inexpensive 'home' version?

[Peter A. Neenan, Ph.D.]

Are there any inexpensive 'home' or 'basic' versions of SPSS for individuals who are not affiliated with an academic institution?  I know there is a 'student' version--or there used to be--but one had to be enrolled or otherwise affilliated with an academic institution to purchase it.  Any suggestions?

Peter Neenan

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[SR Millis-3]

Try MyStat---the free student version of Systat:

http://www.systat.com/Downloads.aspx

Scott
~~~~~~~~~~~
Scott R Millis, PhD, ABPP, CStat, CSci
Professor & Director of Research
Dept of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation
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Wayne State University School of Medicine
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Detroit, MI 48201
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--- On Fri, 7/30/10, Peter A. Neenan, Ph.D. <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Peter A. Neenan, Ph.D. <[hidden email]>
> Subject: inexpensive 'home' version?
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 12:10 PM
> Are there any inexpensive 'home' or
> 'basic' versions of SPSS for individuals who are not
> affiliated with an academic institution?  I know there
> is a 'student' version--or there used to be--but one had to
> be enrolled or otherwise affilliated with an academic
> institution to purchase it.  Any suggestions?
>
> Peter Neenan
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Are there any inexpensive 'home' or 'basic' versions of SPSS for individuals who are not affiliated with an academic institution?  I know there is a 'student' version--or there used to be--but one had to be enrolled or otherwise affilliated with an academic institution to purchase it.  Any suggestions?

Peter Neenan

'WINKS' (originally KwikStat) by texasoft
http://www.texasoft.com/

Bob Schacht
Northern Arizona University

[Bruce Weaver]

SR Millis-3 wrote

Try MyStat---the free student version of Systat:

http://www.systat.com/Downloads.aspx

Scott
~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi Scott.  I'm not familiar with Systat, and have a couple questions.

1. Does it have something akin to syntax, or is it strictly point & click?

2. Would MyStat be suitable for medical residents who have to do a research project as part of their training?  I.e., does it have most of the tests & procedures they would likely want to use?  The residents here do not have easy access to SPSS (or any other commercial package), and have limited funds to spend on their research projects.  So a half-decent free package that is fairly user-friendly and includes most of the stuff they need would be very welcome.

Thanks,
Bruce

[SR Millis-3]

Bruce,

I believe that MyStat is strictly point-and-click.

Here's a list of what it can do:

http://www.systat.com/Resources/MYSTAT_Features.pdf

I suspect that it will be more than adequate for medical residents in terms of what it can do.  However, as you know, no statistical software can provide statistical education a medical resident or anyone else for that matter.

Scott Millis




--- On Fri, 7/30/10, Bruce Weaver <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Bruce Weaver <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: inexpensive 'home' version?
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 3:13 PM
> SR Millis-3 wrote:
> >
> > Try MyStat---the free student version of Systat:
> >
> > http://www.systat.com/Downloads.aspx
> >
> > Scott
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
>
> Hi Scott.  I'm not familiar with Systat, and have a
> couple questions.
>
> 1. Does it have something akin to syntax, or is it strictly
> point & click?
>
> 2. Would MyStat be suitable for medical residents who have
> to do a research
> project as part of their training?  I.e., does it have
> most of the tests &
> procedures they would likely want to use?  The
> residents here do not have
> easy access to SPSS (or any other commercial package), and
> have limited
> funds to spend on their research projects.  So a
> half-decent free package
> that is fairly user-friendly and includes most of the stuff
> they need would
> be very welcome.
>
> Thanks,
> Bruce
>
>
>
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[Bruce Weaver]

SR Millis-3 wrote

Bruce,

I believe that MyStat is strictly point-and-click.

Here's a list of what it can do:

http://www.systat.com/Resources/MYSTAT_Features.pdf

I suspect that it will be more than adequate for medical residents in terms of what it can do.  However, as you know, no statistical software can provide statistical education a medical resident or anyone else for that matter.

Scott Millis

