp;i=6&gt;>
> wrote:
> Perhaps all answers have been found.  The archives are complete.  Our
> work is done here.
> I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it
> again from the beginning?
> --------------------------
>
> bdates wrote
>> The ubiquitous 'they' are avoiding us!
>> ________________________________________
>> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [
>> [hidden
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>
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I'm not that old, but the 2nd edition user's guide (purple cover) still sits
on a shelf above my desk and I don't think it's irrelevant today.  Oh, and
Art, it refers to running SPSS on VAX/VMS machines.

Did you know that ADD VALUE LABELS was an undocumented feature of SPSS
1.0?...developers get all the good stuff before mere users.

Cheers

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Subject: Re: traffic

You guys all must be really old ;-)))
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Swank, Paul R wrote
> Ahhh. I have somewhat mixed memories of version numbers!
>
> Dr. Paul R. Swank, Professor
> Health Promotion and Behavioral Sciences
> School of Public Health
> University of Texas Health Science Center Houston
>
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:

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> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:08 AM
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> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> well I I guess I was reminiscing because Saturday I brought the first
> computer that was my own. A PDT 11/150 to the recycling center.
>
>
> I have old VAX BACKUP save sets. Someone transferred them from tape to
> DVD for me.  I am waiting until he  unpacks the save sets to windows
> files.
>
> Then I am going to literally pull the plug on my VAX.
>
>
> [How is the mention of tapes for bringing up painful memories?  Should I
> talk about 110 baud acoustic coupler modems?]
>
>
>
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> Are you folks trying to trigger a PTSD event for me?  I have worked
> diligently to forget those things - and "Pine."
>
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> You are right.   I was confusing BITNET with ARPANET.
>
>
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> Art Kendall
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> On 5/2/2013 8:53 AM, Mike Palij wrote:
> I think your memory might be off about BITNET.  Here is the
> Wikipedia entry on it which identifies that CUNY and Yale
> initiated it in 1981 on IBM mainframes; see:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitnet
> And here is CREN's view of BITNET history:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/cren-hist-fut.html
> See also:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/history.html
>
> As for DECnet, see the Wikipedia entry here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decnet
> Although DECnet is identified as starting in 1974, it seems to
> me that it does not really connect to other networks until 1980-1982.
>
> -Mike Palij
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> If I recall correctly, there was BITNET around 1978 and DECnet around 1976
> although DECnet was more of a LAN.
>
>
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> On 5/1/2013 8:22 PM, Mike Palij [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
> You can start here and work your way forward:
>
> http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html
>
> If you're a real glutton for punishment, start at Usenet; see:
>
http://groups.google.com/group/fa.unix-wizards/browse_thread/thread/20478010
e2f905e4/853b59715ae4b2ff?hl=en&q=usenet#853b59715ae4b2ff

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> Sorry, I couldn't find anything from 1979 or earlier.
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> I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it again
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> David, can you explain Martix all over again and what RTFM means and how
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If you are still working with cards (or want to learn), I have an SPSS
manual from 1970 that might be useful.



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Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 2:49 AM
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Aah!  80-column Hollerith cards, commands in 1 -15, specs in 16 -70,
numbering 71-80 (in case someone dropped the tray).  All that JCL to add
before the job: for ICL machines one witty programmer produced a nursery
rhyme (does anyone still have a copy?) about the series of "Georges" we had
to learn every time a new operating system was released.

Two-hour turn-around?  That was about par for LSE in the early 1970s, but at
PNL we had to wait a whole day as we depended on a courier service between
campuses (unless we went over to computer services ourselves).  My unit had
a VDU connection to the CDC at ULCC, but it was two years before we even got
a single 2nd-hand card punch.  For students, everything went to data-prep at
computer services on coding sheets: erros were not discovered for 24 hours
and it was another 24 before they could be corrected.  We worked like this
for several years before our campus eventually got a computer lab with 16
remote VDUs, a fast server and a couple of line-printers.

We only found out about that a day before term started and we'd already
prepared class materials for the old system.  Typical senior management at
faculty and institutional level!

Even with the new system, we had to teach students VMS and EDT before they
could start on SPSS.  At first students kept exceeding their disk
allocations as every edition of every file was kept, but we fixed that by
restricting files to the two most recent editions.  Another problem was
students printing up every file, even with errors (think of all those
trees!). We fixed that with a wonderful front end which reported errors
immediately and went back to the point in the syntax file where the error
occurred.  In those days SPSS was not very good at identifying the actual
error, but at least it allowed the tutor to help if needed.  The front-end
also forced students to check their output before printing, thus saving at
least a few trees.

Mind you the courses speeded up immensely as students got immediate
feed-back and job turn-round.  Great for motivation: off they went in hot
pursuit of findings.

Even then I still taught students about fixed fields for both syntax and
data before tucking in to SPSS.  Even now I prefer syntax to the GUI for
most basic operations: I think students klearn and retain more this way.

At least we don't have to use coding sheets any more (see:
http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/uploads/2/9/9/8/2998485/1.3.3.2a_introducti
on_to_spss_syntax.pdf


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Sent: 03 May 2013 08:47
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Subject: Re: traffic

How many of us learnt SPSS on punched cards ? with fixed columns 1 & 16 and
maybe a two hour turnaround to discover one character was misplaced and you
had to re-punch the card. Plus new versions came around every 2-3 years and
that was when the bugs were fixed. Those of us with unusual/ non-standard
hardware ( in our case Honeywell GCOS ) had to wait for another site,
usually another university, to 'convert' the release tape and send it out;
you also hoped that there was no problem with the tape the software was
released on as it could take a month for the tape to cross the Atlantic. I
remember it took three attempts to get a tape that would work for one of the
releases.

Who says it was "the good old days" ?

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-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
David Marso
Sent: 03 May 2013 02:15
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

You guys all must be really old ;-)))
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Swank, Paul R wrote
> Ahhh. I have somewhat mixed memories of version numbers!
>
> Dr. Paul R. Swank, Professor
> Health Promotion and Behavioral Sciences School of Public Health
> University of Texas Health Science Center Houston
>
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:

> SPSSX-L@.UGA

> ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:08 AM
> To:

> SPSSX-L@.UGA

> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> well I I guess I was reminiscing because Saturday I brought the first
> computer that was my own. A PDT 11/150 to the recycling center.
>
>
> I have old VAX BACKUP save sets. Someone transferred them from tape to
> DVD for me.  I am waiting until he  unpacks the save sets to windows
> files.
>
> Then I am going to literally pull the plug on my VAX.
>
>
> [How is the mention of tapes for bringing up painful memories?  Should
> I talk about 110 baud acoustic coupler modems?]
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/2/2013 9:19 AM, Pietrzak, Dale wrote:
> Are you folks trying to trigger a PTSD event for me?  I have worked
> diligently to forget those things - and "Pine."
>
> Dale Pietrzak, Ed.D., LPCMH, CCMHC
> Director, Office of Academic Evaluation and Assessment University of
> South Dakota Slagle Hall Room 102
> 414 East Clark Street
> 605-677-6497
>
>
>
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:

> SPSSX-L@.UGA

> ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:02 AM
> To:

> SPSSX-L@.UGA

> &lt;mailto:

> SPSSX-L@.UGA

> &gt;
> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> You are right.   I was confusing BITNET with ARPANET.
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/2/2013 8:53 AM, Mike Palij wrote:
> I think your memory might be off about BITNET.  Here is the Wikipedia
> entry on it which identifies that CUNY and Yale initiated it in 1981
> on IBM mainframes; see:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitnet
> And here is CREN's view of BITNET history:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/cren-hist-fut.html
> See also:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/history.html
>
> As for DECnet, see the Wikipedia entry here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decnet
> Although DECnet is identified as starting in 1974, it seems to me that
> it does not really connect to other networks until 1980-1982.
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University

> mp26@

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> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:34 AM
> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> If I recall correctly, there was BITNET around 1978 and DECnet around
> 1976 although DECnet was more of a LAN.
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/1/2013 8:22 PM, Mike Palij [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
> You can start here and work your way forward:
>
> http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html
>
> If you're a real glutton for punishment, start at Usenet; see:
> http://groups.google.com/group/fa.unix-wizards/browse_thread/thread/20
> 478010e2f905e4/853b59715ae4b2ff?hl=en&q=usenet#853b59715ae4b2ff
>
> Sorry, I couldn't find anything from 1979 or earlier.
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University
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>
> I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it
> again from the beginning?
>
> David, can you explain Martix all over again and what RTFM means and
> how often I should apply it?
> Art/Bruce can you teach me research design from the beginning?
> JonoH, please rewrite all my wants/dreams into a mashup of Python and
> SPSS Syntax.
>
> If we gotta start over, let's just get it all over with.
>
> *shotgun to head*
>
> ///
>
> Man, if I had to do a reboot on the internet and start over, I don't
> even know where I began.  In the beginning there was...?  Personal pages?
> Advertisements?  A restaurant?  I only remember animated gifs (flaming
> skulls), rainbow hr's, interlaced jpegs, and that damn fax-like noise.
> I don't really remember 'content' being a part of the original interwebs.
>
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> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:29 PM, David Marso <[hidden
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> Perhaps all answers have been found.  The archives are complete.  Our
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> I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it
> again from the beginning?
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> bdates wrote
>> The ubiquitous 'they' are avoiding us!
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>> ] on behalf of Bruce Weaver [
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>> Subject: Re: traffic
>>
>> I think it's just been a quiet day, Paul -- or at least it was until
>> all those vacation messages triggered by your post!  ;-)
>>
>> Perhaps everyone was busy watching the second leg of Barcelona v
>> Bayern Munich.  :-|
>>
>>    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22357630
>>
>>
>>
>> Swank, Paul R wrote
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Re: traffic

Art Kendall
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That is the second edition of SPSSX.
Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants
On 5/3/2013 7:52 AM, King Douglas [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
I'm not that old, but the 2nd edition user's guide (purple cover) still sits
on a shelf above my desk and I don't think it's irrelevant today.  Oh, and
Art, it refers to running SPSS on VAX/VMS machines.

Did you know that ADD VALUE LABELS was an undocumented feature of SPSS
1.0?...developers get all the good stuff before mere users.

