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Art Kendall

Re: SPSS now called PASW

I have often encountered mathematicians and statisticians who are
explicitly derogatory about social sciences, even questioning if social
sciences are real. In many circles "social" connotes 1984 or
"socialist". When I was wearing my hat as sr math statistician in a
Congressional agency, they did not realize I am also a political/social
psychologist

However, I don't know how to pronounce PASW.

I may have just shot myself in the foot. twice.
1) I just downloaded and installed the patch. I then uninstalled
Python. When I got back to the page I found out that there may not be a
Python for my 64-bit quad processor running Windows Vista Ultimate. All
of the 64-bit versions were designated for servers.

2) I found one page that had a footnote saying that PASW will run in 32
bit mode. If I am not mistaken about 17.0.1 it was running in 64-bit mode.

Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants

John Fiedler wrote:

> I am not sure that PASW will work.
>
> It might be confused with PASW Inc (formerly Pacific Software)
> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2007_July_6/ai_n19345322/
>
>
> Or maybe with the Performing Arts Studio West
> http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/PASW
>
> Or perhaps with an Alaska airport at Skwentna
> http://www.airnav.com/airport/PASW
>
> I'll not likely confuse it with SPSS!
> JOHN
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Heidi Green" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 2:00 PM
> Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
>
>
>> I just assumed that the "SW" part was "SoftWare"??
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> Cho, Stanley
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:56 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
>>
>> Why is it that I can not find what the "W" stands for on the website?
>>
>> Predictive Analytics Software...Whatever.
>>
>> What's in a name. Marketing strategy and re-branding aside, as long as
>> the engine is the same, we'll continue to use it...
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> Charla Lopez
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:50 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
>>
>> What about SPAWN? It's trendier.
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Christian Bautista <[hidden email]>
>>
>> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:41:52
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
>>
>>
>> I don't care about names, I just want a better SPSS or PASW. Why not
>> SYSTAT, for some people, this is the father of SPSS.
>> /Christian
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ajay ohri [[hidden email]]
>> Sent: 04/09/2009 12:28 AM ZE5B
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
>>
>>
>>
>> how about switching it to R if the name is important enough
>>
>>
>> that is a cool name ( though they did change from S)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Larry Burriss <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>> Sigh.
>>>
>>> I've been with SPSS since grad school and we were using punch cards and
>>> 17.5 x 11 coding sheets. Remember the big blue reference books? We
>>> sure
>>> thought we were hot stuff walking around campus with those. Remember
>>> having
>>> to turn the card deck in at the computer center and waiting three or
>>> four
>>> hours for the priests of the mainframe to run your job? And we thought
>>> we
>>> were really clever when we used NCC1701 (the registration number for
>>> the
>>> starship Enterprise) for our job numbers.
>>>
>>> Remember the first "interactive" version? We sat at a dumb terminal
>>> and
>>> typed in the commands ("just remember, each line on the screen is the
>>> same
>>> as one punch card")...then went over to the computer center and
>>> picked up
>>> the output.
>>>
>>> And I still put the slash at the end of the previous line, rather
>>> than at
>>> the beginning of the current line, like my quirky stats instructor told
>>> us
>>> to "because it is more elegant."
>>>
>>> Somehow a world without SPSS won't be the same. I may have to
>>> switch to
>>> SAS
>>> just to use a program that has a cool name.
>>>
>>> / Larry /
>>>
>>> LARRY L. BURRISS, Ph.D., J.D.
>>> Professor
>>> School of Journalism
>>> Middle Tennessee State University
>>> Murfreesboro, TN 37132
>>>
>>> 615-898-2983 [hidden email] http://mtsu.edu/~lburriss
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ***** This page made out of 100% recycled electrons *****
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Marta García-Granero
>>> Sent: Wed, Apr 08, 2009 1:24 PM
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
>>>
>>> Well, we can always refer to it as "The Program Formerly Known as SPSS"
>>>
>>> (quoting "The Artist Formerly Known as Prince")
>>>
>>> Should this list be renamed PASW-L? (just kidding, I'm in a sort of
>>> funny before-holidays mood...)
>>>
>>> Marta
>>>
>>>
>>>> This makes me sad. Changing names, OK, but removing SPSS from the
>>>> naming
>>>> convention seems to be removing the original and historical purpose of
>>>> the
>>>> package. I think Shakespeare was wrong; there is a lot in a name.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yup! Once you apply V17.0.2 it is now called PASW Statistics 17.0
>>>>
>>>> Nothing like changing the brand name
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Is this a late April
>>>>>> Fool's joke?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From the Desk of Jason Verlen
>>>>>> Vice President & Chief Product Strategist of SPSS Inc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's
>>>>>> an exciting time at SPSS Inc.
>>>>>> We're working diligently in 2009 to make SPSS Inc. an even more
>>>>>> valued
>>>>>>
>>>>> partner for you and your organization.
>>>>>
>>>>>> We're
>>>>>> proud that our products ensure you meet your research and business
>>>>>> goals
>>>>>> by driving the widespread use of data in decision making. We
>>>>>> group our
>>>>>> products in four "families" and they are designed to work
>>>>>> together as
>>> part
>>>>>> of one comprehensive analytics platform. To better reflect this
>>>>>> unity,
>>> our
>>>>>> products will be renamed under the Predictive Analytics Software
>>> (PASW(r))
>>>>>> portfolio umbrella.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Over the next year, you will see new naming introduced with each
>>>>>> release
>>>>>> of our software products.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Products in our Statistics family, like PASW Statistics (formerly
>>>>>> SPSS
>>>>>> Statistics), comprise the most widely used suite of statistical
>>>>>> software
>>>>>> in the world.
>>>>>> Our Modeling family, including our leading data-mining workbench
>>>>>> PASW
>>>>>> Modeler (formerly Clementine) is consistently positioned as the
>>>>>> leader
>>> in
>>>>>> the analytics space.
>>>>>> Our Data Collection family (formerly Dimensions), including PASW
>>>>>> Data
>>>>>> Collection Author and PASW
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> For miscellaneous statistical stuff, visit:
>>> http://gjyp.nl/marta/
>>>
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SR Millis-3

Re: SPSS now called PASW

In reply to this post by ajayohri

Actually, R is its "own" program---related to (the open source version), but separate, from S+.

http://cran.r-project.org/

And TIBCO recently bought S+ from Insightful---and gave it an eqaully ridiculous name: Spotfire S+

http://spotfire.tibco.com/products/s-plus.cfm

Scott R Millis, PhD, ABPP (CN,CL,RP), CStat, CSci
Professor & Director of Research
Dept of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation
Associate - Dept of Emergency Medicine

Wayne State University School of Medicine
261 Mack Blvd
Detroit, MI 48201
Email: [hidden email]
Tel: 313-993-8085
Fax: 313-966-7682