Thanks Scott.  I suspect it would be OK for some of them, but rather limited for others.  E.g., I see that "Hypothesis Test" and "Pairwise Comparisons" are not available under ANOVA.  Nor is General Linear Model available--so if they wanted to run an ANCOVA type model, they'd have to do it via the Linear Regression procedure, I guess.

[John F Hall]



There used to be a freebie - Pss or something similar.  Much better to get registered with your local unviversity and use theirs.

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[Ruben Geert van den Berg]

Yes, PSPP that is:

http://www.gnu.org/software/pspp/

Enjoy the rest of your weekend!

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There used to be a freebie - Pss or something similar.  Much better to get registered with your local unviversity and use theirs.

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Subject: inexpensive 'home' version?

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Or, alternatively, try R: http://www.r-project.org/

Cheers!!
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Yes, PSPP that is:

http://www.gnu.org/software/pspp/

Enjoy the rest of your weekend!

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There used to be a freebie - Pss or something similar.  Much better to get registered with your local unviversity and use theirs.

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Subject: inexpensive 'home' version?

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Peter Neenan

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[Marta Garcia-Granero]

Hi everybody:

Perhaps SPSS 15 could be saved from extinction and turned into that
cheaper home version some people is asking for.

How I wish it was that way! University of Navarra will abandon SPSS
absolutely (not even one individual license) by June 2011. It looks like
being charged a lot for SPSS 15 (without any technical support) for
years, and the fact that we will have to upgrade (like it or not), even
though PASW/SPSS 18 doesn't run OK on campus computers, was simply too
much. We will switch to Stata.

I have always insisted in this forum that students don't need to use the
newest and brand new version of SPSS. SSPS 15 is reasonably stable, and
powerful enough for basic statistics teaching (descriptive, Student t
test, oneway- twoway- ANOVA, correlation, regression and contingency
tables analyses).

If SPSS keeps on loosing universities, they will finally loose a lot of
graduated people, that will decide to use other statistical software  in
their jobs (since they did not learn how to use SPSS at their universities).

I'm really sad to have to stop using SPSS after 2011. I have been a SPSS
user for 20 years, but I will not be able to afford one individual
license for myself after the University switches to Stata. I really wish
there was a inexpensive home version of SPSS I could by for private use.
SPSS 15 deserves being saved from extinction.

Best regards,
Marta GG

(soon a Stata user)


Peter A. Neenan, Ph.D. wrote:
> Are there any inexpensive 'home' or 'basic' versions of SPSS for individuals who are not affiliated with an academic institution?  I know there is a 'student' version--or there used to be--but one had to be enrolled or otherwise affilliated with an academic institution to purchase it.  Any suggestions?
>
> Peter Neenan
>
>
>


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[Muir Houston-2]

There is PSPP - a free open source alternative to SPSS but not sure how good it is

http://www.gnu.org/software/pspp/faq.html

 

or Open Stats

http://statpages.org/miller/openstat/

 

 

 

Dr Muir Houston

Lecturer

DACE

Faculty of Education

University of Glasgow

0141-330-4699

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From: Peter A. Neenan, Ph.D.
Sent: Fri 30/07/2010 17:10
To: [hidden email]
Subject: inexpensive 'home' version?

Are there any inexpensive 'home' or 'basic' versions of SPSS for individuals who are not affiliated with an academic institution?  I know there is a 'student' version--or there used to be--but one had to be enrolled or otherwise affilliated with an academic institution to purchase it.  Any suggestions?

Peter Neenan

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[SR Millis-3]

Marta,

As a user of both SPSS and Stata, it's my opinion that Stata, without doubt, is vastly superior to SPSS in terms of what it can do, price, listserv community, and technical support from the company. There is simply no comparison--again,my opinion. I don't think that you will regret the switch.  In fact, if you have the opportunity to switch to Stata soooner, do it!

Welcome to Stata!

Scott
~~~~~~~~~~~
Scott R Millis, PhD, ABPP, CStat, CSci
Professor & Director of Research
Dept of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation
Dept of Emergency Medicine
Wayne State University School of Medicine
261 Mack Blvd
Detroit, MI 48201
Email:  [hidden email]
Email:  [hidden email]
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]