Cheers

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
David Marso
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:15 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

You guys all must be really old ;-)))
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Swank, Paul R wrote
> Ahhh. I have somewhat mixed memories of version numbers!
>
> Dr. Paul R. Swank, Professor
> Health Promotion and Behavioral Sciences
> School of Public Health
> University of Texas Health Science Center Houston
>
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:

> [hidden email]

> ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:08 AM
> To:

> [hidden email]

> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> well I I guess I was reminiscing because Saturday I brought the first
> computer that was my own. A PDT 11/150 to the recycling center.
>
>
> I have old VAX BACKUP save sets. Someone transferred them from tape to
> DVD for me.  I am waiting until he  unpacks the save sets to windows
> files.
>
> Then I am going to literally pull the plug on my VAX.
>
>
> [How is the mention of tapes for bringing up painful memories?  Should I
> talk about 110 baud acoustic coupler modems?]
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/2/2013 9:19 AM, Pietrzak, Dale wrote:
> Are you folks trying to trigger a PTSD event for me?  I have worked
> diligently to forget those things - and "Pine."
>
> Dale Pietrzak, Ed.D., LPCMH, CCMHC
> Director, Office of Academic Evaluation and Assessment
> University of South Dakota
> Slagle Hall Room 102
> 414 East Clark Street
> 605-677-6497
>
>
>
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:

> [hidden email]

> ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:02 AM
> To:

> [hidden email]

> &lt;mailto:

> [hidden email]

> &gt;
> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> You are right.   I was confusing BITNET with ARPANET.
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/2/2013 8:53 AM, Mike Palij wrote:
> I think your memory might be off about BITNET.  Here is the
> Wikipedia entry on it which identifies that CUNY and Yale
> initiated it in 1981 on IBM mainframes; see:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitnet
> And here is CREN's view of BITNET history:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/cren-hist-fut.html
> See also:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/history.html
>
> As for DECnet, see the Wikipedia entry here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decnet
> Although DECnet is identified as starting in 1974, it seems to
> me that it does not really connect to other networks until 1980-1982.
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University

> mp26@

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> Art@

> &gt;
> To:

> [hidden email]

> &lt;mailto:

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> &gt;
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:34 AM
> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> If I recall correctly, there was BITNET around 1978 and DECnet around 1976
> although DECnet was more of a LAN.
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/1/2013 8:22 PM, Mike Palij [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
> You can start here and work your way forward:
>
> http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html
>
> If you're a real glutton for punishment, start at Usenet; see:
>
http://groups.google.com/group/fa.unix-wizards/browse_thread/thread/20478010
e2f905e4/853b59715ae4b2ff?hl=en&q=usenet#853b59715ae4b2ff

>
> Sorry, I couldn't find anything from 1979 or earlier.
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 7:40 PM
> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it again
> from the beginning?
>
> David, can you explain Martix all over again and what RTFM means and how
> often I should apply it?
> Art/Bruce can you teach me research design from the beginning?
> JonoH, please rewrite all my wants/dreams into a mashup of Python and SPSS
> Syntax.
>
> If we gotta start over, let's just get it all over with.
>
> *shotgun to head*
>
> ///
>
> Man, if I had to do a reboot on the internet and start over, I don't even
> know where I began.  In the beginning there was...?  Personal pages?
> Advertisements?  A restaurant?  I only remember animated gifs (flaming
> skulls), rainbow hr's, interlaced jpegs, and that damn fax-like noise.  I
> don't really remember 'content' being a part of the original interwebs.
>
>
> ----
> [http://jrcresearch.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/sig.gif]
>
> J. R. Carroll
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> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:29 PM, David Marso <[hidden
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> wrote:
> Perhaps all answers have been found.  The archives are complete.  Our work
> is
> done here.
> I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it again
> from the beginning?
> --------------------------
>
> bdates wrote
>> The ubiquitous 'they' are avoiding us!
>> ________________________________________
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>> ] on behalf of Bruce Weaver [
>
>> bruce.weaver@
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>> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 4:50 PM
>> To:
>> [hidden
>> email]&lt;/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&amp;node=5719878&amp;i=1&gt;
>
>> Subject: Re: traffic
>>
>> I think it's just been a quiet day, Paul -- or at least it was until all
>> those vacation messages triggered by your post!  ;-)
>>
>> Perhaps everyone was busy watching the second leg of Barcelona v Bayern
>> Munich.  :-|
>>
>>    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22357630
>>
>>
>>
>> Swank, Paul R wrote
>>> I have received no messages on the listserve today. ANybody else have
>>> this
>>> problem?
>>>
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>>> School of Public Health
>>> University of Texas Health Science Center Houston
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>
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>>
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On 5/3/2013 7:54 AM, King Douglas [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
If you are still working with cards (or want to learn), I have an SPSS
manual from 1970 that might be useful.



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John F Hall
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 2:49 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

Aah!  80-column Hollerith cards, commands in 1 -15, specs in 16 -70,
numbering 71-80 (in case someone dropped the tray).  All that JCL to add
before the job: for ICL machines one witty programmer produced a nursery
rhyme (does anyone still have a copy?) about the series of "Georges" we had
to learn every time a new operating system was released.

Two-hour turn-around?  That was about par for LSE in the early 1970s, but at
PNL we had to wait a whole day as we depended on a courier service between
campuses (unless we went over to computer services ourselves).  My unit had
a VDU connection to the CDC at ULCC, but it was two years before we even got
a single 2nd-hand card punch.  For students, everything went to data-prep at
computer services on coding sheets: erros were not discovered for 24 hours
and it was another 24 before they could be corrected.  We worked like this
for several years before our campus eventually got a computer lab with 16
remote VDUs, a fast server and a couple of line-printers.

We only found out about that a day before term started and we'd already
prepared class materials for the old system.  Typical senior management at
faculty and institutional level!

Even with the new system, we had to teach students VMS and EDT before they
could start on SPSS.  At first students kept exceeding their disk
allocations as every edition of every file was kept, but we fixed that by
restricting files to the two most recent editions.  Another problem was
students printing up every file, even with errors (think of all those
trees!). We fixed that with a wonderful front end which reported errors
immediately and went back to the point in the syntax file where the error
occurred.  In those days SPSS was not very good at identifying the actual
error, but at least it allowed the tutor to help if needed.  The front-end
also forced students to check their output before printing, thus saving at
least a few trees.

Mind you the courses speeded up immensely as students got immediate
feed-back and job turn-round.  Great for motivation: off they went in hot
pursuit of findings.

Even then I still taught students about fixed fields for both syntax and
data before tucking in to SPSS.  Even now I prefer syntax to the GUI for
most basic operations: I think students klearn and retain more this way.

At least we don't have to use coding sheets any more (see:
http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/uploads/2/9/9/8/2998485/1.3.3.2a_introducti
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Sent: 03 May 2013 08:47
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Subject: Re: traffic

How many of us learnt SPSS on punched cards ? with fixed columns 1 & 16 and
maybe a two hour turnaround to discover one character was misplaced and you
had to re-punch the card. Plus new versions came around every 2-3 years and
that was when the bugs were fixed. Those of us with unusual/ non-standard
hardware ( in our case Honeywell GCOS ) had to wait for another site,
usually another university, to 'convert' the release tape and send it out;
you also hoped that there was no problem with the tape the software was
released on as it could take a month for the tape to cross the Atlantic. I
remember it took three attempts to get a tape that would work for one of the
releases.

Who says it was "the good old days" ?

Best Wishes

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David Marso
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Subject: Re: traffic

You guys all must be really old ;-)))
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Swank, Paul R wrote
> Ahhh. I have somewhat mixed memories of version numbers!
>
> Dr. Paul R. Swank, Professor
> Health Promotion and Behavioral Sciences School of Public Health
> University of Texas Health Science Center Houston
>
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:

> [hidden email]

> ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:08 AM
> To:

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> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> well I I guess I was reminiscing because Saturday I brought the first
> computer that was my own. A PDT 11/150 to the recycling center.
>
>
> I have old VAX BACKUP save sets. Someone transferred them from tape to
> DVD for me.  I am waiting until he  unpacks the save sets to windows
> files.
>
> Then I am going to literally pull the plug on my VAX.
>
>
> [How is the mention of tapes for bringing up painful memories?  Should
> I talk about 110 baud acoustic coupler modems?]
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
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> On 5/2/2013 9:19 AM, Pietrzak, Dale wrote:
> Are you folks trying to trigger a PTSD event for me?  I have worked
> diligently to forget those things - and "Pine."
>
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> Director, Office of Academic Evaluation and Assessment University of
> South Dakota Slagle Hall Room 102
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>
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>
> You are right.   I was confusing BITNET with ARPANET.
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
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> On 5/2/2013 8:53 AM, Mike Palij wrote:
> I think your memory might be off about BITNET.  Here is the Wikipedia
> entry on it which identifies that CUNY and Yale initiated it in 1981
> on IBM mainframes; see:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitnet
> And here is CREN's view of BITNET history:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/cren-hist-fut.html
> See also:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/history.html
>
> As for DECnet, see the Wikipedia entry here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decnet
> Although DECnet is identified as starting in 1974, it seems to me that
> it does not really connect to other networks until 1980-1982.
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University

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> If I recall correctly, there was BITNET around 1978 and DECnet around
> 1976 although DECnet was more of a LAN.
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
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> On 5/1/2013 8:22 PM, Mike Palij [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
> You can start here and work your way forward:
>
> http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html
>
> If you're a real glutton for punishment, start at Usenet; see:
> http://groups.google.com/group/fa.unix-wizards/browse_thread/thread/20
> 478010e2f905e4/853b59715ae4b2ff?hl=en&q=usenet#853b59715ae4b2ff
>
> Sorry, I couldn't find anything from 1979 or earlier.
>
> -Mike Palij
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>
> I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it
> again from the beginning?
>
> David, can you explain Martix all over again and what RTFM means and
> how often I should apply it?
> Art/Bruce can you teach me research design from the beginning?
> JonoH, please rewrite all my wants/dreams into a mashup of Python and
> SPSS Syntax.
>
> If we gotta start over, let's just get it all over with.
>
> *shotgun to head*
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> ///
>
> Man, if I had to do a reboot on the internet and start over, I don't
> even know where I began.  In the beginning there was...?  Personal pages?
> Advertisements?  A restaurant?  I only remember animated gifs (flaming
> skulls), rainbow hr's, interlaced jpegs, and that damn fax-like noise.
> I don't really remember 'content' being a part of the original interwebs.
>
>
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>> The ubiquitous 'they' are avoiding us!
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>>
>> I think it's just been a quiet day, Paul -- or at least it was until
>> all those vacation messages triggered by your post!  ;-)
>>
>> Perhaps everyone was busy watching the second leg of Barcelona v
>> Bayern Munich.  :-|
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>>
>>
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Like what?

 

King

 

From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 7:10 AM
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did it look like this?

Art Kendall
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On 5/3/2013 7:54 AM, King Douglas [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:

If you are still working with cards (or want to learn), I have an SPSS
manual from 1970 that might be useful.



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Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 2:49 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

Aah!  80-column Hollerith cards, commands in 1 -15, specs in 16 -70,
numbering 71-80 (in case someone dropped the tray).  All that JCL to add
before the job: for ICL machines one witty programmer produced a nursery
rhyme (does anyone still have a copy?) about the series of "Georges" we had
to learn every time a new operating system was released.

Two-hour turn-around?  That was about par for LSE in the early 1970s, but at
PNL we had to wait a whole day as we depended on a courier service between
campuses (unless we went over to computer services ourselves).  My unit had
a VDU connection to the CDC at ULCC, but it was two years before we even got
a single 2nd-hand card punch.  For students, everything went to data-prep at
computer services on coding sheets: erros were not discovered for 24 hours
and it was another 24 before they could be corrected.  We worked like this
for several years before our campus eventually got a computer lab with 16
remote VDUs, a fast server and a couple of line-printers.

We only found out about that a day before term started and we'd already
prepared class materials for the old system.  Typical senior management at
faculty and institutional level!

Even with the new system, we had to teach students VMS and EDT before they
could start on SPSS.  At first students kept exceeding their disk
allocations as every edition of every file was kept, but we fixed that by
restricting files to the two most recent editions.  Another problem was
students printing up every file, even with errors (think of all those
trees!). We fixed that with a wonderful front end which reported errors
immediately and went back to the point in the syntax file where the error
occurred.  In those days SPSS was not very good at identifying the actual
error, but at least it allowed the tutor to help if needed.  The front-end
also forced students to check their output before printing, thus saving at
least a few trees.

Mind you the courses speeded up immensely as students got immediate
feed-back and job turn-round.  Great for motivation: off they went in hot
pursuit of findings.

Even then I still taught students about fixed fields for both syntax and
data before tucking in to SPSS.  Even now I prefer syntax to the GUI for
most basic operations: I think students klearn and retain more this way.

At least we don't have to use coding sheets any more (see:
http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/uploads/2/9/9/8/2998485/1.3.3.2a_introducti
on_to_spss_syntax.pdf


John F Hall (Mr)
[Retired academic survey researcher]

Email:   [hidden email]
Website: www.surveyresearch.weebly.com
Start page:  www.surveyresearch.weebly.com/spss-without-tears.html







-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Lemon, John
Sent: 03 May 2013 08:47
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

How many of us learnt SPSS on punched cards ? with fixed columns 1 & 16 and
maybe a two hour turnaround to discover one character was misplaced and you
had to re-punch the card. Plus new versions came around every 2-3 years and
that was when the bugs were fixed. Those of us with unusual/ non-standard
hardware ( in our case Honeywell GCOS ) had to wait for another site,
usually another university, to 'convert' the release tape and send it out;
you also hoped that there was no problem with the tape the software was
released on as it could take a month for the tape to cross the Atlantic. I
remember it took three attempts to get a tape that would work for one of the
releases.