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Ajay ohri <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Ajay ohri <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 2:58 PM
> how about switching it to R if the name is important enough
>
>
> that is a cool name ( though they did change from S)
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Larry Burriss
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Sigh.
> >
> > I've been with SPSS since grad school and we were
> using punch cards and
> > 17.5 x 11 coding sheets. Remember the big blue
> reference books? We sure
> > thought we were hot stuff walking around campus with
> those. Remember having
> > to turn the card deck in at the computer center and
> waiting three or four
> > hours for the priests of the mainframe to run your
> job? And we thought we
> > were really clever when we used NCC1701 (the
> registration number for the
> > starship Enterprise) for our job numbers.
> >
> > Remember the first "interactive" version?
> We sat at a dumb terminal and
> > typed in the commands ("just remember, each line
> on the screen is the same
> > as one punch card")...then went over to the
> computer center and picked up
> > the output.
> >
> > And I still put the slash at the end of the previous
> line, rather than at
> > the beginning of the current line, like my quirky
> stats instructor told us
> > to "because it is more elegant."
> >
> > Somehow a world without SPSS won't be the same. I
> may have to switch to SAS
> > just to use a program that has a cool name.
> >
> > / Larry /
> >
> > LARRY L. BURRISS, Ph.D., J.D.
> > Professor
> > School of Journalism
> > Middle Tennessee State University
> > Murfreesboro, TN 37132
> >
> > 615-898-2983 [hidden email]
> http://mtsu.edu/~lburriss
> >
> >
> >
> > ***** This page made out of 100% recycled electrons
> *****
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SPSSX(r) Discussion
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> > Marta García-Granero
> > Sent: Wed, Apr 08, 2009 1:24 PM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
> >
> > Well, we can always refer to it as "The Program
> Formerly Known as SPSS"
> >
> > (quoting "The Artist Formerly Known as
> Prince")
> >
> > Should this list be renamed PASW-L? (just kidding,
> I'm in a sort of
> > funny before-holidays mood...)
> >
> > Marta
> >
> >
> >> This makes me sad. Changing names, OK, but
> removing SPSS from the naming
> >> convention seems to be removing the original and
> historical purpose of the
> >> package. I think Shakespeare was wrong; there is a
> lot in a name.
> >>
> >>
> >> Yup! Once you apply V17.0.2 it is now called PASW
> Statistics 17.0
> >>
> >> Nothing like changing the brand name
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> Is this a late April
> >>>> Fool's joke?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From the Desk of Jason Verlen
> >>>> Vice President & Chief Product
> Strategist of SPSS Inc.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's
> >>>> an exciting time at SPSS Inc.
> >>>> We're working diligently in 2009 to
> make SPSS Inc. an even more valued
> >>>>
> >>> partner for you and your organization.
> >>>
> >>>> We're
> >>>> proud that our products ensure you meet
> your research and business goals
> >>>> by driving the widespread use of data in
> decision making. We group our
> >>>> products in four "families" and
> they are designed to work together as
> > part
> >>>> of one comprehensive analytics platform.
> To better reflect this unity,
> > our
> >>>> products will be renamed under the
> Predictive Analytics Software
> > (PASW(r))
> >>>> portfolio umbrella.
> >>>>
> >>>> Over the next year, you will see new
> naming introduced with each release
> >>>> of our software products.
> >>>>
> >>>> Products in our Statistics family, like
> PASW Statistics (formerly SPSS
> >>>> Statistics), comprise the most widely used
> suite of statistical software
> >>>> in the world.
> >>>> Our Modeling family, including our leading
> data-mining workbench PASW
> >>>> Modeler (formerly Clementine) is
> consistently positioned as the leader
> > in
> >>>> the analytics space.
> >>>> Our Data Collection family (formerly
> Dimensions), including PASW Data
> >>>> Collection Author and PASW
> >>>>
> >>
> > --
> > For miscellaneous statistical stuff, visit:
> > http://gjyp.nl/marta/
> >
> > =====================
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> to
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> body text except the
> > command. To leave the list, send the command
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> the command
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> >
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>
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SR Millis-3

Re: SPSS now called PASW

In reply to this post by Craig Wood

I'd recommend the book: R for SAS and SPSS Users:

http://www.amazon.com/SAS-SPSS-Users-Statistics-Computing/dp/0387094172/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239230764&sr=8-1

Scott R Millis, PhD, ABPP (CN,CL,RP), CStat, CSci
Professor & Director of Research
Dept of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation
Associate - Dept of Emergency Medicine

Wayne State University School of Medicine
261 Mack Blvd
Detroit, MI 48201
Email: [hidden email]
Tel: 313-993-8085
Fax: 313-966-7682

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
> To: "SR Millis" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 6:28 PM
> What does R mean for those of us who don't write code?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SR Millis <[hidden email]>
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:11:37
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
>
>
> Actually, R is its "own" program---related to
> (the open source version), but separate, from S+.
>
> http://cran.r-project.org/
>
> And TIBCO recently bought S+ from Insightful---and gave it
> an eqaully ridiculous name: Spotfire S+
>
> http://spotfire.tibco.com/products/s-plus.cfm
>
>
> Scott R Millis, PhD, ABPP (CN,CL,RP), CStat, CSci
> Professor & Director of Research
> Dept of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation
> Associate - Dept of Emergency Medicine
>
> Wayne State University School of Medicine
> 261 Mack Blvd
> Detroit, MI 48201
> Email: [hidden email]
> Tel: 313-993-8085
> Fax: 313-966-7682
>
>
> --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Ajay ohri <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Ajay ohri <[hidden email]>
> > Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 2:58 PM
> > how about switching it to R if the name is important
> enough
> >
> >
> > that is a cool name ( though they did change from S)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Larry Burriss
> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > Sigh.
> > >
> > > I've been with SPSS since grad school and we
> were
> > using punch cards and
> > > 17.5 x 11 coding sheets. Remember the big blue
> > reference books? We sure
> > > thought we were hot stuff walking around campus
> with
> > those. Remember having
> > > to turn the card deck in at the computer center
> and
> > waiting three or four
> > > hours for the priests of the mainframe to run
> your
> > job? And we thought we
> > > were really clever when we used NCC1701 (the
> > registration number for the
> > > starship Enterprise) for our job numbers.
> > >
> > > Remember the first "interactive"
> version?
> > We sat at a dumb terminal and
> > > typed in the commands ("just remember, each
> line
> > on the screen is the same
> > > as one punch card")...then went over to the
> > computer center and picked up
> > > the output.
> > >
> > > And I still put the slash at the end of the
> previous
> > line, rather than at
> > > the beginning of the current line, like my
> quirky
> > stats instructor told us
> > > to "because it is more elegant."
> > >
> > > Somehow a world without SPSS won't be the
> same. I
> > may have to switch to SAS
> > > just to use a program that has a cool name.
> > >
> > > / Larry /
> > >
> > > LARRY L. BURRISS, Ph.D., J.D.
> > > Professor
> > > School of Journalism
> > > Middle Tennessee State University
> > > Murfreesboro, TN 37132
> > >
> > > 615-898-2983 [hidden email]
> > http://mtsu.edu/~lburriss
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ***** This page made out of 100% recycled
> electrons
> > *****
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: SPSSX(r) Discussion
> > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> > > Marta García-Granero
> > > Sent: Wed, Apr 08, 2009 1:24 PM
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
> > >
> > > Well, we can always refer to it as "The
> Program
> > Formerly Known as SPSS"
> > >
> > > (quoting "The Artist Formerly Known as
> > Prince")
> > >
> > > Should this list be renamed PASW-L? (just
> kidding,
> > I'm in a sort of
> > > funny before-holidays mood...)
> > >
> > > Marta
> > >
> > >
> > >> This makes me sad. Changing names, OK, but
> > removing SPSS from the naming
> > >> convention seems to be removing the original
> and
> > historical purpose of the
> > >> package. I think Shakespeare was wrong; there
> is a
> > lot in a name.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Yup! Once you apply V17.0.2 it is now called
> PASW
> > Statistics 17.0
> > >>
> > >> Nothing like changing the brand name
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>> Is this a late April
> > >>>> Fool's joke?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> From the Desk of Jason Verlen
> > >>>> Vice President & Chief Product
> > Strategist of SPSS Inc.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It's
> > >>>> an exciting time at SPSS Inc.
> > >>>> We're working diligently in 2009
> to
> > make SPSS Inc. an even more valued
> > >>>>
> > >>> partner for you and your organization.
> > >>>
> > >>>> We're
> > >>>> proud that our products ensure you
> meet
> > your research and business goals
> > >>>> by driving the widespread use of data
> in
> > decision making. We group our
> > >>>> products in four "families"
> and
> > they are designed to work together as
> > > part
> > >>>> of one comprehensive analytics
> platform.
> > To better reflect this unity,
> > > our
> > >>>> products will be renamed under the
> > Predictive Analytics Software
> > > (PASW(r))
> > >>>> portfolio umbrella.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Over the next year, you will see new
> > naming introduced with each release
> > >>>> of our software products.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Products in our Statistics family,
> like
> > PASW Statistics (formerly SPSS
> > >>>> Statistics), comprise the most widely
> used
> > suite of statistical software
> > >>>> in the world.
> > >>>> Our Modeling family, including our
> leading
> > data-mining workbench PASW
> > >>>> Modeler (formerly Clementine) is
> > consistently positioned as the leader
> > > in
> > >>>> the analytics space.
> > >>>> Our Data Collection family (formerly
> > Dimensions), including PASW Data
> > >>>> Collection Author and PASW
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > > --
> > > For miscellaneous statistical stuff, visit:
> > > http://gjyp.nl/marta/
> > >
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Florio Arguillas

Re: SPSS now called PASW

In reply to this post by Craig Wood

Anyone wants to start a PASW-L listserve? I won't :-)

At 01:49 PM 4/8/2009, Craig Wood wrote:

>Is this a late April Fool's joke?
>
>
> From the Desk of Jason Verlen
>Vice President & Chief Product Strategist of SPSS Inc.
>
>It's an exciting time at SPSS Inc. We're working diligently in 2009
>to make SPSS Inc. an even more valued partner for you and your organization.
>
>We're proud that our products ensure you meet your research and
>business goals by driving the widespread use of data in decision
>making. We group our products in four "families" and they are
>designed to work together as part of one comprehensive analytics
>platform. To better reflect this unity, our products will be renamed
>under the Predictive Analytics Software (PASW(r)) portfolio umbrella.
>
>Over the next year, you will see new naming introduced with each
>release of our software products.
>
>Products in our Statistics family, like PASW Statistics (formerly
>SPSS Statistics), comprise the most widely used suite of statistical
>software in the world.
>Our Modeling family, including our leading data-mining workbench
>PASW Modeler (formerly Clementine) is consistently positioned as the
>leader in the analytics space.
>Our Data Collection family (formerly Dimensions), including PASW
>Data Collection Author and PASW Reports for Surveys, helps you
>obtain an accurate view of customer attitudes and opinions.
>The Deployment family bridges the gap between analysis and action
>and includes products like PASW Collaboration and Deployment
>Services (formerly Predictive Enterprise Services).
>
>Rest assured that these name changes don't change the foundational
>technology on which you've come to count. We're continuing to build
>on our 40 year legacy with new products, enhanced performance, and
>robust deployment capabilities.
>
>SPSS Inc. will be doing its part to help you make predictive
>analytics a vital part of your business operations.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Jason Verlen
>
>
>
>
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David Wasserman

Re: SPSS now called PASW

In reply to this post by Eric Zylstra

Perhaps it's to be pronounced Pass-Wee (something I find I do more
frequently as I age. . .).

Probably not the imagery the marketing whizzes (whizzers?) had in mind.

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Eric Zylstra
Sent: April-08-09 2:42 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW

>>> On 4/8/2009 at 3:28 PM, in message
"<R. Abraham>" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> The best strategic solution was to
> rename SPSS to PASW. the runner up name was PWXZ : )

Does anyone know the accepted pronunciation? "Passooo"? "Paswa"? "SPSS"?

E

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The whole idea of changing the name of SPSS into PASW is ridiculous, as a business decision. That the company launches a Predictive Analytics Software is OK, that it names that product PASW is OK (if they think it is a good name -- I don't), but to change an established brand name which happens to be also one of the two or three dominant brand names in the field, is ludicrous. Imagine Coca Cola renamed (to suit some fancy image research) with some other name not associable with coca or cocaine or coke: many Coke fans would probably shift to Pepsi, hard as this might be for them at the beginning.

The awkward word PASSW reminded some of Pass-Wee, not a nice association. For me it sounds like the passing of Dubya, and anything associated with Dubya I don't like.

Hector

----- Mensaje original -----
De: Art Kendall <[hidden email]>
Fecha: Miércoles, Abril 8, 2009 4:50 pm
Asunto: Re: SPSS now called PASW

> I have often encountered mathematicians and statisticians who are
> explicitly derogatory about social sciences, even questioning if
> socialsciences are real. In many circles "social" connotes 1984 or
> "socialist". When I was wearing my hat as sr math statistician in a
> Congressional agency, they did not realize I am also a
> political/socialpsychologist
>
>
> However, I don't know how to pronounce PASW.
>
> I may have just shot myself in the foot. twice.
> 1) I just downloaded and installed the patch. I then uninstalled
> Python. When I got back to the page I found out that there may
> not be a
> Python for my 64-bit quad processor running Windows Vista
> Ultimate. All
> of the 64-bit versions were designated for servers.
>
> 2) I found one page that had a footnote saying that PASW will run
> in 32
> bit mode. If I am not mistaken about 17.0.1 it was running in 64-
> bit mode.
>
> Art Kendall
> Social Research Consultants
>
> John Fiedler wrote:
> > I am not sure that PASW will work.
> >
> > It might be confused with PASW Inc (formerly Pacific Software)
> >
> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2007_July_6/ai_n19345322/>
> >
> > Or maybe with the Performing Arts Studio West
> > http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/PASW
> >
> > Or perhaps with an Alaska airport at Skwentna
> > http://www.airnav.com/airport/PASW
> >
> > I'll not likely confuse it with SPSS!
> > JOHN
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Heidi Green" <[hidden email]>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 2:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
> >
> >
> >> I just assumed that the "SW" part was "SoftWare"??
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> >> Cho, Stanley
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:56 PM
> >> To: [hidden email]
> >> Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
> >>
> >> Why is it that I can not find what the "W" stands for on the
> website?>>
> >> Predictive Analytics Software...Whatever.
> >>
> >> What's in a name. Marketing strategy and re-branding aside, as
> long as
> >> the engine is the same, we'll continue to use it...
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> >> Charla Lopez
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:50 PM
> >> To: [hidden email]
> >> Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
> >>
> >> What about SPAWN? It's trendier.
> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Christian Bautista <[hidden email]>
> >>
> >> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:41:52
> >> To: <[hidden email]>
> >> Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't care about names, I just want a better SPSS or PASW.
> Why not
> >> SYSTAT, for some people, this is the father of SPSS.
> >> /Christian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Ajay ohri [[hidden email]]
> >> Sent: 04/09/2009 12:28 AM ZE5B
> >> To: [hidden email]
> >> Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> how about switching it to R if the name is important enough
> >>
> >>
> >> that is a cool name ( though they did change from S)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Larry Burriss <[hidden email]>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Sigh.
> >>>
> >>> I've been with SPSS since grad school and we were using punch
> cards and
> >>> 17.5 x 11 coding sheets. Remember the big blue reference
> books? We
> >>> sure
> >>> thought we were hot stuff walking around campus with those.
> Remember>>> having
> >>> to turn the card deck in at the computer center and waiting
> three or
> >>> four
> >>> hours for the priests of the mainframe to run your job? And
> we thought
> >>> we
> >>> were really clever when we used NCC1701 (the registration
> number for
> >>> the
> >>> starship Enterprise) for our job numbers.
> >>>
> >>> Remember the first "interactive" version? We sat at a dumb
> terminal>>> and
> >>> typed in the commands ("just remember, each line on the screen
> is the
> >>> same
> >>> as one punch card")...then went over to the computer center and
> >>> picked up
> >>> the output.
> >>>
> >>> And I still put the slash at the end of the previous line, rather
> >>> than at
> >>> the beginning of the current line, like my quirky stats
> instructor told
> >>> us
> >>> to "because it is more elegant."
> >>>
> >>> Somehow a world without SPSS won't be the same. I may have to
> >>> switch to
> >>> SAS
> >>> just to use a program that has a cool name.
> >>>
> >>> / Larry /
> >>>
> >>> LARRY L. BURRISS, Ph.D., J.D.
> >>> Professor
> >>> School of Journalism
> >>> Middle Tennessee State University
> >>> Murfreesboro, TN 37132
> >>>
> >>> 615-898-2983 [hidden email] http://mtsu.edu/~lburriss
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ***** This page made out of 100% recycled electrons *****
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [[hidden email]] On
> >>> Behalf Of
> >>> Marta García-Granero
> >>> Sent: Wed, Apr 08, 2009 1:24 PM
> >>> To: [hidden email]
> >>> Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
> >>>
> >>> Well, we can always refer to it as "The Program Formerly Known
> as SPSS"
> >>>
> >>> (quoting "The Artist Formerly Known as Prince")
> >>>
> >>> Should this list be renamed PASW-L? (just kidding, I'm in a
> sort of
> >>> funny before-holidays mood...)
> >>>
> >>> Marta
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> This makes me sad. Changing names, OK, but removing SPSS from the
> >>>> naming
> >>>> convention seems to be removing the original and historical
> purpose of
> >>>> the
> >>>> package. I think Shakespeare was wrong; there is a lot in a name.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Yup! Once you apply V17.0.2 it is now called PASW Statistics 17.0
> >>>>
> >>>> Nothing like changing the brand name
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Is this a late April
> >>>>>> Fool's joke?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> From the Desk of Jason Verlen
> >>>>>> Vice President & Chief Product Strategist of SPSS Inc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It's
> >>>>>> an exciting time at SPSS Inc.
> >>>>>> We're working diligently in 2009 to make SPSS Inc. an even more
> >>>>>> valued
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> partner for you and your organization.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> We're
> >>>>>> proud that our products ensure you meet your research and
> business>>>>>> goals
> >>>>>> by driving the widespread use of data in decision making. We
> >>>>>> group our
> >>>>>> products in four "families" and they are designed to work
> >>>>>> together as
> >>> part
> >>>>>> of one comprehensive analytics platform. To better reflect this
> >>>>>> unity,
> >>> our
> >>>>>> products will be renamed under the Predictive Analytics
> Software>>> (PASW(r))
> >>>>>> portfolio umbrella.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Over the next year, you will see new naming introduced with
> each>>>>>> release
> >>>>>> of our software products.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Products in our Statistics family, like PASW Statistics
> (formerly>>>>>> SPSS
> >>>>>> Statistics), comprise the most widely used suite of statistical
> >>>>>> software
> >>>>>> in the world.
> >>>>>> Our Modeling family, including our leading data-mining
> workbench>>>>>> PASW
> >>>>>> Modeler (formerly Clementine) is consistently positioned as the
> >>>>>> leader
> >>> in
> >>>>>> the analytics space.
> >>>>>> Our Data Collection family (formerly Dimensions), including
> PASW>>>>>> Data
> >>>>>> Collection Author and PASW
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
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Barnett, Adrian (DECS)