--- On Mon, 8/2/10, Marta García-Granero <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Marta García-Granero <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: inexpensive 'home' version? - a suggestion for SPSS-IBM
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 2:53 AM
> Hi everybody:
>
> Perhaps SPSS 15 could be saved from extinction and turned
> into that
> cheaper home version some people is asking for.
>
> How I wish it was that way! University of Navarra will
> abandon SPSS
> absolutely (not even one individual license) by June 2011.
> It looks like
> being charged a lot for SPSS 15 (without any technical
> support) for
> years, and the fact that we will have to upgrade (like it
> or not), even
> though PASW/SPSS 18 doesn't run OK on campus computers, was
> simply too
> much. We will switch to Stata.
>
> I have always insisted in this forum that students don't
> need to use the
> newest and brand new version of SPSS. SSPS 15 is reasonably
> stable, and
> powerful enough for basic statistics teaching (descriptive,
> Student t
> test, oneway- twoway- ANOVA, correlation, regression and
> contingency
> tables analyses).
>
> If SPSS keeps on loosing universities, they will finally
> loose a lot of
> graduated people, that will decide to use other statistical
> software  in
> their jobs (since they did not learn how to use SPSS at
> their universities).
>
> I'm really sad to have to stop using SPSS after 2011. I
> have been a SPSS
> user for 20 years, but I will not be able to afford one
> individual
> license for myself after the University switches to Stata.
> I really wish
> there was a inexpensive home version of SPSS I could by for
> private use.
> SPSS 15 deserves being saved from extinction.
>
> Best regards,
> Marta GG
>
> (soon a Stata user)
>
>
> Peter A. Neenan, Ph.D. wrote:
> > Are there any inexpensive 'home' or 'basic' versions
> of SPSS for individuals who are not affiliated with an
> academic institution?  I know there is a 'student'
> version--or there used to be--but one had to be enrolled or
> otherwise affilliated with an academic institution to
> purchase it.  Any suggestions?
> >
> > Peter Neenan
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> For miscellaneous SPSS related statistical stuff, visit:
> http://gjyp.nl/marta/
>
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[John F Hall]

Scott

 

So everyone says, but we're not all multivariate inferential statisticians. 

 

Has anyone actually compared the two on the non-statistical stuff that's basic to processing data from questionnaire surveys?  That was where SPSS started and where it won hands-down over the competition when it first came out in 1968,  apart from having a manual that non-statisticians and the non-computerate (?) could actually understand and use (with a bit of judicious re-writing needed until Marija Norusis brought her 1987 book out.).

 

Any volunteers for writing parallel Stata examples to set alongside my PASW 18 tutorials for survey research?  (They all work with 15, but 18 is prettier).  When I have a minute, I'll check out PSS to see what it can do.

 

I'm with Marta all the way on 15.  Universities just can't keep up with continuous releases and SPSS seem incapable of understanding the personal and institutional costs of retraining, updates of documentation and courses etc.  I don't think they're interested in academia anyway: they make too much money from the business sector, but Marta's right about them losing the next generation of data analysts.

 

John Hall

 

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Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM

Subject: Re: inexpensive 'home' version? - a suggestion for SPSS-IBM

Marta,

As a user of both SPSS and Stata, it's my opinion that Stata, without doubt, is vastly superior to SPSS in terms of what it can do, price, listserv community, and technical support from the company. There is simply no comparison--again,my opinion. I don't think that you will regret the switch.  In fact, if you have the opportunity to switch to Stata sooner, do it!

Welcome to Stata!