Who says it was "the good old days" ?

Best Wishes

John S. Lemon
IT Services - Student Liaison Officer
University of Aberdeen
Edward Wright Building
Tel:  +44 1224 273350

DIT news for Students

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
David Marso
Sent: 03 May 2013 02:15
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

You guys all must be really old ;-)))
--

Swank, Paul R wrote
> Ahhh. I have somewhat mixed memories of version numbers!
>
> Dr. Paul R. Swank, Professor
> Health Promotion and Behavioral Sciences School of Public Health
> University of Texas Health Science Center Houston
>
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:

> [hidden email]

> ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:08 AM
> To:


> [hidden email]


> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> well I I guess I was reminiscing because Saturday I brought the first
> computer that was my own. A PDT 11/150 to the recycling center.
>
>
> I have old VAX BACKUP save sets. Someone transferred them from tape to
> DVD for me.  I am waiting until he  unpacks the save sets to windows
> files.
>
> Then I am going to literally pull the plug on my VAX.
>
>
> [How is the mention of tapes for bringing up painful memories?  Should
> I talk about 110 baud acoustic coupler modems?]
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/2/2013 9:19 AM, Pietrzak, Dale wrote:
> Are you folks trying to trigger a PTSD event for me?  I have worked
> diligently to forget those things - and "Pine."
>
> Dale Pietrzak, Ed.D., LPCMH, CCMHC
> Director, Office of Academic Evaluation and Assessment University of
> South Dakota Slagle Hall Room 102
> 414 East Clark Street
> 605-677-6497
>
>
>
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:


> [hidden email]


> ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:02 AM
> To:

> [hidden email]

> &lt;mailto:

> [hidden email]


> &gt;
> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> You are right.   I was confusing BITNET with ARPANET.
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/2/2013 8:53 AM, Mike Palij wrote:
> I think your memory might be off about BITNET.  Here is the Wikipedia
> entry on it which identifies that CUNY and Yale initiated it in 1981
> on IBM mainframes; see:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitnet
> And here is CREN's view of BITNET history:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/cren-hist-fut.html
> See also:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/history.html
>
> As for DECnet, see the Wikipedia entry here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decnet
> Although DECnet is identified as starting in 1974, it seems to me that
> it does not really connect to other networks until 1980-1982.
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University


> mp26@


> &lt;mailto:

> mp26@

> &gt;
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Art Kendall&lt;mailto:

> Art@

> &gt;
> To:

> [hidden email]

> &lt;mailto:

> [hidden email]


> &gt;
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:34 AM
> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> If I recall correctly, there was BITNET around 1978 and DECnet around
> 1976 although DECnet was more of a LAN.
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/1/2013 8:22 PM, Mike Palij [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
> You can start here and work your way forward:
>
> http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html
>
> If you're a real glutton for punishment, start at Usenet; see:
> http://groups.google.com/group/fa.unix-wizards/browse_thread/thread/20
> 478010e2f905e4/853b59715ae4b2ff?hl=en&q=usenet#853b59715ae4b2ff
>
> Sorry, I couldn't find anything from 1979 or earlier.
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University
> [hidden
> email]&lt;/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&amp;node=5719872&amp;i=0&gt;
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: [hidden
> email]&lt;/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&amp;node=5719872&amp;i=1&gt;
> To: [hidden
> email]&lt;/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&amp;node=5719872&amp;i=2&gt;
> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 7:40 PM
> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it
> again from the beginning?
>
> David, can you explain Martix all over again and what RTFM means and
> how often I should apply it?
> Art/Bruce can you teach me research design from the beginning?
> JonoH, please rewrite all my wants/dreams into a mashup of Python and
> SPSS Syntax.
>
> If we gotta start over, let's just get it all over with.
>
> *shotgun to head*
>
> ///
>
> Man, if I had to do a reboot on the internet and start over, I don't
> even know where I began.  In the beginning there was...?  Personal pages?
> Advertisements?  A restaurant?  I only remember animated gifs (flaming
> skulls), rainbow hr's, interlaced jpegs, and that damn fax-like noise.
> I don't really remember 'content' being a part of the original interwebs.
>
>
> ----
> [http://jrcresearch.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/sig.gif]
>
> J. R. Carroll
> Independent Researcher/Psychometrician through Hurtz Labs Research
> Methods, Test Development, and Statistics Python/WWW Developer
> www.jrcresearch.net&lt;http://www.jrcresearch.net/&gt;
> www.ontvp.com&lt;http://www.ontvp.com&gt;
> Cell:  (650) 776-6613
> Email: [hidden
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> [http://officeimg.vo.msecnd.net/en-us/files/914/697/ZA102637861.gif]&l
> t;https://www.facebook.com/J.R.Car&gt;[http://officeimg.vo.msecnd.net/
> en-us/files/918/121/ZA102637858.gif]&lt;https://twitter.com/jNammer&gt
> ;[http://officeimg.vo.msecnd.net/en-us/files/739/234/ZA102637857.gif]&
> lt;http://www.linkedin.com/in/jrcarroll&gt;
>
>
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:29 PM, David Marso <[hidden
> email]&lt;/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&amp;node=5719872&amp;i=6&gt;>
> wrote:
> Perhaps all answers have been found.  The archives are complete.  Our
> work is done here.
> I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it
> again from the beginning?
> --------------------------
>
> bdates wrote
>> The ubiquitous 'they' are avoiding us!
>> ________________________________________
>> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [
>> [hidden
>> email]&lt;/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&amp;node=5719878&amp;i=0&gt;
>
>> ] on behalf of Bruce Weaver [
>
>> bruce.weaver@
>> ]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 4:50 PM
>> To:
>> [hidden
>> email]&lt;/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&amp;node=5719878&amp;i=1&gt;
>
>> Subject: Re: traffic
>>
>> I think it's just been a quiet day, Paul -- or at least it was until
>> all those vacation messages triggered by your post!  ;-)
>>
>> Perhaps everyone was busy watching the second leg of Barcelona v
>> Bayern Munich.  :-|
>>
>>    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22357630
>>
>>
>>
>> Swank, Paul R wrote
>>> I have received no messages on the listserve today. ANybody else
>>> have this problem?
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>>
>>
>>
>> -----
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>
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>> http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/
>
>>
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I have only been using Nabble recently. I thought we could add attachments, but I guess they did not come through.
Ah how much easier it would be if UGA used newer versions of LISTSERV!
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On 5/3/2013 8:39 AM, King Douglas [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:

Like what?

 

King

 

From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 7:10 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

 

did it look like this?

Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants

On 5/3/2013 7:54 AM, King Douglas [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:

If you are still working with cards (or want to learn), I have an SPSS
manual from 1970 that might be useful.



-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
John F Hall
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 2:49 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

Aah!  80-column Hollerith cards, commands in 1 -15, specs in 16 -70,
numbering 71-80 (in case someone dropped the tray).  All that JCL to add
before the job: for ICL machines one witty programmer produced a nursery
rhyme (does anyone still have a copy?) about the series of "Georges" we had
to learn every time a new operating system was released.

Two-hour turn-around?  That was about par for LSE in the early 1970s, but at
PNL we had to wait a whole day as we depended on a courier service between
campuses (unless we went over to computer services ourselves).  My unit had
a VDU connection to the CDC at ULCC, but it was two years before we even got
a single 2nd-hand card punch.  For students, everything went to data-prep at
computer services on coding sheets: erros were not discovered for 24 hours
and it was another 24 before they could be corrected.  We worked like this
for several years before our campus eventually got a computer lab with 16
remote VDUs, a fast server and a couple of line-printers.

We only found out about that a day before term started and we'd already
prepared class materials for the old system.  Typical senior management at
faculty and institutional level!

Even with the new system, we had to teach students VMS and EDT before they
could start on SPSS.  At first students kept exceeding their disk
allocations as every edition of every file was kept, but we fixed that by
restricting files to the two most recent editions.  Another problem was
students printing up every file, even with errors (think of all those
trees!). We fixed that with a wonderful front end which reported errors
immediately and went back to the point in the syntax file where the error
occurred.  In those days SPSS was not very good at identifying the actual
error, but at least it allowed the tutor to help if needed.  The front-end
also forced students to check their output before printing, thus saving at
least a few trees.

Mind you the courses speeded up immensely as students got immediate
feed-back and job turn-round.  Great for motivation: off they went in hot
pursuit of findings.

Even then I still taught students about fixed fields for both syntax and
data before tucking in to SPSS.  Even now I prefer syntax to the GUI for
most basic operations: I think students klearn and retain more this way.

At least we don't have to use coding sheets any more (see:
http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/uploads/2/9/9/8/2998485/1.3.3.2a_introducti
on_to_spss_syntax.pdf


John F Hall (Mr)
[Retired academic survey researcher]

Email:   [hidden email]
Website: www.surveyresearch.weebly.com
Start page:  www.surveyresearch.weebly.com/spss-without-tears.html







-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Lemon, John
Sent: 03 May 2013 08:47
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

How many of us learnt SPSS on punched cards ? with fixed columns 1 & 16 and
maybe a two hour turnaround to discover one character was misplaced and you
had to re-punch the card. Plus new versions came around every 2-3 years and
that was when the bugs were fixed. Those of us with unusual/ non-standard
hardware ( in our case Honeywell GCOS ) had to wait for another site,
usually another university, to 'convert' the release tape and send it out;
you also hoped that there was no problem with the tape the software was
released on as it could take a month for the tape to cross the Atlantic. I
remember it took three attempts to get a tape that would work for one of the
releases.

Who says it was "the good old days" ?

Best Wishes

John S. Lemon
IT Services - Student Liaison Officer
University of Aberdeen
Edward Wright Building
Tel:  +44 1224 273350

DIT news for Students

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
David Marso
Sent: 03 May 2013 02:15
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

You guys all must be really old ;-)))
--

Swank, Paul R wrote
> Ahhh. I have somewhat mixed memories of version numbers!
>
> Dr. Paul R. Swank, Professor
> Health Promotion and Behavioral Sciences School of Public Health
> University of Texas Health Science Center Houston
>
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:

> [hidden email]

> ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:08 AM
> To:


> [hidden email]


> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> well I I guess I was reminiscing because Saturday I brought the first
> computer that was my own. A PDT 11/150 to the recycling center.
>
>
> I have old VAX BACKUP save sets. Someone transferred them from tape to
> DVD for me.  I am waiting until he  unpacks the save sets to windows
> files.
>
> Then I am going to literally pull the plug on my VAX.
>
>
> [How is the mention of tapes for bringing up painful memories?  Should
> I talk about 110 baud acoustic coupler modems?]
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/2/2013 9:19 AM, Pietrzak, Dale wrote:
> Are you folks trying to trigger a PTSD event for me?  I have worked
> diligently to forget those things - and "Pine."
>
> Dale Pietrzak, Ed.D., LPCMH, CCMHC
> Director, Office of Academic Evaluation and Assessment University of
> South Dakota Slagle Hall Room 102
> 414 East Clark Street
> 605-677-6497
>
>
>
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:


> [hidden email]


> ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:02 AM
> To:

> [hidden email]

> &lt;mailto:

> [hidden email]