Re: SPSS now called PASW

In reply to this post by Craig Wood

This looks to me like the kind of thing that would only impress a shallow marketing droid. However, to anyone whose profession is to work with the tools, it's all rather nauseating.

I daresay some bunch of image consultants did quite well out of the 're-branding exercise', and possibly whoever in the company who decided to do it will be polishing up their CV and recording this as an achievement, but frankly I think the resources would have been better deployed on improving the product in substantive ways.

Regards,

Adrian Barnett
Information Analyst
Educational Measurement and Analysis
Data Management
DECS
ph 82261080

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Craig Wood
Sent: Thursday, 9 April 2009 3:19 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: SPSS now called PASW

Is this a late April Fool's joke?

From the Desk of Jason Verlen
Vice President & Chief Product Strategist of SPSS Inc.

It's an exciting time at SPSS Inc. We're working diligently in 2009 to make SPSS Inc. an even more valued partner for you and your organization.

We're proud that our products ensure you meet your research and business goals by driving the widespread use of data in decision making. We group our products in four "families" and they are designed to work together as part of one comprehensive analytics platform. To better reflect this unity, our products will be renamed under the Predictive Analytics Software (PASW(r)) portfolio umbrella.

Over the next year, you will see new naming introduced with each release of our software products.

Products in our Statistics family, like PASW Statistics (formerly SPSS Statistics), comprise the most widely used suite of statistical software in the world.
Our Modeling family, including our leading data-mining workbench PASW Modeler (formerly Clementine) is consistently positioned as the leader in the analytics space.
Our Data Collection family (formerly Dimensions), including PASW Data Collection Author and PASW Reports for Surveys, helps you obtain an accurate view of customer attitudes and opinions.
The Deployment family bridges the gap between analysis and action and includes products like PASW Collaboration and Deployment Services (formerly Predictive Enterprise Services).

Rest assured that these name changes don't change the foundational technology on which you've come to count. We're continuing to build on our 40 year legacy with new products, enhanced performance, and robust deployment capabilities.

SPSS Inc. will be doing its part to help you make predictive analytics a vital part of your business operations.

Best regards,

Jason Verlen

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Re: SPSS now called PASW

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I have to admit, Statistical Package for the Social Sciences does not fit the software because it is no longer directed toward social scientists. Yet couldn't they come up with a name that fits the initials SPSS? Uh, Statistical Programs for Smart Success? I guess not. That is almost as corny as "predictive analytics."

That aside, the new name is horrible. The kludge of a "W" in the initials? What? Soft-Ware? I guess PAS and most variations on that base were already trademarked. Yet the name itself, regardless of the initials, is bad. It is just business jargon. As trendy as the Jonas Brothers. Furthermore it is not accurate to what the software can do. "Predictive analytics" is a narrow subset of data analysis, not the whole domain. When the hucksters in business intelligence change their buzz words, PASW will be woefully passe.

Want to start a pool for predicting when "predictive analytics" will change it's name again? I'd place money on it being less than 10 years. Maybe by then R will be the standard in all academic courses and PASW will be doomed anyway. Going for the business market and not supporting academia is essentially killing the golden goose. All those students will stick with R.

Hddd

Hector Maletta wrote

The whole idea of changing the name of SPSS into PASW is ridiculous, as a business decision. That the company launches a Predictive Analytics Software is OK, that it names that product PASW is OK (if they think it is a good name -- I don't), but to change an established brand name which happens to be also one of the two or three dominant brand names in the field, is ludicrous. Imagine Coca Cola renamed (to suit some fancy image research) with some other name not associable with coca or cocaine or coke: many Coke fans would probably shift to Pepsi, hard as this might be for them at the beginning.

The awkward word PASSW reminded some of Pass-Wee, not a nice association. For me it sounds like the passing of Dubya, and anything associated with Dubya I don't like.

Hector

Gary Oliver

Re: SPSS now called PASW

In reply to this post by Barnett, Adrian (DECS)

Hi Adrian

I can't say it any better than you did

As always, thanks to the PSAW people who help us on the list

Warm regards/gary

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>On Behalf Of Barnett, Adrian (DECS)
>>Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:45 PM
>>To: [hidden email]
>>Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
>>
>>This looks to me like the kind of thing that would only
>>impress a shallow marketing droid. However, to anyone whose
>>profession is to work with the tools, it's all rather nauseating.
>>
>>I daresay some bunch of image consultants did quite well out
>>of the 're-branding exercise', and possibly whoever in the
>>company who decided to do it will be polishing up their CV
>>and recording this as an achievement, but frankly I think the
>>resources would have been better deployed on improving the
>>product in substantive ways.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>Adrian Barnett
>>Information Analyst
>>Educational Measurement and Analysis
>>Data Management
>>DECS
>>ph 82261080
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>On Behalf Of Craig Wood
>>Sent: Thursday, 9 April 2009 3:19 AM
>>To: [hidden email]
>>Subject: SPSS now called PASW
>>
>>Is this a late April Fool's joke?
>>
>>
>>From the Desk of Jason Verlen
>>Vice President & Chief Product Strategist of SPSS Inc.
>>
>>It's an exciting time at SPSS Inc. We're working diligently
>>in 2009 to make SPSS Inc. an even more valued partner for you
>>and your organization.
>>
>>We're proud that our products ensure you meet your research
>>and business goals by driving the widespread use of data in
>>decision making. We group our products in four "families" and
>>they are designed to work together as part of one
>>comprehensive analytics platform. To better reflect this
>>unity, our products will be renamed under the Predictive
>>Analytics Software (PASW(r)) portfolio umbrella.
>>
>>Over the next year, you will see new naming introduced with
>>each release of our software products.
>>
>>Products in our Statistics family, like PASW Statistics
>>(formerly SPSS Statistics), comprise the most widely used
>>suite of statistical software in the world.
>>Our Modeling family, including our leading data-mining
>>workbench PASW Modeler (formerly Clementine) is consistently
>>positioned as the leader in the analytics space.
>>Our Data Collection family (formerly Dimensions), including
>>PASW Data Collection Author and PASW Reports for Surveys,
>>helps you obtain an accurate view of customer attitudes and opinions.
>>The Deployment family bridges the gap between analysis and
>>action and includes products like PASW Collaboration and
>>Deployment Services (formerly Predictive Enterprise Services).
>>
>>Rest assured that these name changes don't change the
>>foundational technology on which you've come to count. We're
>>continuing to build on our 40 year legacy with new products,
>>enhanced performance, and robust deployment capabilities.
>>
>>SPSS Inc. will be doing its part to help you make predictive
>>analytics a vital part of your business operations.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>
>>Jason Verlen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>This communication is intended for the use of the recipient
>>to which it is addressed, and may contain confidential,
>>personal, and or privileged information. Please contact the
>>sender immediately if you are not the intended recipient of
>>this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take
>>action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or
>>subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed.
>>
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HBaize

Re: SPSS now called PASW

In reply to this post by HBaize

The full expression of course is: "the goose that laid the golden egg." Should proof my posts.

HBaize wrote

the golden goose.