Scott
~~~~~~~~~~~
Scott R Millis, PhD, ABPP, CStat, CSci
Professor & Director of Research
Dept of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation
Dept of Emergency Medicine
Wayne State University School of Medicine
261 Mack Blvd
Detroit, MI 48201
Email:  [hidden email]
Email:  [hidden email]
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]


--- On Mon, 8/2/10, Marta García-Granero <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Marta García-Granero <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: inexpensive 'home' version? - a suggestion for SPSS-IBM
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 2:53 AM
> Hi everybody:
>
> Perhaps SPSS 15 could be saved from extinction and turned
> into that
> cheaper home version some people is asking for.
>
> How I wish it was that way! University of Navarra will
> abandon SPSS
> absolutely (not even one individual license) by June 2011.
> It looks like
> being charged a lot for SPSS 15 (without any technical
> support) for
> years, and the fact that we will have to upgrade (like it
> or not), even
> though PASW/SPSS 18 doesn't run OK on campus computers, was
> simply too
> much. We will switch to Stata.
>
> I have always insisted in this forum that students don't
> need to use the
> newest and brand new version of SPSS. SSPS 15 is reasonably
> stable, and
> powerful enough for basic statistics teaching (descriptive,
> Student t
> test, oneway- twoway- ANOVA, correlation, regression and
> contingency
> tables analyses).
>
> If SPSS keeps on loosing universities, they will finally
> loose a lot of
> graduated people, that will decide to use other statistical
> software  in
> their jobs (since they did not learn how to use SPSS at
> their universities).
>
> I'm really sad to have to stop using SPSS after 2011. I
> have been a SPSS
> user for 20 years, but I will not be able to afford one
> individual
> license for myself after the University switches to Stata.
> I really wish
> there was a inexpensive home version of SPSS I could by for
> private use.
> SPSS 15 deserves being saved from extinction.
>
> Best regards,
> Marta GG
>
> (soon a Stata user)
>
>
> Peter A. Neenan, Ph.D. wrote:
> > Are there any inexpensive 'home' or 'basic' versions
> of SPSS for individuals who are not affiliated with an
> academic institution?  I know there is a 'student'
> version--or there used to be--but one had to be enrolled or
> otherwise affilliated with an academic institution to
> purchase it.  Any suggestions?
> >
> > Peter Neenan
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> For miscellaneous SPSS related statistical stuff, visit:
> http://gjyp.nl/marta/
>
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[Michael Kruger]

Scott,

I have starrted using STATA for my own edification on simple projects.
The problem I face is that so many of the people that I serve in the
school of medicine are used to interpreting SPSS output and I will have
to get them to understand and interpret the STATA output. I agree with
Marta's assessment of IBM's fualty business model. As student's learn a
program, that si what they will use as they move on in their careers.

MK

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[Bruce Weaver]

Albert-Jan Roskam wrote

Or, alternatively, try R: http://www.r-project.org/

Cheers!!

Albert-Jan

For the types of users people have in mind here, R on its own is probably not a realistic option.  But in conjunction with a GUI such as R-Commander, it becomes a bit more feasible.

    http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox/Misc/Rcmdr/

HTH.

[J. R. Carroll]

I often send my students/peers to the following sites to review alternatives when SPSS is out of the question:

>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPSS

This page has down at the very bottom some, but not all, of the links that I am sending out.  There are some alternative packages listed, like R-commander (a GUI for R; as mentioned previously by Bruce), and 'Gretl' (of which, I have yet to use).

>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_statistical_packages

This is a list of stats packages, both freeware/open source and $$. 

>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_statistical_packages

This page has comparisons based on very generic needs of 'typical users' (I found it to be very 'lacking' in its verbosity/elaboration in the areas I teach in, and I suspect most of us here would too).  But!  At the very least these pages provide a jumping-off point for considering what package is best suited for your needs/resources.

I know for personal use, whilst I have access to the latest releases of SPSS/PASW at my university, I am slowly switching over to R (primarily because of it's familiarity with Python - that, and it's open source).

I understand it is 'Wikipedia', and as a rule-of-thumb, for my pedgological purposes, I generally don't reference Wikipedia professionally or in my correspondances, however in the case of 'finding other stats packages' I occasionally make an exception!


Best of luck,

J. R. Carroll
Grad. Student in Pre-Doc Psychology at CSUS
Research Assistant for Just About Everyone.
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Albert-Jan Roskam wrote:
>
> Or, alternatively, try R: http://www.r-project.org/
>
> Cheers!!
>
> Albert-Jan
>

For the types of users people have in mind here, R on its own is probably
not a realistic option.  But in conjunction with a GUI such as R-Commander,