> &gt;
> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> You are right.   I was confusing BITNET with ARPANET.
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/2/2013 8:53 AM, Mike Palij wrote:
> I think your memory might be off about BITNET.  Here is the Wikipedia
> entry on it which identifies that CUNY and Yale initiated it in 1981
> on IBM mainframes; see:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitnet
> And here is CREN's view of BITNET history:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/cren-hist-fut.html
> See also:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/history.html
>
> As for DECnet, see the Wikipedia entry here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decnet
> Although DECnet is identified as starting in 1974, it seems to me that
> it does not really connect to other networks until 1980-1982.
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University


> mp26@


> &lt;mailto:

> mp26@

> &gt;
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Art Kendall&lt;mailto:

> Art@

> &gt;
> To:

> [hidden email]

> &lt;mailto:

> [hidden email]


> &gt;
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:34 AM
> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> If I recall correctly, there was BITNET around 1978 and DECnet around
> 1976 although DECnet was more of a LAN.
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/1/2013 8:22 PM, Mike Palij [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
> You can start here and work your way forward:
>
> http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html
>
> If you're a real glutton for punishment, start at Usenet; see:
> http://groups.google.com/group/fa.unix-wizards/browse_thread/thread/20
> 478010e2f905e4/853b59715ae4b2ff?hl=en&q=usenet#853b59715ae4b2ff
>
> Sorry, I couldn't find anything from 1979 or earlier.
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University
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>
> I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it
> again from the beginning?
>
> David, can you explain Martix all over again and what RTFM means and
> how often I should apply it?
> Art/Bruce can you teach me research design from the beginning?
> JonoH, please rewrite all my wants/dreams into a mashup of Python and
> SPSS Syntax.
>
> If we gotta start over, let's just get it all over with.
>
> *shotgun to head*
>
> ///
>
> Man, if I had to do a reboot on the internet and start over, I don't
> even know where I began.  In the beginning there was...?  Personal pages?
> Advertisements?  A restaurant?  I only remember animated gifs (flaming
> skulls), rainbow hr's, interlaced jpegs, and that damn fax-like noise.
> I don't really remember 'content' being a part of the original interwebs.
>
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> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:29 PM, David Marso <[hidden
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> Perhaps all answers have been found.  The archives are complete.  Our
> work is done here.
> I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it
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> bdates wrote
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>> I think it's just been a quiet day, Paul -- or at least it was until
>> all those vacation messages triggered by your post!  ;-)
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>> Perhaps everyone was busy watching the second leg of Barcelona v
>> Bayern Munich.  :-|
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The attachments are there, but only available if one reads via Nabble.  Those who are not using Nabble can see Art's post (with attachments at the bottom) here:

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Art Kendall wrote
I have
          only been using Nabble recently. I thought we could add attachments,
      but I guess they did not come through.
      Ah how much easier it would be if UGA used newer versions of
      LISTSERV!
      Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants
      On 5/3/2013 8:39 AM, King Douglas [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
   
   
     
     
     
     
        Like
            what?
         
        King
         
       
          From:
              SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto: [hidden
                email] ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
              Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 7:10 AM
              To: [hidden
                email]
              Subject: Re: traffic
       
         
       
          did it
              look like this?
           
           
          Art Kendall
          Social Research Consultants
          On 5/3/2013 7:54 AM, King Douglas [via
            SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
       
       
          If you are still working with cards (or
            want to learn), I have an SPSS
            manual from 1970 that might be useful.
           
           
           
            -----Original Message-----
            From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto: [hidden
              email] ] On Behalf Of
            John F Hall
            Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 2:49 AM
            To: [hidden
              email]  
            Subject: Re: traffic
           
            Aah!  80-column Hollerith cards, commands in 1 -15, specs in
            16 -70,
            numbering 71-80 (in case someone dropped the tray).  All
            that JCL to add
            before the job: for ICL machines one witty programmer
            produced a nursery
            rhyme (does anyone still have a copy?) about the series of
            "Georges" we had
            to learn every time a new operating system was released.
           
            Two-hour turn-around?  That was about par for LSE in the
            early 1970s, but at
            PNL we had to wait a whole day as we depended on a courier
            service between
            campuses (unless we went over to computer services
            ourselves).  My unit had
            a VDU connection to the CDC at ULCC, but it was two years
            before we even got
            a single 2nd-hand card punch.  For students, everything went
            to data-prep at
            computer services on coding sheets: erros were not
            discovered for 24 hours
            and it was another 24 before they could be corrected.  We
            worked like this
            for several years before our campus eventually got a
            computer lab with 16
            remote VDUs, a fast server and a couple of line-printers.
           
            We only found out about that a day before term started and
            we'd already
            prepared class materials for the old system.  Typical senior
            management at
            faculty and institutional level!
           
            Even with the new system, we had to teach students VMS and
            EDT before they
            could start on SPSS.  At first students kept exceeding their
            disk
            allocations as every edition of every file was kept, but we
            fixed that by
            restricting files to the two most recent editions.  Another
            problem was
            students printing up every file, even with errors (think of
            all those
            trees!). We fixed that with a wonderful front end which
            reported errors
            immediately and went back to the point in the syntax file
            where the error
            occurred.  In those days SPSS was not very good at
            identifying the actual
            error, but at least it allowed the tutor to help if needed.
             The front-end
            also forced students to check their output before printing,
            thus saving at
            least a few trees.
           
            Mind you the courses speeded up immensely as students got
            immediate
            feed-back and job turn-round.  Great for motivation: off
            they went in hot
            pursuit of findings.
           
            Even then I still taught students about fixed fields for
            both syntax and
            data before tucking in to SPSS.  Even now I prefer syntax to
            the GUI for
            most basic operations: I think students klearn and retain
            more this way.
           
            At least we don't have to use coding sheets any more (see:
            http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/uploads/2/9/9/8/2998485/1.3.3.2a_introducti 
            on_to_spss_syntax.pdf
           
           
            John F Hall (Mr)
            [Retired academic survey researcher]
           
            Email:   [hidden
              email]  
            Website: www.surveyresearch.weebly.com
           
            Start page:   www.surveyresearch.weebly.com/spss-without-tears.html
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
            -----Original Message-----
            From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto: [hidden
              email] ] On Behalf Of
            Lemon, John
            Sent: 03 May 2013 08:47
            To: [hidden
              email]  
            Subject: Re: traffic
           
            How many of us learnt SPSS on punched cards ? with fixed
            columns 1 & 16 and
            maybe a two hour turnaround to discover one character was
            misplaced and you
            had to re-punch the card. Plus new versions came around
            every 2-3 years and
            that was when the bugs were fixed. Those of us with unusual/
            non-standard
            hardware ( in our case Honeywell GCOS ) had to wait for
            another site,
            usually another university, to 'convert' the release tape
            and send it out;
            you also hoped that there was no problem with the tape the
            software was
            released on as it could take a month for the tape to cross
            the Atlantic. I
            remember it took three attempts to get a tape that would
            work for one of the
            releases.
           
            Who says it was "the good old days" ?
           
            Best Wishes
           
            John S. Lemon
            IT Services - Student Liaison Officer
            University of Aberdeen
            Edward Wright Building
            Tel:  +44 1224 273350
           
            DIT news for Students
           
            -----Original Message-----
            From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto: [hidden
              email] ] On Behalf Of
            David Marso
            Sent: 03 May 2013 02:15
            To: [hidden
              email]  
            Subject: Re: traffic
           
            You guys all must be really old ;-)))
            --
           
            Swank, Paul R wrote
            > Ahhh. I have somewhat mixed memories of version
            numbers!
            >
            > Dr. Paul R. Swank, Professor
            > Health Promotion and Behavioral Sciences School of
            Public Health
            > University of Texas Health Science Center Houston
            >
            > From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:
           
            > [hidden
              email]  
           
            > ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
            > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:08 AM
            > To:
         
         
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                > Subject: Re: traffic
                >
                > well I I guess I was reminiscing because Saturday I
                brought the first
                > computer that was my own. A PDT 11/150 to the
                recycling center.
                >
                >
                > I have old VAX BACKUP save sets. Someone
                transferred them from tape to
                > DVD for me.  I am waiting until he  unpacks the
                save sets to windows
                > files.
                >
                > Then I am going to literally pull the plug on my
                VAX.
                >
                >
                > [How is the mention of tapes for bringing up
                painful memories?  Should
                > I talk about 110 baud acoustic coupler modems?]
                >
                >
                >
                > Art Kendall
                >
                > Social Research Consultants
                > On 5/2/2013 9:19 AM, Pietrzak, Dale wrote:
                > Are you folks trying to trigger a PTSD event for
                me?  I have worked
                > diligently to forget those things - and "Pine."
                >
                > Dale Pietrzak, Ed.D., LPCMH, CCMHC
                > Director, Office of Academic Evaluation and
                Assessment University of
                > South Dakota Slagle Hall Room 102
                > 414 East Clark Street
                > 605-677-6497
                >
                >
                >
                > From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:
           
           
              > [hidden
                email]  
         
         
          > ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
          > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:02 AM
          > To:
         
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                > &gt;
                > Subject: Re: traffic
                >
                > You are right.   I was confusing BITNET with
                ARPANET.
                >
                >
                >
                > Art Kendall
                >
                > Social Research Consultants
                > On 5/2/2013 8:53 AM, Mike Palij wrote:
                > I think your memory might be off about BITNET.
                 Here is the Wikipedia
                > entry on it which identifies that CUNY and Yale
                initiated it in 1981
                > on IBM mainframes; see:
                > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitnet 
                > And here is CREN's view of BITNET history:
                > http://www.cren.net/cren/cren-hist-fut.html 
                > See also:
                > http://www.cren.net/cren/history.html 
                >
                > As for DECnet, see the Wikipedia entry here:
                > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decnet 
                > Although DECnet is identified as starting in 1974,
                it seems to me that
                > it does not really connect to other networks until
                1980-1982.
                >
                > -Mike Palij
                > New York University
           
           
              > mp26@
         
         
          > &lt;mailto:
         
          > mp26@
         
          > &gt;
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: Art Kendall&lt;mailto:
         
          > Art@
         
          > &gt;
          > To:
         
          > [hidden email]
         
         
          > &lt;mailto:
         
            > [hidden
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                > &gt;
                > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:34 AM
                > Subject: Re: traffic
                >
                > If I recall correctly, there was BITNET around 1978
                and DECnet around
                > 1976 although DECnet was more of a LAN.
                >
                >
                >
                > Art Kendall
                >
                > Social Research Consultants
                > On 5/1/2013 8:22 PM, Mike Palij [via SPSSX
                Discussion] wrote:
                > You can start here and work your way forward:
                >
                > http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html 
                >
                > If you're a real glutton for punishment, start at
                Usenet; see:
                > http://groups.google.com/group/fa.unix-wizards/browse_thread/thread/20 
                >
                478010e2f905e4/853b59715ae4b2ff?hl=en&q=usenet#853b59715ae4b2ff
               
                >
                > Sorry, I couldn't find anything from 1979 or
                earlier.
                >
                > -Mike Palij
                > New York University
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                > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 7:40 PM
                > Subject: Re: traffic
                >
                > I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I
                start reading it
                > again from the beginning?
                >
                > David, can you explain Martix all over again and
                what RTFM means and
                > how often I should apply it?
                > Art/Bruce can you teach me research design from the
                beginning?
                > JonoH, please rewrite all my wants/dreams into a
                mashup of Python and
                > SPSS Syntax.
                >
                > If we gotta start over, let's just get it all over
                with.
                >
                > *shotgun to head*
                >
                > ///
                >
                > Man, if I had to do a reboot on the internet and
                start over, I don't
                > even know where I began.  In the beginning there
                was...?  Personal pages?
                > Advertisements?  A restaurant?  I only remember
                animated gifs (flaming
                > skulls), rainbow hr's, interlaced jpegs, and that
                damn fax-like noise.
                > I don't really remember 'content' being a part of
                the original interwebs.
                >
                >
                > ----
                > [ http://jrcresearch.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/sig.gif ]
               
                >
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                > Cell:  (650) 776-6613
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                <[hidden
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                > Perhaps all answers have been found.  The archives
                are complete.  Our
                > work is done here.
                > I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I
                start reading it
                > again from the beginning?
                > --------------------------
                >
                > bdates wrote
                >> The ubiquitous 'they' are avoiding us!
                >> ________________________________________
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                >> ] on behalf of Bruce Weaver [
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                >> bruce.weaver@
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                >> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 4:50 PM
                >> To:
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                >
                >> Subject: Re: traffic
                >>
                >> I think it's just been a quiet day, Paul -- or
                at least it was until
                >> all those vacation messages triggered by your
                post!  ;-)
                >>
                >> Perhaps everyone was busy watching the second
                leg of Barcelona v
                >> Bayern Munich.  :-|
                >>
                >>     http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22357630 
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >> Swank, Paul R wrote
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What _/IS/_ that?  Aren't we talking about computers?  That looks like some sort of bizarro abacus.  