Dennis Deck

Re: SPSS now called PASW

In reply to this post by Craig Wood

I have been using SPSS approaching 40 years now (gasp).
This marketing change seems poorly conceived.
To me the product will always be SPSS.

Dennis Deck, PhD
RMC Research
Portland, OR

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T.S. Lim

Re: SPSS now called PASW

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I guess it's the right time to get serious about R.

What are SPSS, Inc obsessed with prediction? Not all we do is about
prediction. Many times is about evaluation.

Don't they understanding the marketing concept of Brand Equity?

T.S. Lim
Research Director
Ipsos Indonesia

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From: "HBaize" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [SPSSX-L] SPSS now called PASW

>I have to admit, Statistical Package for the Social Sciences does not fit
> the software because it is no longer directed toward social scientists.
> Yet
> couldn't they come up with a name that fits the initials SPSS? Uh,
> Statistical Programs for Smart Success? I guess not. That is almost as
> corny
> as "predictive analytics."
>
> That aside, the new name is horrible. The kludge of a "W" in the initials?
> What? Soft-Ware? I guess PAS and most variations on that base were already
> trademarked. Yet the name itself, regardless of the initials, is bad. It
> is
> just business jargon. As trendy as the Jonas Brothers. Furthermore it is
> not
> accurate to what the software can do. "Predictive analytics" is a narrow
> subset of data analysis, not the whole domain. When the hucksters in
> business intelligence change their buzz words, PASW will be woefully
> passe.
>
> Want to start a pool for predicting when "predictive analytics" will
> change
> it's name again? I'd place money on it being less than 10 years. Maybe by
> then R will be the standard in all academic courses and PASW will be
> doomed
> anyway. Going for the business market and not supporting academia is
> essentially killing the golden goose. All those students will stick with
> R.
>
> Hddd
>
>
> Hector Maletta wrote:
>>
>> The whole idea of changing the name of SPSS into PASW is ridiculous, as a
>> business decision. That the company launches a Predictive Analytics
>> Software is OK, that it names that product PASW is OK (if they think it
>> is
>> a good name -- I don't), but to change an established brand name which
>> happens to be also one of the two or three dominant brand names in the
>> field, is ludicrous. Imagine Coca Cola renamed (to suit some fancy image
>> research) with some other name not associable with coca or cocaine or
>> coke: many Coke fans would probably shift to Pepsi, hard as this might be
>> for them at the beginning.
>>
>> The awkward word PASSW reminded some of Pass-Wee, not a nice association.
>> For me it sounds like the passing of Dubya, and anything associated with
>> Dubya I don't like.
>>
>> Hector

E. Bernardo

Re: SPSS now called PASW

In reply to this post by Craig Wood

Was that email endorsed by SPSS, Inc.? What do you think?

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Craig Wood <wood@acd..mhc.ab.ca> wrote:

From: Craig Wood <[hidden email]>
Subject: SPSS now called PASW
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, 8 April, 2009, 5:49 PM

Is this a late April Fool's joke?

From the Desk of Jason Verlen
Vice President & Chief Product Strategist of SPSS Inc.

It's an exciting time at SPSS Inc. We're working diligently in 2009 to make SPSS Inc. an even more valued partner for you and your organization.

We're proud that our products ensure you meet your research and business goals by driving the widespread use of data in decision making. We group our products in four "families" and they are designed to work together as part of one comprehensive analytics platform. To better reflect this unity, our products will be renamed under the Predictive Analytics Software (PASW(r)) portfolio umbrella.

Over the next year, you will see new naming introduced with each release of our software products.

Products in our Statistics family, like PASW Statistics (formerly SPSS Statistics), comprise the most widely used suite of statistical software in the world.
Our Modeling family, including our leading data-mining workbench PASW Modeler (formerly Clementine) is consistently positioned as the leader in the analytics space.
Our Data Collection family (formerly Dimensions), including PASW Data Collection Author and PASW Reports for Surveys, helps you obtain an accurate view of customer attitudes and opinions.
The Deployment family bridges the gap between analysis and action and includes products like PASW Collaboration and Deployment Services (formerly Predictive Enterprise Services).

Rest assured that these name changes don't change the foundational technology on which you've come to count. We're continuing to build on our 40 year legacy with new products, enhanced performance, and robust deployment capabilities.

SPSS Inc. will be doing its part to help you make predictive analytics a vital part of your business operations.

Best regards,

Jason Verlen

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David Lindsay-4

Re: SPSS now called PASW

> Was that email endorsed by SPSS, Inc.? What do you think?

If he has a job tomorrow, we'll know then.

I cannot believe that SPSS is prepared to throw away all of
that accrued brand equity. It costs a lot of money to re-brand
and many organisations have failed to do it successfully.

Regards

> --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Craig Wood <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> From: Craig Wood <[hidden email]>
> Subject: SPSS now called PASW
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Wednesday, 8 April, 2009, 5:49 PM
>
>
> Is this a late April Fool's joke?
>
>
> From the Desk of Jason Verlen
> Vice President & Chief Product Strategist of SPSS Inc.
>
> It's an exciting time at SPSS Inc. We're working diligently in
> 2009 to make SPSS Inc. an even more valued partner for you and
> your organization.
>
> We're proud that our products ensure you meet your research and
> business goals by driving the widespread use of data in
> decision making. We group our products in four "families" and
> they are designed to work together as part of one comprehensive
> analytics platform. To better reflect this unity, our products
> will be renamed under the Predictive Analytics Software
> (PASW(r)) portfolio umbrella.
>
> Over the next year, you will see new naming introduced with
> each release of our software products.
>
> Products in our Statistics family, like PASW Statistics
> (formerly SPSS Statistics), comprise the most widely used suite
> of statistical software in the world.
> Our Modeling family, including our leading data-mining
> workbench PASW Modeler (formerly Clementine) is consistently
> positioned as the leader in the analytics space.
> Our Data Collection family (formerly Dimensions), including
> PASW Data Collection Author and PASW Reports for Surveys, helps
> you obtain an accurate view of customer attitudes and opinions.
> The Deployment family bridges the gap between analysis and
> action and includes products like PASW Collaboration and
> Deployment Services (formerly Predictive Enterprise Services).
>
> Rest assured that these name changes don't change the
> foundational technology on which you've come to count. We're
> continuing to build on our 40 year legacy with new products,
> enhanced performance, and robust deployment capabilities.
>
> SPSS Inc. will be doing its part to help you make predictive
> analytics a vital part of your business operations.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jason Verlen
>
>
>
>
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Muir Houston-2

Re: SPSS now called PASW

In reply to this post by Barnett, Adrian (DECS)

Re: SPSS now called PASW

perhaps someone on the list was closer to the point than they think - what if SPSS was implicated (as the software used to model or test these toxic debt repackages) when the forensic accountants start to dig into the banks

now that means a new name with no possible associations with the old would be sensible marketing

or is that too near to a conspiracy theory?

Dr Muir Houston

Lecturer

DACE

Faculty of Education

University of Glasgow

0141-330-4699

From: SPSSX(r) Discussion on behalf of Barnett, Adrian (DECS)
Sent: Thu 09/04/2009 03:44
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW

This looks to me like the kind of thing that would only impress a shallow marketing droid. However, to anyone whose profession is to work with the tools, it's all rather nauseating.

I daresay some bunch of image consultants did quite well out of the 're-branding exercise', and possibly whoever in the company who decided to do it will be polishing up their CV and recording this as an achievement, but frankly I think the resources would have been better deployed on improving the product in substantive ways.

Regards,

Adrian Barnett
Information Analyst
Educational Measurement and Analysis
Data Management
DECS
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-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Craig Wood
Sent: Thursday, 9 April 2009 3:19 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: SPSS now called PASW

Is this a late April Fool's joke?

From the Desk of Jason Verlen
Vice President & Chief Product Strategist of SPSS Inc.

It's an exciting time at SPSS Inc. We're working diligently in 2009 to make SPSS Inc. an even more valued partner for you and your organization.

We're proud that our products ensure you meet your research and business goals by driving the widespread use of data in decision making. We group our products in four "families" and they are designed to work together as part of one comprehensive analytics platform. To better reflect this unity, our products will be renamed under the Predictive Analytics Software (PASW(r)) portfolio umbrella.

Over the next year, you will see new naming introduced with each release of our software products.