it becomes a bit more feasible.

   http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox/Misc/Rcmdr/

HTH.

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[John F Hall]

If we all club together, could we buy 11 outright?  It does everything I need.  $5 a head should be enough, or maybe $10 for 15?  I've still got a 1980s version of PC+ on an old machine upstairs, will that do?

[SR Millis-3]

Michael,

I've never encountered a problem presenting Stata output to my colleagues.  In fact, I find Stata output to be "cleaner" and more concise than SPSS oputput, which consumes a lot of printer paper.

Scott Millis



--- On Mon, 8/2/10, Michael Kruger <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Michael Kruger <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: inexpensive 'home' version? - a suggestion for SPSS-IBM
> To: "SR Millis" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 10:14 AM
> Scott,
>
> I have starrted using STATA for my own edification on
> simple projects. The problem I face is that so many of the
> people that I serve in the school of medicine are used to
> interpreting SPSS output and I will have to get them to
> understand and interpret the STATA output. I agree with
> Marta's assessment of IBM's fualty business model. As
> student's learn a program, that si what they will use as
> they move on in their careers.
>
> MK
>

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[Marta Garcia-Granero]

John F Hall escribió:
> If we all club together, could we buy 11 outright?  It does everything
> I need.  $5 a head should be enough, or maybe $10 for 15?  I've still
> got a 1980s version of PC+ on an old machine upstairs, will that do?
SPSS 11 would not work for me. My macros use several datasets at the
same time (DATASET DECLARE, DATASET ACTIVATE...). I would need SPSS 15
(because I definitely don't like SPSS 14), although I must confess that
I was happy enough with SPSS 13, the one I used prior to upgrading to
SPSS 15.

C'mon, "us.ibm.com" people, say something... could we have SPSS 15 as a
cheap home version? could we, could we, could we? pleeeease?

Marta GG
(feeling too old to start learning Stata from scratch)

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[Graham Wright-2]

The ubiquity if  SPSS, I mean PASW, sorry I mean SPSS, may be changing
though.....

Also on the subject of $$, but on a much larger scale......

Recently the university I work at had to renegotiate their contract for
the school-wide site license they have had for many years, but
apparently everything is more expensive now after the IBM takeover, so
the school could now only afford a site licensce for staff and faculty,
and only a "limited number" of individual license for students if they
go down to the library and request them, first come first serve (this
apparently includes students who are also working as research
assistants). Now all the student's license codes are expiring and we
have to tell them "tough luck."

So basically we can't use SPPS to teach classes anymore. This basically
puts the psych and soc departments in a tough spot and a lot of them are
talking about switching over to Stata or SAS (which we still have a full
license for). So if other universities are negotiating the same sorts of
contracts then it may be that SPSS is no longer what the majority of
student learn on.

Also, since this renewal renegotiation was so chaotic (we didn't get the
new licensee codes until 24 hours before the 1 month grace period was
going to be up...there was no loss of service but it was cutting it
awfully close), a lot of us are nervous about SPSS still being around in
the future. If they up their rates again, then the school might not be
able to afford it at all, which would mean all of our research work
grinds to a halt. We already use Stata a lot, but this is one more
reason we're thinking about moving over as much as possible. We can't
afford to be held back by this sort of thing.

Don't know if anyone SPSS cares about this issue, but it's something
they might want to think of when designing their new long term business
plan. If schools can't afford to teach the program to students, then the
next generation of researchers are going to grow up learning on
something else.

-Graham

On 8/2/2010 1:36 PM, SR Millis wrote:

> Michael,
>
> I've never encountered a problem presenting Stata output to my colleagues.  In fact, I find Stata output to be "cleaner" and more concise than SPSS oputput, which consumes a lot of printer paper.
>
> Scott Millis
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 8/2/10, Michael Kruger<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>
>
>> From: Michael Kruger<[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: inexpensive 'home' version? - a suggestion for SPSS-IBM
>> To: "SR Millis"<[hidden email]>
>> Cc: [hidden email]
>> Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 10:14 AM
>> Scott,
>>
>> I have starrted using STATA for my own edification on
>> simple projects. The problem I face is that so many of the
>> people that I serve in the school of medicine are used to
>> interpreting SPSS output and I will have to get them to
>> understand and interpret the STATA output. I agree with
>> Marta's assessment of IBM's fualty business model. As
>> student's learn a program, that si what they will use as
>> they move on in their careers.
>>
>> MK
>>
>>
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