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On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Art Kendall <[hidden email]> wrote:
I have only been using Nabble recently. I thought we could add attachments, but I guess they did not come through.
Ah how much easier it would be if UGA used newer versions of LISTSERV!

Art Kendall
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On 5/3/2013 8:39 AM, King Douglas [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:

Like what?

 

King

 

From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Art Kendall


Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 7:10 AM
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Subject: Re: traffic

 

did it look like this?

Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants

On 5/3/2013 7:54 AM, King Douglas [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:

If you are still working with cards (or want to learn), I have an SPSS
manual from 1970 that might be useful.



-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
John F Hall
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 2:49 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

Aah!  80-column Hollerith cards, commands in 1 -15, specs in 16 -70,
numbering 71-80 (in case someone dropped the tray).  All that JCL to add
before the job: for ICL machines one witty programmer produced a nursery
rhyme (does anyone still have a copy?) about the series of "Georges" we had
to learn every time a new operating system was released.

Two-hour turn-around?  That was about par for LSE in the early 1970s, but at
PNL we had to wait a whole day as we depended on a courier service between
campuses (unless we went over to computer services ourselves).  My unit had
a VDU connection to the CDC at ULCC, but it was two years before we even got
a single 2nd-hand card punch.  For students, everything went to data-prep at
computer services on coding sheets: erros were not discovered for 24 hours
and it was another 24 before they could be corrected.  We worked like this
for several years before our campus eventually got a computer lab with 16
remote VDUs, a fast server and a couple of line-printers.

We only found out about that a day before term started and we'd already
prepared class materials for the old system.  Typical senior management at
faculty and institutional level!

Even with the new system, we had to teach students VMS and EDT before they
could start on SPSS.  At first students kept exceeding their disk
allocations as every edition of every file was kept, but we fixed that by
restricting files to the two most recent editions.  Another problem was
students printing up every file, even with errors (think of all those
trees!). We fixed that with a wonderful front end which reported errors
immediately and went back to the point in the syntax file where the error
occurred.  In those days SPSS was not very good at identifying the actual
error, but at least it allowed the tutor to help if needed.  The front-end
also forced students to check their output before printing, thus saving at
least a few trees.

Mind you the courses speeded up immensely as students got immediate
feed-back and job turn-round.  Great for motivation: off they went in hot
pursuit of findings.

Even then I still taught students about fixed fields for both syntax and
data before tucking in to SPSS.  Even now I prefer syntax to the GUI for
most basic operations: I think students klearn and retain more this way.

At least we don't have to use coding sheets any more (see:
http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/uploads/2/9/9/8/2998485/1.3.3.2a_introducti
on_to_spss_syntax.pdf


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-----Original Message-----
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Lemon, John
Sent: 03 May 2013 08:47
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

How many of us learnt SPSS on punched cards ? with fixed columns 1 & 16 and
maybe a two hour turnaround to discover one character was misplaced and you
had to re-punch the card. Plus new versions came around every 2-3 years and
that was when the bugs were fixed. Those of us with unusual/ non-standard
hardware ( in our case Honeywell GCOS ) had to wait for another site,
usually another university, to 'convert' the release tape and send it out;
you also hoped that there was no problem with the tape the software was
released on as it could take a month for the tape to cross the Atlantic. I
remember it took three attempts to get a tape that would work for one of the
releases.

Who says it was "the good old days" ?

Best Wishes

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-----Original Message-----
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David Marso
Sent: 03 May 2013 02:15
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

You guys all must be really old ;-)))
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Swank, Paul R wrote
> Ahhh. I have somewhat mixed memories of version numbers!
>
> Dr. Paul R. Swank, Professor
> Health Promotion and Behavioral Sciences School of Public Health
> University of Texas Health Science Center Houston
>
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:

> [hidden email]

> ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:08 AM
> To:


> [hidden email]


> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> well I I guess I was reminiscing because Saturday I brought the first
> computer that was my own. A PDT 11/150 to the recycling center.
>
>
> I have old VAX BACKUP save sets. Someone transferred them from tape to
> DVD for me.  I am waiting until he  unpacks the save sets to windows
> files.
>
> Then I am going to literally pull the plug on my VAX.
>
>
> [How is the mention of tapes for bringing up painful memories?  Should
> I talk about 110 baud acoustic coupler modems?]
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/2/2013 9:19 AM, Pietrzak, Dale wrote:
> Are you folks trying to trigger a PTSD event for me?  I have worked
> diligently to forget those things - and "Pine."
>
> Dale Pietrzak, Ed.D., LPCMH, CCMHC
> Director, Office of Academic Evaluation and Assessment University of
> South Dakota Slagle Hall Room 102
> 414 East Clark Street
> <a href="tel:605-677-6497" value="+16056776497" target="_blank">605-677-6497
>
>
>
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:


> [hidden email]


> ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:02 AM
> To:

> [hidden email]

> &lt;mailto:

> [hidden email]


> &gt;
> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> You are right.   I was confusing BITNET with ARPANET.
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/2/2013 8:53 AM, Mike Palij wrote:
> I think your memory might be off about BITNET.  Here is the Wikipedia
> entry on it which identifies that CUNY and Yale initiated it in 1981
> on IBM mainframes; see:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitnet
> And here is CREN's view of BITNET history:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/cren-hist-fut.html
> See also:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/history.html
>
> As for DECnet, see the Wikipedia entry here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decnet
> Although DECnet is identified as starting in 1974, it seems to me that
> it does not really connect to other networks until 1980-1982.
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University


> mp26@


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> Art@

> &gt;
> To:

> [hidden email]

> &lt;mailto:

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> &gt;
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:34 AM
> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> If I recall correctly, there was BITNET around 1978 and DECnet around
> 1976 although DECnet was more of a LAN.
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
> On 5/1/2013 8:22 PM, Mike Palij [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
> You can start here and work your way forward:
>
> http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html
>
> If you're a real glutton for punishment, start at Usenet; see:
> http://groups.google.com/group/fa.unix-wizards/browse_thread/thread/20
> 478010e2f905e4/853b59715ae4b2ff?hl=en&q=usenet#853b59715ae4b2ff
>
> Sorry, I couldn't find anything from 1979 or earlier.
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University
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> To: [hidden
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 7:40 PM
> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it
> again from the beginning?
>
> David, can you explain Martix all over again and what RTFM means and
> how often I should apply it?
> Art/Bruce can you teach me research design from the beginning?
> JonoH, please rewrite all my wants/dreams into a mashup of Python and
> SPSS Syntax.
>
> If we gotta start over, let's just get it all over with.
>
> *shotgun to head*
>
> ///
>
> Man, if I had to do a reboot on the internet and start over, I don't
> even know where I began.  In the beginning there was...?  Personal pages?
> Advertisements?  A restaurant?  I only remember animated gifs (flaming
> skulls), rainbow hr's, interlaced jpegs, and that damn fax-like noise.
> I don't really remember 'content' being a part of the original interwebs.
>
>
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> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:29 PM, David Marso <[hidden
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> wrote:
> Perhaps all answers have been found.  The archives are complete.  Our
> work is done here.
> I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it
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> bdates wrote
>> The ubiquitous 'they' are avoiding us!
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>> Subject: Re: traffic
>>
>> I think it's just been a quiet day, Paul -- or at least it was until
>> all those vacation messages triggered by your post!  ;-)
>>
>> Perhaps everyone was busy watching the second leg of Barcelona v
>> Bayern Munich.  :-|
>>
>>    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22357630
>>
>>
>>
>> Swank, Paul R wrote
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1. Ancient torture device invented by Tom Torquemada.
2. Alien sex toy?
3. Precursor to a universal remote control device.

J. R. Carroll wrote
Art,

What _/IS/_ that?  Aren't we talking about computers?  That looks like some
sort of bizarro abacus.