Products in our Statistics family, like PASW Statistics (formerly SPSS Statistics), comprise the most widely used suite of statistical software in the world.
Our Modeling family, including our leading data-mining workbench PASW Modeler (formerly Clementine) is consistently positioned as the leader in the analytics space.
Our Data Collection family (formerly Dimensions), including PASW Data Collection Author and PASW Reports for Surveys, helps you obtain an accurate view of customer attitudes and opinions.
The Deployment family bridges the gap between analysis and action and includes products like PASW Collaboration and Deployment Services (formerly Predictive Enterprise Services).

Rest assured that these name changes don't change the foundational technology on which you've come to count. We're continuing to build on our 40 year legacy with new products, enhanced performance, and robust deployment capabilities.

SPSS Inc. will be doing its part to help you make predictive analytics a vital part of your business operations.

Best regards,

Jason Verlen

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Martin P. Holt-2

Re: SPSS now called PASW

In reply to this post by Vito Palligas-2

There seems to be a marketing paradigm developing that the more arcane the name, the more product is likely to be popular. There was R...not easy to search on. More recently there has been wii.....potentially embarassing, in English....I won't go into why. But you have to think about it to pronounce it......and maybe that's what marketeers are after with PASW. In this case, however, I think it'll backfire: PASW cannot be pronounced, so potential customers are going to think, "If that's the best they can do, what's the product like ? I'm going elsewhere !" I always find it hard to believe, but a lot of money will have been spent on this rebranding, that should have been spent on improving the product. The customer-base is not 'your man on the street', who might not see through this sort of exercise, but formed of intelligent people who.....although I've not seen this spelt out on the list so far...are frankly insulted by this. Does anyone else feel like that ?

Martin Holt

----- Original Message -----

From: [hidden email]

To: [hidden email]

Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:31 PM

Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW

I started out with DOS using SPSS/PC as a sociology undergraduate student. One of the few "code freaks" interested in programming. I understand that SPSS is not the Statistical Package for the Social Sciences as it was in the beginning, particularly after the boom of Business Intelligence and Data Mining. Ive also moved on professionally from the social sciences to Data Mining in the telecom area. Change is obviously needed in a dynamic environment, but they could have been much more creative!!! I agree that its a bit embarrassing to say I work for example with PAWS Statistics or Modeler instead of SPSS or Clementine. The name is simply freaky. How are you supposed to pronounce it? SAS definitely sounds much cooler. I hope theres willingness on SPSSs behalf to recognize the marketing error and change the names to something more attractive.

-----Mensaje original-----
De: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre de Ajay ohri
Enviado el: Miércoles, 08 de Abril de 2009 14:59
Para: [hidden email]
Asunto: Re: SPSS now called PASW

how about switching it to R if the name is important enough

that is a cool name ( though they did change from S)

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Larry Burriss <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Sigh.

>

> I've been with SPSS since grad school and we were using punch cards and

> 17.5 x 11 coding sheets. Remember the big blue reference books? We sure

> thought we were hot stuff walking around campus with those. Remember having

> to turn the card deck in at the computer center and waiting three or four

> hours for the priests of the mainframe to run your job? And we thought we

> were really clever when we used NCC1701 (the registration number for the

> starship Enterprise) for our job numbers.

>

> Remember the first "interactive" version? We sat at a dumb terminal and

> typed in the commands ("just remember, each line on the screen is the same

> as one punch card")...then went over to the computer center and picked up

> the output.

>

> And I still put the slash at the end of the previous line, rather than at

> the beginning of the current line, like my quirky stats instructor told us

> to "because it is more elegant."

>

> Somehow a world without SPSS won't be the same. I may have to switch to SAS

> just to use a program that has a cool name.

>

> / Larry /

>

> LARRY L. BURRISS, Ph.D., J.D.

> Professor

> School of Journalism

> Middle Tennessee State University

> Murfreesboro, TN 37132

>

> 615-898-2983 [hidden email] http://mtsu.edu/~lburriss

>

>

>

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>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of

> Marta García-Granero

> Sent: Wed, Apr 08, 2009 1:24 PM

> To: [hidden email]

> Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW

>

> Well, we can always refer to it as "The Program Formerly Known as SPSS"

>

> (quoting "The Artist Formerly Known as Prince")

>

> Should this list be renamed PASW-L? (just kidding, I'm in a sort of

> funny before-holidays mood...)

>

> Marta

>

>

>> This makes me sad. Changing names, OK, but removing SPSS from the naming

>> convention seems to be removing the original and historical purpose of the

>> package. I think Shakespeare was wrong; there is a lot in a name.

>>

>>

>> Yup! Once you apply V17.0.2 it is now called PASW Statistics 17.0

>>

>> Nothing like changing the brand name

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>>> Is this a late April

>>>> Fool's joke?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> From the Desk of Jason Verlen

>>>> Vice President & Chief Product Strategist of SPSS Inc.

>>>>

>>>> It's

>>>> an exciting time at SPSS Inc.

>>>> We're working diligently in 2009 to make SPSS Inc. an even more valued

>>>>

>>> partner for you and your organization.

>>>

>>>> We're

>>>> proud that our products ensure you meet your research and business goals

>>>> by driving the widespread use of data in decision making. We group our

>>>> products in four "families" and they are designed to work together as

> part

>>>> of one comprehensive analytics platform. To better reflect this unity,

> our

>>>> products will be renamed under the Predictive Analytics Software

> (PASW(r))

>>>> portfolio umbrella.

>>>>

>>>> Over the next year, you will see new naming introduced with each release

>>>> of our software products.

>>>>

>>>> Products in our Statistics family, like PASW Statistics (formerly SPSS

>>>> Statistics), comprise the most widely used suite of statistical software

>>>> in the world.

>>>> Our Modeling family, including our leading data-mining workbench PASW

>>>> Modeler (formerly Clementine) is consistently positioned as the leader

> in

>>>> the analytics space.

>>>> Our Data Collection family (formerly Dimensions), including PASW Data

>>>> Collection Author and PASW

>>>>

>>

> --

> For miscellaneous statistical stuff, visit:

> http://gjyp.nl/marta/

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ajayohri

Re: SPSS now called PASW

The basic assumpyion is that future customers are going to be the same
as existing customers - that is not likely.

Also people who build predictive algorithms and have stayed in this
long enough would have anticipated some amount of community dis
satisfaction and balanced it with the benefits of a new future.

SPSS had nice licensing policies, best GUI (still) even though they
could add more RIA, never aggressive as softwares which were better at
big datasets on same system resources (allegedly) and had much worse
GUIs (cough)

stole the march over SPSS.

Do you want to be using the Number 2 statistical software for ever.

Predictive Analytics Software (PAS) and PASW denote a brave new future
unfettered by brand associations of the past.

if they change the name back to SPSS from PASW, I will move to R and
Linux for the remaining part of the decade.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Martin Holt <[hidden email]> wrote:

> There seems to be a marketing paradigm developing that the more arcane the
> name, the more product is likely to be popular. There was R...not easy to
> search on. More recently there has been wii.....potentially embarassing, in
> English....I won't go into why. But you have to think about it to pronounce
> it......and maybe that's what marketeers are after with PASW. In this case,
> however, I think it'll backfire: PASW cannot be pronounced, so potential
> customers are going to think, "If that's the best they can do, what's the
> product like ? I'm going elsewhere !" I always find it hard to believe, but
> a lot of money will have been spent on this rebranding, that should have
> been spent on improving the product. The customer-base is not 'your man on
> the street', who might not see through this sort of exercise, but formed of
> intelligent people who.....although I've not seen this spelt out on the list
> so far...are frankly insulted by this. Does anyone else feel like that ?
>
> Martin Holt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vito Palligas
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
>
> I started out with DOS using SPSS/PC as a sociology undergraduate student.
> One of the few "code freaks" interested in programming. I understand that
> SPSS is not the “Statistical Package for the Social Sciences” as it was in
> the beginning, particularly after the boom of Business Intelligence and Data
> Mining. I’ve also moved on professionally from the social sciences to Data
> Mining in the telecom area. Change is obviously needed in a dynamic
> environment, but they could have been much more creative!!! I agree that
> it’s a bit embarrassing to say I work for example with PAWS Statistics or
> Modeler instead of SPSS or Clementine. The name is simply freaky. How are
> you supposed to pronounce it? SAS definitely sounds much cooler. I hope
> there’s willingness on SPSS’s behalf to recognize the marketing error and
> change the names to something more attractive.
>
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre de Ajay
> ohri
> Enviado el: Miércoles, 08 de Abril de 2009 14:59
> Para: [hidden email]
> Asunto: Re: SPSS now called PASW
>
>
>
> how about switching it to R if the name is important enough
>
>
>
>
>
> that is a cool name ( though they did change from S)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Larry Burriss <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Sigh.
>
>>
>
>> I've been with SPSS since grad school and we were using punch cards and
>
>> 17.5 x 11 coding sheets. Remember the big blue reference books? We sure
>
>> thought we were hot stuff walking around campus with those. Remember
>> having
>
>> to turn the card deck in at the computer center and waiting three or four
>
>> hours for the priests of the mainframe to run your job? And we thought we
>
>> were really clever when we used NCC1701 (the registration number for the
>
>> starship Enterprise) for our job numbers.
>
>>
>
>> Remember the first "interactive" version? We sat at a dumb terminal and
>
>> typed in the commands ("just remember, each line on the screen is the same
>
>> as one punch card")...then went over to the computer center and picked up
>
>> the output.
>
>>
>
>> And I still put the slash at the end of the previous line, rather than at
>
>> the beginning of the current line, like my quirky stats instructor told us
>
>> to "because it is more elegant."
>
>>
>
>> Somehow a world without SPSS won't be the same. I may have to switch to
>> SAS
>
>> just to use a program that has a cool name.
>
>>
>
>> / Larry /
>
>>
>
>> LARRY L. BURRISS, Ph.D., J.D.
>
>> Professor
>
>> School of Journalism
>
>> Middle Tennessee State University
>
>> Murfreesboro, TN 37132
>
>>
>
>> 615-898-2983 [hidden email] http://mtsu.edu/~lburriss
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> ***** This page made out of 100% recycled electrons *****
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>
>> Marta García-Granero
>
>> Sent: Wed, Apr 08, 2009 1:24 PM
>
>> To: [hidden email]
>
>> Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
>
>>
>
>> Well, we can always refer to it as "The Program Formerly Known as SPSS"
>
>>
>
>> (quoting "The Artist Formerly Known as Prince")
>
>>
>
>> Should this list be renamed PASW-L? (just kidding, I'm in a sort of
>
>> funny before-holidays mood...)
>
>>
>
>> Marta
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>> This makes me sad. Changing names, OK, but removing SPSS from the naming
>
>>> convention seems to be removing the original and historical purpose of
>>> the
>
>>> package. I think Shakespeare was wrong; there is a lot in a name.
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> Yup! Once you apply V17.0.2 it is now called PASW Statistics 17.0
>
>>>
>
>>> Nothing like changing the brand name
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>>> Is this a late April
>
>>>>> Fool's joke?
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>> From the Desk of Jason Verlen
>
>>>>> Vice President & Chief Product Strategist of SPSS Inc.
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>> It's
>
>>>>> an exciting time at SPSS Inc.
>
>>>>> We're working diligently in 2009 to make SPSS Inc. an even more valued
>
>>>>>
>
>>>> partner for you and your organization.
>
>>>>
>
>>>>> We're
>
>>>>> proud that our products ensure you meet your research and business
>>>>> goals
>
>>>>> by driving the widespread use of data in decision making. We group our
>
>>>>> products in four "families" and they are designed to work together as
>
>> part
>
>>>>> of one comprehensive analytics platform. To better reflect this unity,
>
>> our
>
>>>>> products will be renamed under the Predictive Analytics Software
>
>> (PASW(r))
>
>>>>> portfolio umbrella.
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>> Over the next year, you will see new naming introduced with each
>>>>> release
>
>>>>> of our software products.
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>> Products in our Statistics family, like PASW Statistics (formerly SPSS
>
>>>>> Statistics), comprise the most widely used suite of statistical
>>>>> software
>
>>>>> in the world.
>
>>>>> Our Modeling family, including our leading data-mining workbench PASW
>
>>>>> Modeler (formerly Clementine) is consistently positioned as the leader
>
>> in
>
>>>>> the analytics space.
>
>>>>> Our Data Collection family (formerly Dimensions), including PASW Data
>
>>>>> Collection Author and PASW
>
>>>>>
>
>>>
>
>> --
>
>> For miscellaneous statistical stuff, visit:
>
>> http://gjyp.nl/marta/
>
>>
>
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Soley, Bonita (HQ-LF010)

Re: SPSS now called PASW

In reply to this post by E. Bernardo

Greetings,

I'm new to the list but not new to SPSS - won't admit the years I've used it, to scary! Per coincidence, if you believe in such, I was talking with the SPSS sales rep yesterday about some training that I didn't see listed, and he informed me of the name change. It took me a bit to realize he wasn't joking!

His explanation was that the company wanted the name of the company itself to be separate from the products - they feel that having the product named the same as the company, especially now that they have different software "lines," was confusing. (Something SAS never had an issue with, maybe that's one of the reasons?)

As with others on the list - I will always call it SPSS, and Clementine will be Clementine. This is going to wreak havoc with our IT dept - it took them months to figure out what SPSS was in the first place and months to agree that I could have it installed, now we'll have some fun all over again!

Bonita

From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Eins Bernardo
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:33 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW

Was that email endorsed by SPSS, Inc.? What do you think?

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Craig Wood <wood@acd..mhc.ab.ca> wrote:

From: Craig Wood <[hidden email]>
Subject: SPSS now called PASW
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, 8 April, 2009, 5:49 PM

Is this a late April Fool's joke?

From the Desk of Jason Verlen
Vice President & Chief Product Strategist of SPSS Inc.

It's an exciting time at SPSS Inc. We're working diligently in 2009 to make SPSS Inc. an even more valued partner for you and your organization.

We're proud that our products ensure you meet your research and business goals by driving the widespread use of data in decision making. We group our products in four "families" and they are designed to work together as part of one comprehensive analytics platform. To better reflect this unity, our products will be renamed under the Predictive Analytics Software (PASW(r)) portfolio umbrella.

Over the next year, you will see new naming introduced with each release of our software products.

Products in our Statistics family, like PASW Statistics (formerly SPSS Statistics), comprise the most widely used suite of statistical software in the world.
Our Modeling family, including our leading data-mining workbench PASW Modeler (formerly Clementine) is consistently positioned as the leader in the analytics space.
Our Data Collection family (formerly Dimensions), including PASW Data Collection Author and PASW Reports for Surveys, helps you obtain an accurate view of customer attitudes and opinions.
The Deployment family bridges the gap between analysis and action and includes products like PASW Collaboration and Deployment Services (formerly Predictive Enterprise Services).

Rest assured that these name changes don't change the foundational technology on which you've come to count. We're continuing to build on our 40 year legacy with new products, enhanced performance, and robust deployment capabilities.

SPSS Inc. will be doing its part to help you make predictive analytics a vital part of your business operations.

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Re: SPSS now called PASW

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What is the likelihood that SPSS clients would shift to R?

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Re: SPSS now called PASW

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Ajay ohri wrote, Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:56 AM

> The basic assumpyion is that future customers are going to be the same
> as existing customers - that is not likely.

No, there is no such assumption, other than that anyone intelligent is going
to question the choice of the name. But then, as this list has shown so far,
any publicity is better than no publicity.

>
> Also people who build predictive algorithms and have stayed in this
> long enough would have anticipated some amount of community dis
> satisfaction and balanced it with the benefits of a new future.

Sorry, common-sense says that this name is a non-flyer...I don't need
predictive algorithms. Dealing with the fall-out from this choice....that's
a different matter. But why put yourself through the grief.... why not
choose a better name to start off with ? Your Wiki ref, especially the ref
given in that ref, explains why the name might have changed. It also might
explain why the change has been so precipitate....I don't think much of the
thought processes you describe will have happened.

>
> SPSS had nice licensing policies, best GUI (still) even though they
> could add more RIA, never aggressive as softwares which were better at
> big datasets on same system resources (allegedly) and had much worse
> GUIs (cough)
>
> stole the march over SPSS.
>
> Do you want to be using the Number 2 statistical software for ever.

I'd be happy if it stayed at number 2 after this, and did not fall to 3 or 4
or...But seriously, a rose by any other name is different in this
consumer-oriented market; even if you ignore that, why should rebranding
like this improve the ranking ?

>
> Predictive Analytics Software (PAS) and PASW denote a brave new future
> unfettered by brand associations of the past.