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On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Art Kendall <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I have only been using Nabble recently. I thought we could add attachments,
> but I guess they did not come through.
> Ah how much easier it would be if UGA used newer versions of LISTSERV!
>
> Art Kendall
> Social Research Consultants
>
> On 5/3/2013 8:39 AM, King Douglas [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
>
>  Like what?****
>
> ** **
>
> King****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]<http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719905&i=0>]
> *On Behalf Of *Art Kendall
>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 03, 2013 7:10 AM
> *To:* [hidden email]<http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719905&i=1>
> *Subject:* Re: traffic****
>
>  ** **
>
> did it look like this?
>
> ****
>
> Art Kendall****
>
> Social Research Consultants****
>
> On 5/3/2013 7:54 AM, King Douglas [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:****
>
> If you are still working with cards (or want to learn), I have an SPSS
> manual from 1970 that might be useful.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]<http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719902&i=0>]
> On Behalf Of
> John F Hall
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 2:49 AM
> To: [hidden email] <http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719902&i=1>
> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> Aah!  80-column Hollerith cards, commands in 1 -15, specs in 16 -70,
> numbering 71-80 (in case someone dropped the tray).  All that JCL to add
> before the job: for ICL machines one witty programmer produced a nursery
> rhyme (does anyone still have a copy?) about the series of "Georges" we
> had
> to learn every time a new operating system was released.
>
> Two-hour turn-around?  That was about par for LSE in the early 1970s, but
> at
> PNL we had to wait a whole day as we depended on a courier service between
> campuses (unless we went over to computer services ourselves).  My unit
> had
> a VDU connection to the CDC at ULCC, but it was two years before we even
> got
> a single 2nd-hand card punch.  For students, everything went to data-prep
> at
> computer services on coding sheets: erros were not discovered for 24 hours
> and it was another 24 before they could be corrected.  We worked like this
> for several years before our campus eventually got a computer lab with 16
> remote VDUs, a fast server and a couple of line-printers.
>
> We only found out about that a day before term started and we'd already
> prepared class materials for the old system.  Typical senior management at
> faculty and institutional level!
>
> Even with the new system, we had to teach students VMS and EDT before they
> could start on SPSS.  At first students kept exceeding their disk
> allocations as every edition of every file was kept, but we fixed that by
> restricting files to the two most recent editions.  Another problem was
> students printing up every file, even with errors (think of all those
> trees!). We fixed that with a wonderful front end which reported errors
> immediately and went back to the point in the syntax file where the error
> occurred.  In those days SPSS was not very good at identifying the actual
> error, but at least it allowed the tutor to help if needed.  The front-end
> also forced students to check their output before printing, thus saving at
> least a few trees.
>
> Mind you the courses speeded up immensely as students got immediate
> feed-back and job turn-round.  Great for motivation: off they went in hot
> pursuit of findings.
>
> Even then I still taught students about fixed fields for both syntax and
> data before tucking in to SPSS.  Even now I prefer syntax to the GUI for
> most basic operations: I think students klearn and retain more this way.
>
> At least we don't have to use coding sheets any more (see:
>
> http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/uploads/2/9/9/8/2998485/1.3.3.2a_introducti
> on_to_spss_syntax.pdf
>
>
> John F Hall (Mr)
> [Retired academic survey researcher]
>
> Email:   [hidden email]<http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719902&i=2>
> Website: www.surveyresearch.weebly.com
> Start page:  www.surveyresearch.weebly.com/spss-without-tears.html
>
>
>
>
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> On Behalf Of
> Lemon, John
> Sent: 03 May 2013 08:47
> To: [hidden email] <http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719902&i=4>
> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> How many of us learnt SPSS on punched cards ? with fixed columns 1 & 16
> and
> maybe a two hour turnaround to discover one character was misplaced and
> you
> had to re-punch the card. Plus new versions came around every 2-3 years
> and
> that was when the bugs were fixed. Those of us with unusual/ non-standard
> hardware ( in our case Honeywell GCOS ) had to wait for another site,
> usually another university, to 'convert' the release tape and send it out;
> you also hoped that there was no problem with the tape the software was
> released on as it could take a month for the tape to cross the Atlantic. I
> remember it took three attempts to get a tape that would work for one of
> the
> releases.
>
> Who says it was "the good old days" ?
>
> Best Wishes
>
> John S. Lemon
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> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of
> David Marso
> Sent: 03 May 2013 02:15
> To: [hidden email] <http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719902&i=6>
> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> You guys all must be really old ;-)))
> --
>
> Swank, Paul R wrote
> > Ahhh. I have somewhat mixed memories of version numbers!
> >
> > Dr. Paul R. Swank, Professor
> > Health Promotion and Behavioral Sciences School of Public Health
> > University of Texas Health Science Center Houston
> >
> > From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:
>
> > [hidden email] <http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719904&i=0>
>
> > ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
> > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:08 AM
> > To:
>
> > [hidden email] <http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719904&i=1> **
> **
>
>
> > Subject: Re: traffic
> >
> > well I I guess I was reminiscing because Saturday I brought the first
> > computer that was my own. A PDT 11/150 to the recycling center.
> >
> >
> > I have old VAX BACKUP save sets. Someone transferred them from tape to
> > DVD for me.  I am waiting until he  unpacks the save sets to windows
> > files.
> >
> > Then I am going to literally pull the plug on my VAX.
> >
> >
> > [How is the mention of tapes for bringing up painful memories?  Should
> > I talk about 110 baud acoustic coupler modems?]
> >
> >
> >
> > Art Kendall
> >
> > Social Research Consultants
> > On 5/2/2013 9:19 AM, Pietrzak, Dale wrote:
> > Are you folks trying to trigger a PTSD event for me?  I have worked
> > diligently to forget those things - and "Pine."
> >
> > Dale Pietrzak, Ed.D., LPCMH, CCMHC
> > Director, Office of Academic Evaluation and Assessment University of
> > South Dakota Slagle Hall Room 102
> > 414 East Clark Street
> > 605-677-6497
> >
> >
> >
> > From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto: ****
>
>
> > [hidden email] <http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719904&i=2>
>
> > ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
> > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:02 AM
> > To:
>
> > [hidden email] <http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719904&i=3>
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> > <mailto:
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> > [hidden email] <http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719904&i=4> **
> **
>
>
> > >
> > Subject: Re: traffic
> >
> > You are right.   I was confusing BITNET with ARPANET.
> >
> >
> >
> > Art Kendall
> >
> > Social Research Consultants
> > On 5/2/2013 8:53 AM, Mike Palij wrote:
> > I think your memory might be off about BITNET.  Here is the Wikipedia
> > entry on it which identifies that CUNY and Yale initiated it in 1981
> > on IBM mainframes; see:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitnet
> > And here is CREN's view of BITNET history:
> > http://www.cren.net/cren/cren-hist-fut.html
> > See also:
> > http://www.cren.net/cren/history.html
> >
> > As for DECnet, see the Wikipedia entry here:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decnet
> > Although DECnet is identified as starting in 1974, it seems to me that
> > it does not really connect to other networks until 1980-1982.
> >
> > -Mike Palij
> > New York University ****
>
>
> > mp26@
>
> > <mailto:
>
> > mp26@
>
> > >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Art Kendall<mailto:
>
> > Art@
>
> > >
> > To:
>
> > [hidden email] <http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719904&i=5>
>
> > <mailto:
>
> > [hidden email] <http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719904&i=6> **
> **
>
>
> > >
> > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:34 AM
> > Subject: Re: traffic
> >
> > If I recall correctly, there was BITNET around 1978 and DECnet around
> > 1976 although DECnet was more of a LAN.
> >
> >
> >
> > Art Kendall
> >
> > Social Research Consultants
> > On 5/1/2013 8:22 PM, Mike Palij [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
> > You can start here and work your way forward:
> >
> > http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html
> >
> > If you're a real glutton for punishment, start at Usenet; see:
> > http://groups.google.com/group/fa.unix-wizards/browse_thread/thread/20
> > 478010e2f905e4/853b59715ae4b2ff?hl=en&q=usenet#853b59715ae4b2ff
> >
> > Sorry, I couldn't find anything from 1979 or earlier.
> >
> > -Mike Palij
> > New York University
> > [hidden
> > email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719872&i=0>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: [hidden
> > email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719872&i=1>
> > To: [hidden
> > email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719872&i=2>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 7:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: traffic
> >
> > I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it
> > again from the beginning?
> >
> > David, can you explain Martix all over again and what RTFM means and
> > how often I should apply it?
> > Art/Bruce can you teach me research design from the beginning?
> > JonoH, please rewrite all my wants/dreams into a mashup of Python and
> > SPSS Syntax.
> >
> > If we gotta start over, let's just get it all over with.
> >
> > *shotgun to head*
> >
> > ///
> >
> > Man, if I had to do a reboot on the internet and start over, I don't
> > even know where I began.  In the beginning there was...?  Personal
> pages?
> > Advertisements?  A restaurant?  I only remember animated gifs (flaming
> > skulls), rainbow hr's, interlaced jpegs, and that damn fax-like noise.
> > I don't really remember 'content' being a part of the original
> interwebs.
> >
> >
> > ----
> > [http://jrcresearch.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/sig.gif]
> >
> > J. R. Carroll
> > Independent Researcher/Psychometrician through Hurtz Labs Research
> > Methods, Test Development, and Statistics Python/WWW Developer
> > www.jrcresearch.net<http://www.jrcresearch.net/><http://www.jrcresearch.net/%3E>
> > www.ontvp.com<http://www.ontvp.com> <http://www.ontvp.com%3E>
> > Cell:  (650) 776-6613
> > Email: [hidden
> > email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719872&i=3>
> >           [hidden
> > email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719872&i=4>
> >           [hidden
> > email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719872&i=5>
> > [http://officeimg.vo.msecnd.net/en-us/files/914/697/ZA102637861.gif]&l
> > t;https://www.facebook.com/J.R.Car><https://www.facebook.com/J.R.Car%3E>
> [http://officeimg.vo.msecnd.net/
> > en-us/files/918/121/ZA102637858.gif]<https://twitter.com/jNammer><https://twitter.com/jNammer%3E>
> > ;[http://officeimg.vo.msecnd.net/en-us/files/739/234/ZA102637857.gif]&
> > lt;http://www.linkedin.com/in/jrcarroll><http://www.linkedin.com/in/jrcarroll%3E>
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:29 PM, David Marso <[hidden
> > email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719872&i=6>>
> > wrote:
> > Perhaps all answers have been found.  The archives are complete.  Our
> > work is done here.
> > I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it
> > again from the beginning?
> > --------------------------
> >
> > bdates wrote
> >> The ubiquitous 'they' are avoiding us!
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [
> >> [hidden
> >> email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719878&i=0>
> >
> >> ] on behalf of Bruce Weaver [
> >
> >> bruce.weaver@
> >> ]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 4:50 PM
> >> To:
> >> [hidden
> >> email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5719878&i=1>
> >
> >> Subject: Re: traffic
> >>
> >> I think it's just been a quiet day, Paul -- or at least it was until
> >> all those vacation messages triggered by your post!  ;-)
> >>
> >> Perhaps everyone was busy watching the second leg of Barcelona v
> >> Bayern Munich.  :-|
> >>
> >>    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22357630
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Swank, Paul R wrote
> >>> I have received no messages on the listserve today. ANybody else
> >>> have this problem?
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They are also there as links at the VERY BOTTOM of Art's post.
I usually hit the Insert Image tab rather than the More->Upload a file tab.
Images then appear in the body of the post like this:
Her royal highness
Rather than being lost in an ocean of quoted text.
In case you were wondering.  Yes, she is the boss!

Bruce Weaver wrote
The attachments are there, but only available if one reads via Nabble.  Those who are not using Nabble can see Art's post (with attachments at the bottom) here:

  http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/traffic-tp5719857p5719904.html


Art Kendall wrote
I have
          only been using Nabble recently. I thought we could add attachments,
      but I guess they did not come through.
      Ah how much easier it would be if UGA used newer versions of
      LISTSERV!
      Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants
      On 5/3/2013 8:39 AM, King Douglas [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
   
   
     
     
     
     
        Like
            what?
         
        King
         
       
          From:
              SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto: [hidden
                email] ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
              Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 7:10 AM
              To: [hidden
                email]
              Subject: Re: traffic
       
         
       
          did it
              look like this?
           
           
          Art Kendall
          Social Research Consultants
          On 5/3/2013 7:54 AM, King Douglas [via
            SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
       
       
          If you are still working with cards (or
            want to learn), I have an SPSS
            manual from 1970 that might be useful.
           
           
           
            -----Original Message-----
            From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto: [hidden
              email] ] On Behalf Of
            John F Hall
            Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 2:49 AM
            To: [hidden
              email]  
            Subject: Re: traffic
           
            Aah!  80-column Hollerith cards, commands in 1 -15, specs in
            16 -70,
            numbering 71-80 (in case someone dropped the tray).  All
            that JCL to add
            before the job: for ICL machines one witty programmer
            produced a nursery
            rhyme (does anyone still have a copy?) about the series of
            "Georges" we had
            to learn every time a new operating system was released.
           
            Two-hour turn-around?  That was about par for LSE in the
            early 1970s, but at
            PNL we had to wait a whole day as we depended on a courier
            service between
            campuses (unless we went over to computer services
            ourselves).  My unit had
            a VDU connection to the CDC at ULCC, but it was two years
            before we even got
            a single 2nd-hand card punch.  For students, everything went
            to data-prep at
            computer services on coding sheets: erros were not
            discovered for 24 hours
            and it was another 24 before they could be corrected.  We
            worked like this
            for several years before our campus eventually got a
            computer lab with 16
            remote VDUs, a fast server and a couple of line-printers.
           
            We only found out about that a day before term started and
            we'd already
            prepared class materials for the old system.  Typical senior
            management at
            faculty and institutional level!
           
            Even with the new system, we had to teach students VMS and
            EDT before they
            could start on SPSS.  At first students kept exceeding their
            disk
            allocations as every edition of every file was kept, but we
            fixed that by
            restricting files to the two most recent editions.  Another
            problem was
            students printing up every file, even with errors (think of
            all those
            trees!). We fixed that with a wonderful front end which
            reported errors
            immediately and went back to the point in the syntax file
            where the error
            occurred.  In those days SPSS was not very good at
            identifying the actual
            error, but at least it allowed the tutor to help if needed.
             The front-end
            also forced students to check their output before printing,
            thus saving at
            least a few trees.
           
            Mind you the courses speeded up immensely as students got
            immediate
            feed-back and job turn-round.  Great for motivation: off
            they went in hot
            pursuit of findings.
           
            Even then I still taught students about fixed fields for
            both syntax and
            data before tucking in to SPSS.  Even now I prefer syntax to
            the GUI for
            most basic operations: I think students klearn and retain
            more this way.
           
            At least we don't have to use coding sheets any more (see:
            http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/uploads/2/9/9/8/2998485/1.3.3.2a_introducti 
            on_to_spss_syntax.pdf
           
           
            John F Hall (Mr)
            [Retired academic survey researcher]
           
            Email:   [hidden
              email]  
            Website: www.surveyresearch.weebly.com
           
            Start page:   www.surveyresearch.weebly.com/spss-without-tears.html
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
            -----Original Message-----
            From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto: [hidden
              email] ] On Behalf Of
            Lemon, John
            Sent: 03 May 2013 08:47
            To: [hidden
              email]  
            Subject: Re: traffic
           
            How many of us learnt SPSS on punched cards ? with fixed
            columns 1 & 16 and
            maybe a two hour turnaround to discover one character was
            misplaced and you
            had to re-punch the card. Plus new versions came around
            every 2-3 years and
            that was when the bugs were fixed. Those of us with unusual/
            non-standard
            hardware ( in our case Honeywell GCOS ) had to wait for
            another site,
            usually another university, to 'convert' the release tape
            and send it out;
            you also hoped that there was no problem with the tape the
            software was
            released on as it could take a month for the tape to cross
            the Atlantic. I
            remember it took three attempts to get a tape that would
            work for one of the
            releases.
           
            Who says it was "the good old days" ?
           
            Best Wishes
           
            John S. Lemon
            IT Services - Student Liaison Officer
            University of Aberdeen
            Edward Wright Building
            Tel:  +44 1224 273350
           
            DIT news for Students
           
            -----Original Message-----
            From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto: [hidden
              email] ] On Behalf Of
            David Marso
            Sent: 03 May 2013 02:15
            To: [hidden
              email]  
            Subject: Re: traffic
           
            You guys all must be really old ;-)))
            --
           
            Swank, Paul R wrote
            > Ahhh. I have somewhat mixed memories of version
            numbers!
            >
            > Dr. Paul R. Swank, Professor
            > Health Promotion and Behavioral Sciences School of
            Public Health
            > University of Texas Health Science Center Houston
            >
            > From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:
           
            > [hidden
              email]  
           
            > ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
            > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:08 AM
            > To:
         
         
            > [hidden
              email]  
           
             
                > Subject: Re: traffic
                >
                > well I I guess I was reminiscing because Saturday I
                brought the first
                > computer that was my own. A PDT 11/150 to the
                recycling center.
                >
                >
                > I have old VAX BACKUP save sets. Someone
                transferred them from tape to
                > DVD for me.  I am waiting until he  unpacks the
                save sets to windows
                > files.
                >
                > Then I am going to literally pull the plug on my
                VAX.
                >
                >
                > [How is the mention of tapes for bringing up
                painful memories?  Should
                > I talk about 110 baud acoustic coupler modems?]
                >
                >
                >
                > Art Kendall
                >
                > Social Research Consultants
                > On 5/2/2013 9:19 AM, Pietrzak, Dale wrote:
                > Are you folks trying to trigger a PTSD event for
                me?  I have worked
                > diligently to forget those things - and "Pine."
                >
                > Dale Pietrzak, Ed.D., LPCMH, CCMHC
                > Director, Office of Academic Evaluation and
                Assessment University of
                > South Dakota Slagle Hall Room 102
                > 414 East Clark Street
                > 605-677-6497
                >
                >
                >
                > From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:
           
           
              > [hidden
                email]  
         
         
          > ] On Behalf Of Art Kendall
          > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:02 AM
          > To:
         
          > [hidden email]
         
         
          > &lt;mailto:
         
            > [hidden
              email]  
           
             
                > &gt;
                > Subject: Re: traffic
                >
                > You are right.   I was confusing BITNET with
                ARPANET.
                >
                >
                >
                > Art Kendall
                >
                > Social Research Consultants
                > On 5/2/2013 8:53 AM, Mike Palij wrote:
                > I think your memory might be off about BITNET.
                 Here is the Wikipedia
                > entry on it which identifies that CUNY and Yale
                initiated it in 1981
                > on IBM mainframes; see:
                > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitnet 
                > And here is CREN's view of BITNET history:
                > http://www.cren.net/cren/cren-hist-fut.html 
                > See also:
                > http://www.cren.net/cren/history.html 
                >
                > As for DECnet, see the Wikipedia entry here:
                > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decnet 
                > Although DECnet is identified as starting in 1974,
                it seems to me that
                > it does not really connect to other networks until
                1980-1982.
                >
                > -Mike Palij
                > New York University
           
           
              > mp26@
         
         
          > &lt;mailto:
         
          > mp26@
         
          > &gt;
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: Art Kendall&lt;mailto:
         
          > Art@
         
          > &gt;
          > To:
         
          > [hidden email]
         
         
          > &lt;mailto:
         
            > [hidden
              email]  
           
             
                > &gt;
                > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:34 AM
                > Subject: Re: traffic
                >
                > If I recall correctly, there was BITNET around 1978
                and DECnet around
                > 1976 although DECnet was more of a LAN.
                >
                >
                >
                > Art Kendall
                >
                > Social Research Consultants
                > On 5/1/2013 8:22 PM, Mike Palij [via SPSSX
                Discussion] wrote:
                > You can start here and work your way forward:
                >
                > http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html 
                >
                > If you're a real glutton for punishment, start at
                Usenet; see:
                > http://groups.google.com/group/fa.unix-wizards/browse_thread/thread/20 
                >
                478010e2f905e4/853b59715ae4b2ff?hl=en&q=usenet#853b59715ae4b2ff
               
                >
                > Sorry, I couldn't find anything from 1979 or
                earlier.
                >
                > -Mike Palij
                > New York University
                > [hidden
                >
email]&lt;/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&amp;node=5719872&amp;i=0&gt;
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: [hidden
                >
email]&lt;/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&amp;node=5719872&amp;i=1&gt;
                > To: [hidden
                >
email]&lt;/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&amp;node=5719872&amp;i=2&gt;
                > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 7:40 PM
                > Subject: Re: traffic
                >
                > I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I
                start reading it
                > again from the beginning?
                >
                > David, can you explain Martix all over again and
                what RTFM means and
                > how often I should apply it?
                > Art/Bruce can you teach me research design from the
                beginning?
                > JonoH, please rewrite all my wants/dreams into a
                mashup of Python and
                > SPSS Syntax.
                >
                > If we gotta start over, let's just get it all over
                with.
                >
                > *shotgun to head*
                >
                > ///
                >
                > Man, if I had to do a reboot on the internet and
                start over, I don't
                > even know where I began.  In the beginning there
                was...?  Personal pages?
                > Advertisements?  A restaurant?  I only remember
                animated gifs (flaming
                > skulls), rainbow hr's, interlaced jpegs, and that
                damn fax-like noise.
                > I don't really remember 'content' being a part of
                the original interwebs.
                >
                >
                > ----
                > [ http://jrcresearch.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/sig.gif ]
               
                >
                > J. R. Carroll
                > Independent Researcher/Psychometrician through
                Hurtz Labs Research
                > Methods, Test Development, and Statistics
                Python/WWW Developer
                > www.jrcresearch.net&lt ; http://www.jrcresearch.net/&gt; 
                > www.ontvp.com&lt ; http://www.ontvp.com&gt; 
                > Cell:  (650) 776-6613
                > Email: [hidden
                >
email]&lt;/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&amp;node=5719872&amp;i=3&gt;
                >           [hidden
                >
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                >           [hidden
                >
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                > [ http://officeimg.vo.msecnd.net/en-us/files/914/697/ZA102637861.gif ]&l
               
                > t; https://www.facebook.com/J.R.Car&gt; [ http://officeimg.vo.msecnd.net/ 
                > en-us/files/918/121/ZA102637858.gif]&lt; https://twitter.com/jNammer&gt 
                > ;[ http://officeimg.vo.msecnd.net/en-us/files/739/234/ZA102637857.gif ]&
               
                > lt; http://www.linkedin.com/in/jrcarroll&gt; 
                >
                >
                > On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:29 PM, David Marso
                <[hidden
                >
email]&lt;/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&amp;node=5719872&amp;i=6&gt;>
                > wrote:
                > Perhaps all answers have been found.  The archives
                are complete.  Our
                > work is done here.
                > I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I
                start reading it
                > again from the beginning?
                > --------------------------
                >
                > bdates wrote
                >> The ubiquitous 'they' are avoiding us!
                >> ________________________________________
                >> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [
                >> [hidden
                >>
email]&lt;/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&amp;node=5719878&amp;i=0&gt;
                >
                >> ] on behalf of Bruce Weaver [
                >
                >> bruce.weaver@
                >> ]
                >> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 4:50 PM
                >> To:
                >> [hidden
                >>
email]&lt;/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&amp;node=5719878&amp;i=1&gt;
                >
                >> Subject: Re: traffic
                >>
                >> I think it's just been a quiet day, Paul -- or
                at least it was until
                >> all those vacation messages triggered by your
                post!  ;-)
                >>
                >> Perhaps everyone was busy watching the second
                leg of Barcelona v
                >> Bayern Munich.  :-|
                >>
                >>     http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22357630 
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >> Swank, Paul R wrote
                >>> I have received no messages on the
                listserve today. ANybody else
                >>> have this problem?
                >>>
                >>> Paul R. Swank, Ph.D., Professor
                >>> Health Promotions and Behavioral Sciences
                School of Public Health
                >>> University of Texas Health Science Center
                Houston
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                the command. To leave
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                >> -----
                >> --
                >> Bruce Weaver
                >
                >> bweaver@
                >> http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/ 
                >
                >>
                >> "When all else fails, RTFM."
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                >> NOTE: My Hotmail account is not monitored
                regularly.
                >> To send me an e-mail, please use the address
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                >> View this message in context:
                >> http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/traffic-tp5719857p57198 
                >> 63.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing
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                >>  (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the
                command. To leave the
                >> list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a
                list of commands to
                >> manage subscriptions, send the command INFO
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                >>  (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the
                command. To leave the
                >> list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a
                list of commands to
                >> manage subscriptions, send the command INFO
                REFCARD
                >
                >
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Re: traffic

Art Kendall
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it is a machine to put rectangular holes in 80 column cards.
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/ibm100/us/en/icons/punchcard/
I believe it was used for the 1930 census.

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On 5/3/2013 9:22 AM, J. R. Carroll [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
Art, 

What _/IS/_ that?  Aren't we talking about computers?  That looks like some sort of bizarro abacus.  

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On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Art Kendall <[hidden email]> wrote:
I have only been using Nabble recently. I thought we could add attachments, but I guess they did not come through.
Ah how much easier it would be if UGA used newer versions of LISTSERV! 

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On 5/3/2013 8:39 AM, King Douglas [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:

Like what?

 

King

 

From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Art Kendall


Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 7:10 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

 

did it look like this?

Art Kendall
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On 5/3/2013 7:54 AM, King Douglas [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:

If you are still working with cards (or want to learn), I have an SPSS
manual from 1970 that might be useful.



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John F Hall
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 2:49 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: traffic

Aah!  80-column Hollerith cards, commands in 1 -15, specs in 16 -70,
numbering 71-80 (in case someone dropped the tray).  All that JCL to add
before the job: for ICL machines one witty programmer produced a nursery
rhyme (does anyone still have a copy?) about the series of "Georges" we had
to learn every time a new operating system was released.

Two-hour turn-around?  That was about par for LSE in the early 1970s, but at
PNL we had to wait a whole day as we depended on a courier service between
campuses (unless we went over to computer services ourselves).  My unit had
a VDU connection to the CDC at ULCC, but it was two years before we even got
a single 2nd-hand card punch.  For students, everything went to data-prep at
computer services on coding sheets: erros were not discovered for 24 hours
and it was another 24 before they could be corrected.  We worked like this
for several years before our campus eventually got a computer lab with 16
remote VDUs, a fast server and a couple of line-printers.