This sounds like a quote from "1984" or "Brave New World" ! I really don't
think SPSSers have such short memories as you seem to be attributing them
with. It is this kind of propaganda that I, for one, find insulting.

>
> if they change the name back to SPSS from PASW, I will move to R and
> Linux for the remaining part of the decade.
>
Not much of a concession, Ajay, there's not many more months to
go....Realistically, I don't expext a change back now, or indeed a change to
another name (please....you've probably spent enough already !). You're
point about the value of the stock is a good one.....does the timing include
the date that this announcement was made ? If not, let's watch this
space......if the reaction on this list is anything to go by...

Martin Holt

> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Martin Holt <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>> There seems to be a marketing paradigm developing that the more arcane
>> the
>> name, the more product is likely to be popular. There was R...not easy to
>> search on. More recently there has been wii.....potentially embarassing,
>> in
>> English....I won't go into why. But you have to think about it to
>> pronounce
>> it......and maybe that's what marketeers are after with PASW. In this
>> case,
>> however, I think it'll backfire: PASW cannot be pronounced, so potential
>> customers are going to think, "If that's the best they can do, what's the
>> product like ? I'm going elsewhere !" I always find it hard to believe,
>> but
>> a lot of money will have been spent on this rebranding, that should have
>> been spent on improving the product. The customer-base is not 'your man
>> on
>> the street', who might not see through this sort of exercise, but formed
>> of
>> intelligent people who.....although I've not seen this spelt out on the
>> list
>> so far...are frankly insulted by this. Does anyone else feel like that ?
>>
>> Martin Holt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ajay ohri" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW

> The basic assumpyion is that future customers are going to be the same
> as existing customers - that is not likely.
>
> Also people who build predictive algorithms and have stayed in this
> long enough would have anticipated some amount of community dis
> satisfaction and balanced it with the benefits of a new future.
>
> SPSS had nice licensing policies, best GUI (still) even though they
> could add more RIA, never aggressive as softwares which were better at
> big datasets on same system resources (allegedly) and had much worse
> GUIs (cough)
>
> stole the march over SPSS.
>
> Do you want to be using the Number 2 statistical software for ever.
>
> Predictive Analytics Software (PAS) and PASW denote a brave new future
> unfettered by brand associations of the past.
>
> if they change the name back to SPSS from PASW, I will move to R and
> Linux for the remaining part of the decade.
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Martin Holt <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>> There seems to be a marketing paradigm developing that the more arcane
>> the
>> name, the more product is likely to be popular. There was R...not easy to
>> search on. More recently there has been wii.....potentially embarassing,
>> in
>> English....I won't go into why. But you have to think about it to
>> pronounce
>> it......and maybe that's what marketeers are after with PASW. In this
>> case,
>> however, I think it'll backfire: PASW cannot be pronounced, so potential
>> customers are going to think, "If that's the best they can do, what's the
>> product like ? I'm going elsewhere !" I always find it hard to believe,
>> but
>> a lot of money will have been spent on this rebranding, that should have
>> been spent on improving the product. The customer-base is not 'your man
>> on
>> the street', who might not see through this sort of exercise, but formed
>> of
>> intelligent people who.....although I've not seen this spelt out on the
>> list
>> so far...are frankly insulted by this. Does anyone else feel like that ?
>>
>> Martin Holt
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Vito Palligas
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
>>
>> I started out with DOS using SPSS/PC as a sociology undergraduate
>> student.
>> One of the few "code freaks" interested in programming. I understand that
>> SPSS is not the “Statistical Package for the Social Sciences” as it was
>> in
>> the beginning, particularly after the boom of Business Intelligence and
>> Data
>> Mining. I’ve also moved on professionally from the social sciences to
>> Data
>> Mining in the telecom area. Change is obviously needed in a dynamic
>> environment, but they could have been much more creative!!! I agree that
>> it’s a bit embarrassing to say I work for example with PAWS Statistics or
>> Modeler instead of SPSS or Clementine. The name is simply freaky. How are
>> you supposed to pronounce it? SAS definitely sounds much cooler. I hope
>> there’s willingness on SPSS’s behalf to recognize the marketing error and
>> change the names to something more attractive.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre de
>> Ajay
>> ohri
>> Enviado el: Miércoles, 08 de Abril de 2009 14:59
>> Para: [hidden email]
>> Asunto: Re: SPSS now called PASW
>>
>>
>>
>> how about switching it to R if the name is important enough
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> that is a cool name ( though they did change from S)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Larry Burriss <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Sigh.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I've been with SPSS since grad school and we were using punch cards and
>>
>>> 17.5 x 11 coding sheets. Remember the big blue reference books? We
>>> sure
>>
>>> thought we were hot stuff walking around campus with those. Remember
>>> having
>>
>>> to turn the card deck in at the computer center and waiting three or
>>> four
>>
>>> hours for the priests of the mainframe to run your job? And we thought
>>> we
>>
>>> were really clever when we used NCC1701 (the registration number for the
>>
>>> starship Enterprise) for our job numbers.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Remember the first "interactive" version? We sat at a dumb terminal and
>>
>>> typed in the commands ("just remember, each line on the screen is the
>>> same
>>
>>> as one punch card")...then went over to the computer center and picked
>>> up
>>
>>> the output.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> And I still put the slash at the end of the previous line, rather than
>>> at
>>
>>> the beginning of the current line, like my quirky stats instructor told
>>> us
>>
>>> to "because it is more elegant."
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Somehow a world without SPSS won't be the same. I may have to switch to
>>> SAS
>>
>>> just to use a program that has a cool name.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> / Larry /
>>
>>>
>>
>>> LARRY L. BURRISS, Ph.D., J.D.
>>
>>> Professor
>>
>>> School of Journalism
>>
>>> Middle Tennessee State University
>>
>>> Murfreesboro, TN 37132
>>
>>>
>>
>>> 615-898-2983 [hidden email] http://mtsu.edu/~lburriss
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> ***** This page made out of 100% recycled electrons *****
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>>
>>> Marta García-Granero
>>
>>> Sent: Wed, Apr 08, 2009 1:24 PM
>>
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>
>>> Subject: Re: SPSS now called PASW
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Well, we can always refer to it as "The Program Formerly Known as SPSS"
>>
>>>
>>
>>> (quoting "The Artist Formerly Known as Prince")
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Should this list be renamed PASW-L? (just kidding, I'm in a sort of
>>
>>> funny before-holidays mood...)
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Marta
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> This makes me sad. Changing names, OK, but removing SPSS from the
>>>> naming
>>
>>>> convention seems to be removing the original and historical purpose of
>>>> the
>>
>>>> package. I think Shakespeare was wrong; there is a lot in a name.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Yup! Once you apply V17.0.2 it is now called PASW Statistics 17.0
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Nothing like changing the brand name
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>> Is this a late April
>>
>>>>>> Fool's joke?
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> From the Desk of Jason Verlen
>>
>>>>>> Vice President & Chief Product Strategist of SPSS Inc.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> It's
>>
>>>>>> an exciting time at SPSS Inc.
>>
>>>>>> We're working diligently in 2009 to make SPSS Inc. an even more
>>>>>> valued
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>> partner for you and your organization.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> We're
>>
>>>>>> proud that our products ensure you meet your research and business
>>>>>> goals
>>
>>>>>> by driving the widespread use of data in decision making. We group
>>>>>> our
>>
>>>>>> products in four "families" and they are designed to work together as
>>
>>> part
>>
>>>>>> of one comprehensive analytics platform. To better reflect this
>>>>>> unity,
>>
>>> our
>>
>>>>>> products will be renamed under the Predictive Analytics Software
>>
>>> (PASW(r))
>>
>>>>>> portfolio umbrella.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> Over the next year, you will see new naming introduced with each
>>>>>> release
>>
>>>>>> of our software products.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> Products in our Statistics family, like PASW Statistics (formerly
>>>>>> SPSS
>>
>>>>>> Statistics), comprise the most widely used suite of statistical
>>>>>> software
>>
>>>>>> in the world.
>>
>>>>>> Our Modeling family, including our leading data-mining workbench PASW
>>
>>>>>> Modeler (formerly Clementine) is consistently positioned as the
>>>>>> leader
>>
>>> in
>>
>>>>>> the analytics space.
>>
>>>>>> Our Data Collection family (formerly Dimensions), including PASW Data
>>
>>>>>> Collection Author and PASW
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>> --
>>
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>>
>>> http://gjyp.nl/marta/
>>
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