We only found out about that a day before term started and we'd already
prepared class materials for the old system.  Typical senior management at
faculty and institutional level!

Even with the new system, we had to teach students VMS and EDT before they
could start on SPSS.  At first students kept exceeding their disk
allocations as every edition of every file was kept, but we fixed that by
restricting files to the two most recent editions.  Another problem was
students printing up every file, even with errors (think of all those
trees!). We fixed that with a wonderful front end which reported errors
immediately and went back to the point in the syntax file where the error
occurred.  In those days SPSS was not very good at identifying the actual
error, but at least it allowed the tutor to help if needed.  The front-end
also forced students to check their output before printing, thus saving at
least a few trees.

Mind you the courses speeded up immensely as students got immediate
feed-back and job turn-round.  Great for motivation: off they went in hot
pursuit of findings.

Even then I still taught students about fixed fields for both syntax and
data before tucking in to SPSS.  Even now I prefer syntax to the GUI for
most basic operations: I think students klearn and retain more this way.

At least we don't have to use coding sheets any more (see:
http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/uploads/2/9/9/8/2998485/1.3.3.2a_introducti
on_to_spss_syntax.pdf


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Lemon, John
Sent: 03 May 2013 08:47
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Subject: Re: traffic

How many of us learnt SPSS on punched cards ? with fixed columns 1 & 16 and
maybe a two hour turnaround to discover one character was misplaced and you
had to re-punch the card. Plus new versions came around every 2-3 years and
that was when the bugs were fixed. Those of us with unusual/ non-standard
hardware ( in our case Honeywell GCOS ) had to wait for another site,
usually another university, to 'convert' the release tape and send it out;
you also hoped that there was no problem with the tape the software was
released on as it could take a month for the tape to cross the Atlantic. I
remember it took three attempts to get a tape that would work for one of the
releases.

Who says it was "the good old days" ?

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Subject: Re: traffic

You guys all must be really old ;-)))
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Swank, Paul R wrote
> Ahhh. I have somewhat mixed memories of version numbers!
>
> Dr. Paul R. Swank, Professor
> Health Promotion and Behavioral Sciences School of Public Health
> University of Texas Health Science Center Houston
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> Subject: Re: traffic
>
> well I I guess I was reminiscing because Saturday I brought the first
> computer that was my own. A PDT 11/150 to the recycling center.
>
>
> I have old VAX BACKUP save sets. Someone transferred them from tape to
> DVD for me.  I am waiting until he  unpacks the save sets to windows
> files.
>
> Then I am going to literally pull the plug on my VAX.
>
>
> [How is the mention of tapes for bringing up painful memories?  Should
> I talk about 110 baud acoustic coupler modems?]
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
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> On 5/2/2013 9:19 AM, Pietrzak, Dale wrote:
> Are you folks trying to trigger a PTSD event for me?  I have worked
> diligently to forget those things - and "Pine."
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>
> You are right.   I was confusing BITNET with ARPANET.
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
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> On 5/2/2013 8:53 AM, Mike Palij wrote:
> I think your memory might be off about BITNET.  Here is the Wikipedia
> entry on it which identifies that CUNY and Yale initiated it in 1981
> on IBM mainframes; see:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitnet
> And here is CREN's view of BITNET history:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/cren-hist-fut.html
> See also:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/history.html
>
> As for DECnet, see the Wikipedia entry here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decnet
> Although DECnet is identified as starting in 1974, it seems to me that
> it does not really connect to other networks until 1980-1982.
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University


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> If I recall correctly, there was BITNET around 1978 and DECnet around
> 1976 although DECnet was more of a LAN.
>
>
>
> Art Kendall
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> On 5/1/2013 8:22 PM, Mike Palij [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
> You can start here and work your way forward:
>
> http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html
>
> If you're a real glutton for punishment, start at Usenet; see:
> http://groups.google.com/group/fa.unix-wizards/browse_thread/thread/20
> 478010e2f905e4/853b59715ae4b2ff?hl=en&q=usenet#853b59715ae4b2ff
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> Sorry, I couldn't find anything from 1979 or earlier.
>
> -Mike Palij
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>
> I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it
> again from the beginning?
>
> David, can you explain Martix all over again and what RTFM means and
> how often I should apply it?
> Art/Bruce can you teach me research design from the beginning?
> JonoH, please rewrite all my wants/dreams into a mashup of Python and
> SPSS Syntax.
>
> If we gotta start over, let's just get it all over with.
>
> *shotgun to head*
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> ///
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> Man, if I had to do a reboot on the internet and start over, I don't
> even know where I began.  In the beginning there was...?  Personal pages?
> Advertisements?  A restaurant?  I only remember animated gifs (flaming
> skulls), rainbow hr's, interlaced jpegs, and that damn fax-like noise.
> I don't really remember 'content' being a part of the original interwebs.
>
>
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>> I think it's just been a quiet day, Paul -- or at least it was until
>> all those vacation messages triggered by your post!  ;-)
>>
>> Perhaps everyone was busy watching the second leg of Barcelona v
>> Bayern Munich.  :-|
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>>    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22357630
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Ah!  I was really going with #2 on your list of possible uses.  Glad you cleared that up!  


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On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Art Kendall <[hidden email]> wrote:
it is a machine to put rectangular holes in 80 column cards.
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/ibm100/us/en/icons/punchcard/
I believe it was used for the 1930 census.


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On 5/3/2013 9:22 AM, J. R. Carroll [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
Art, 

What _/IS/_ that?  Aren't we talking about computers?  That looks like some sort of bizarro abacus.  

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Ah how much easier it would be if UGA used newer versions of LISTSERV! 

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On 5/3/2013 8:39 AM, King Douglas [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:

Like what?

 

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did it look like this?

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On 5/3/2013 7:54 AM, King Douglas [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:

If you are still working with cards (or want to learn), I have an SPSS
manual from 1970 that might be useful.



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John F Hall
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 2:49 AM
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Subject: Re: traffic

Aah!  80-column Hollerith cards, commands in 1 -15, specs in 16 -70,
numbering 71-80 (in case someone dropped the tray).  All that JCL to add
before the job: for ICL machines one witty programmer produced a nursery
rhyme (does anyone still have a copy?) about the series of "Georges" we had
to learn every time a new operating system was released.

Two-hour turn-around?  That was about par for LSE in the early 1970s, but at
PNL we had to wait a whole day as we depended on a courier service between
campuses (unless we went over to computer services ourselves).  My unit had
a VDU connection to the CDC at ULCC, but it was two years before we even got
a single 2nd-hand card punch.  For students, everything went to data-prep at
computer services on coding sheets: erros were not discovered for 24 hours
and it was another 24 before they could be corrected.  We worked like this
for several years before our campus eventually got a computer lab with 16
remote VDUs, a fast server and a couple of line-printers.

We only found out about that a day before term started and we'd already
prepared class materials for the old system.  Typical senior management at
faculty and institutional level!

Even with the new system, we had to teach students VMS and EDT before they
could start on SPSS.  At first students kept exceeding their disk
allocations as every edition of every file was kept, but we fixed that by
restricting files to the two most recent editions.  Another problem was
students printing up every file, even with errors (think of all those
trees!). We fixed that with a wonderful front end which reported errors
immediately and went back to the point in the syntax file where the error
occurred.  In those days SPSS was not very good at identifying the actual
error, but at least it allowed the tutor to help if needed.  The front-end
also forced students to check their output before printing, thus saving at
least a few trees.

Mind you the courses speeded up immensely as students got immediate
feed-back and job turn-round.  Great for motivation: off they went in hot
pursuit of findings.

Even then I still taught students about fixed fields for both syntax and
data before tucking in to SPSS.  Even now I prefer syntax to the GUI for
most basic operations: I think students klearn and retain more this way.

At least we don't have to use coding sheets any more (see:
http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/uploads/2/9/9/8/2998485/1.3.3.2a_introducti
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How many of us learnt SPSS on punched cards ? with fixed columns 1 & 16 and
maybe a two hour turnaround to discover one character was misplaced and you
had to re-punch the card. Plus new versions came around every 2-3 years and
that was when the bugs were fixed. Those of us with unusual/ non-standard
hardware ( in our case Honeywell GCOS ) had to wait for another site,
usually another university, to 'convert' the release tape and send it out;
you also hoped that there was no problem with the tape the software was
released on as it could take a month for the tape to cross the Atlantic. I
remember it took three attempts to get a tape that would work for one of the
releases.

Who says it was "the good old days" ?

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You guys all must be really old ;-)))
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Swank, Paul R wrote
> Ahhh. I have somewhat mixed memories of version numbers!
>
> Dr. Paul R. Swank, Professor
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> University of Texas Health Science Center Houston
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>
> well I I guess I was reminiscing because Saturday I brought the first
> computer that was my own. A PDT 11/150 to the recycling center.
>
>
> I have old VAX BACKUP save sets. Someone transferred them from tape to
> DVD for me.  I am waiting until he  unpacks the save sets to windows
> files.
>
> Then I am going to literally pull the plug on my VAX.
>
>
> [How is the mention of tapes for bringing up painful memories?  Should
> I talk about 110 baud acoustic coupler modems?]
>
>
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> diligently to forget those things - and "Pine."
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>
> You are right.   I was confusing BITNET with ARPANET.
>
>
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> Art Kendall
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> On 5/2/2013 8:53 AM, Mike Palij wrote:
> I think your memory might be off about BITNET.  Here is the Wikipedia
> entry on it which identifies that CUNY and Yale initiated it in 1981
> on IBM mainframes; see:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitnet
> And here is CREN's view of BITNET history:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/cren-hist-fut.html
> See also:
> http://www.cren.net/cren/history.html
>
> As for DECnet, see the Wikipedia entry here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decnet
> Although DECnet is identified as starting in 1974, it seems to me that
> it does not really connect to other networks until 1980-1982.
>
> -Mike Palij
> New York University


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> If I recall correctly, there was BITNET around 1978 and DECnet around
> 1976 although DECnet was more of a LAN.
>
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> On 5/1/2013 8:22 PM, Mike Palij [via SPSSX Discussion] wrote:
> You can start here and work your way forward:
>
> http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html
>
> If you're a real glutton for punishment, start at Usenet; see:
> http://groups.google.com/group/fa.unix-wizards/browse_thread/thread/20
> 478010e2f905e4/853b59715ae4b2ff?hl=en&q=usenet#853b59715ae4b2ff
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> Sorry, I couldn't find anything from 1979 or earlier.
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> -Mike Palij
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> I have reached the end of the internet.  Should I start reading it
> again from the beginning?
>
> David, can you explain Martix all over again and what RTFM means and
> how often I should apply it?
> Art/Bruce can you teach me research design from the beginning?
> JonoH, please rewrite all my wants/dreams into a mashup of Python and
> SPSS Syntax.
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> If we gotta start over, let's just get it all over with.
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> *shotgun to head*
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> Man, if I had to do a reboot on the internet and start over, I don't
> even know where I began.  In the beginning there was...?  Personal pages?
> Advertisements?  A restaurant?  I only remember animated gifs (flaming
> skulls), rainbow hr's, interlaced jpegs, and that damn fax-like noise.
> I don't really remember 'content' being a part of the original interwebs.
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>> The ubiquitous 'they' are avoiding us!
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>>
>> I think it's just been a quiet day, Paul -- or at least it was until
>> all those vacation messages triggered by your post!  ;-)
>>
>> Perhaps everyone was busy watching the second leg of Barcelona v
>> Bayern Munich.  :-|
>>
>>    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22357630
>>
>>
>>
>> Swank, Paul R wrote
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